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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2005

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My 420 SEL Failed VA Emissions - Help Please

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T.C. Mann - 13 Sep 2005 18:41 GMT
My 1986 420SEL with 224,762 miles has failed VA emissions. Here are the
test results:

15MPH Test
Test Limit Reading Result
HC ppm 65 149 Fail
CO% 0.26 0.23 Pass
NO ppm 857 375 Pass
RPM 1304 Valid
Dilution 14.6 Valid

25MPH Test
Test Limit Reading Result
HC ppm 119 229 Fail
CO% 0.38 0.35 Pass
NO ppm 833 623 Pass
RPM 1240 Valid
Dilution 14.6 Valid

Visble Smoke Inspection Pass

My question is: What would cause high HC readings and what are some
things I should be checking for?
Thank you
T.C.
T.G. Lambach - 13 Sep 2005 19:27 GMT
Worn spark plugs, old ignition wires (cause weak spark) can cause high
HC reading. Also retarded ignition timing.

When was it last tuned up?
trader4@optonline.net - 14 Sep 2005 01:49 GMT
How about a catalytic converter that is shot, or excessive oil slipping
past the rings/valve guides?
T.G. Lambach - 14 Sep 2005 04:09 GMT
That's also a possibility, but no oil consumption was mentioned.
T.C. Mann - 14 Sep 2005 15:19 GMT
Thanks for the reply.  That's exactly what the inspection tech said.  I
replaced the plugs, wires, cap, & rotor exactly 5 years ago (about
60,000 miles) and haven't touched them since since the car has been
driving fine.  I will go ahead and change all these out.
Tiger - 14 Sep 2005 20:11 GMT
I would just change the plugs and O2 sensor... cap and rotor are good
forever... well pretty much that long.
Scott Gardner - 14 Sep 2005 05:45 GMT
>My 1986 420SEL with 224,762 miles has failed VA emissions. Here are the
>test results:
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>Thank you
>T.C.

Where in Virginia are you having the car inspected that they're doing
tailpipe tests?  I've lived in Norfolk for eight years, and have never
had to have any of my bikes or cars emissions-tested as part of a
state inspection (model years vary from 1972 to 2000).

Since your car has probably been flagged as an "inspection failure",
you'll have to get the emissions back within acceptable limits before
you can get an inspection sticker this year, but I would suggest that
for future inspections, you take a road trip to a part of the state
that doesn't do tailpipe tests.

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Martin Joseph - 14 Sep 2005 07:22 GMT
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> Where in Virginia are you having the car inspected that they're doing
> tailpipe tests?  I've lived in Norfolk for eight years, and have never
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> for future inspections, you take a road trip to a part of the state
> that doesn't do tailpipe tests.

Uh,  Normally it doesn't work that way.  If you live in the more
populace area, you need to have you vehicle tested.  Some people will
dodge this by having the car registered at a more rural address...

I have been told that in the event the HC emissions are coming from oil
leaking in the cylinders, that Mobil 1 will pass the emissions test for
you.  This is strictly hearsay, so don't blame me if it doesn't help...

Marty

PS I agree with TG that a tune up is the proper place to start.
Scott Gardner - 14 Sep 2005 18:10 GMT
>Uh,  Normally it doesn't work that way.  If you live in the more
>populace area, you need to have you vehicle tested.  Some people will
>dodge this by having the car registered at a more rural address...

I found out the emissions testingin Virginia isn't based on population
(or else the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area would have it for certain).
Rather, it's just five counties and five cities in Northern Virginia
that have the emissions testing.  It's not part of the regular state
inspection, and it's tied into the DMV database so that you can't
register the car until the emissions test has been passed.

If your vehicle fails the initial test and the re-test, you can get a
waiver, but only if you can show you've spent at least $620 trying to
fix the problem.  At least you'll only have to deal with it until the
car is 25 years old.

So, it looks like the best thing would be a full tune-up prior to the
re-test.  Make sure the engine is up to full operating temperature
before you have the test done.  Also, change the oil immediately
before the test to minimize the amount of unburned hydrocarbons
present in any oil that seeps past the rings into the exhaust.

Best of luck,
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