How to remove a Clifford Alarm

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richard1983300d - 12 Sep 2005 06:53 GMT

I have a 1983 300d turbo that I purchased used. It has a problem in which
the battery keeps getting drained while sitting. My thoughts were that the
battery was being drained by the Clifford alarm system in the car. When I
purchased the car, I didn't receive any instructions on the alarm nor did
I get remote control for it. So I figured my first step in finding out
why the battery is being drain was to remove the alarm.

Well I removed what I think is all the wires and some kind of Bosch relay
switch. There was a connector with a bunch of wires in it that was
unattached, that seemed it should be attached to some brain unit. But no
brain unit could be found.

Any case I removed all the wires under the dash, the wires attached to the
interior light switch on the door jams and the wires under the hood on the
right side. This includes what I think is the shock sensor. I beleive
the alarm horn was removed before I purchased the car the the wires
leading to it was just cut and left dangling.

Now my problem is that the car will not start! Also the interior lights do
not come on.

What am I missing here? Is there more the Clifford alarm stuff like a
brain somewhere in the car that I have to remove? Or do I have to rewire
the ignition system to get it to start.

Please help!

Thank you in advanced.

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DH - 13 Sep 2005 00:09 GMT

> I have a 1983 300d turbo that I purchased used. It has a problem in which
> the battery keeps getting drained while sitting. My thoughts were that the
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> Thank you in advanced.

Richard,

Sounds like you have to reconnect the Ignition disable circuit that
goes in to the brain. If my memory is correct this is the low tension
wire going from the coil tah is cut. Otherwise, I can take a look to
see how my Clifford's connected to the ignition disable circuit.
I have a 380sec with a Clifford alarm.

Dinesh H

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richard1983300d - 13 Sep 2005 04:25 GMT

Thanks for the response Dinesh, I am not sure if I have a coil because it
is a Diesel motor. But anycase if you willing to take a look at your
Clifford alarm system to see how the ignition disable circuit works and
report back. That would be Great!

Thanks again,

Richard

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DH - 14 Sep 2005 03:55 GMT

> Thanks for the response Dinesh, I am not sure if I have a coil because it
> is a Diesel motor. But anycase if you willing to take a look at your
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> Richard

Sorry my bad for not looking closely at the "d" in 300d. According to
the instructions on my alarm, the wire going from the ignition switch
to the starter relay is cut and attached to the Green and Black wires
from the alarm brain. My alarm is a Clifford Metrix 2 which was made
after DEI bought Clifford. If you have an original Clifford, the
clolour coding may be different.
If your starter doesn't turn, this is your answer.

Dinesh

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Scott Gardner - 14 Sep 2005 05:55 GMT

>I have a 1983 300d turbo that I purchased used. It has a problem in which
>the battery keeps getting drained while sitting. My thoughts were that the
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>Thank you in advanced.

You're going to have to remove the Clifford starter-wire interrupt and
reconnect the cut wires back together.

There are two ways to wire an alarm starter interrupt - "fail-safe"
and "fail-secure". With a "fail-safe" method, if the alarm brain is
disconnected or damaged, the starter will operate normally and start
the car. With a "fail-secure" system, if the alarm is removed or
damaged, the starter won't operate. As you've discovered, most of the
older Clifford units were of the "fail-secure" variety.

As a quick check, examine the Bosch relay you mentioned. There should
be terminals marked "87" and "87a". Only one of those two terminals
should have a wire connected to it. Move the wire from one terminal
to the other (either from 87 to 87a, or vice-versa). If the alarm
starter-interrupt circuit is the only thing that's keeping your car
from starting, that should solve the problem.

If that does allow your car to start, take the wire you just moved,
and the wire going into terminal "30" of the relay, and connect them
together permanently. You can then remove the relay and all of the
other wires that are connected to it.

If you still haven't found the alarm brain, look at terminals 85 and
86 of the relay. One will go to either power or ground, and the other
will lead to the alarm brain.

Hope this helps,

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Scott Gardner

"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Pablo Picasso)

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richard1983300d - 14 Sep 2005 07:06 GMT

Thanks Scott,

I am examining the wire loom that I removed and the Bosch relay. You are
correct in the terminal numbering. I have wires that are connected to
terminals 30, 85, 86 amd 87a. 87 is left unattached. Now if I follow 85
and 86 on the wire loom, it leads me to the white connector that was not
attached to anything as I mentioned earlier.

So what you are saying is that I should reinstall the wire loom, see if
the car starts. Switch out "87" and "87a" terminals and try to start the
car again? And then attach terminal "30" to the wires in "87". Right?

OK I will try it.

Incidently, When I first removed the wire loom, I think I've already tried
to attach the wires from "87" (white/green stripe wire) and "30" (red/black
striped wire) together and but still it did not start. (I attached them
under the hood around the passanger firewall near a terminal block. The
white/green striped wire was attached to a purple wire going to the
firewall and the red/black striped wire was attached to a black wire
connected to the terminal block on the inner part of the right fender)

What is your thoughts on that?

Thanks again,

Richard

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richard1983300d - 17 Sep 2005 09:13 GMT

I got the car started! Now I have to try to get the interior dome light to
work again! But I can drive the beast again!

Thank you Dinesh and Scott for your info! It's been very helpful!

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