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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / October 2005

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1958 M. Benz 190SL and octane levels

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KOS - 05 Oct 2005 20:49 GMT
Hi, Ive got a 1958 M. Benz 190 SL.... We have taken out the older
carburators and put new webber carbs in the vehicle. The car was filled
with 93 octane but it does not have much power. Does this car need
higher octane?? thanks
K
T.G. Lambach - 05 Oct 2005 21:42 GMT
Octane isn't power, its ignition at a higher temperature to prevent
preignition in a high compression ratio engine.

You don't say that the engine runs poorly - coughing and sputtering -
only that it lacks (acceleration) power.

A carburetor works on the Bernoulli principle - that rushing air will
draw a liquid into its stream. To that, an acceleration pump is added to
kick extra fuel for acceleration, otherwise the air / fuel ratio would
become too lean as the throttle is opened. The engine will cough and
sputter if the air / fuel mixture is too lean (fuel starvation) which
you don't cite.

These new carbs - do they have similar size venturis as the old ones?

I suggest you first check that they're the correct size for the engine.

Or, if the power reduction is not large, it could be that the old carbs
were set too rich and, though nice to drive, were gross HC polluters
that no longer could pass an emissions test. If that's why they were
replaced then that's the answer to your post.
This engine will run well with the proper air / fuel ratio but do so
without the robust torque that you've become used to.
cp - 06 Oct 2005 03:41 GMT
> Hi, Ive got a 1958 M. Benz 190 SL.... We have taken out the older
> carburators and put new webber carbs in the vehicle. The car was filled
> with 93 octane but it does not have much power. Does this car need
> higher octane?? thanks

Are you in the Vancouver BC or northern Washington area? I know a guy who calibrates carburettors, his 1958 220 and 1967 200 run
like new, people swear by this guy. If interested then reply.

cp
Martin Joseph - 06 Oct 2005 20:04 GMT
> Hi, Ive got a 1958 M. Benz 190 SL.... We have taken out the older
> carburators and put new webber carbs in the vehicle. The car was filled
> with 93 octane but it does not have much power. Does this car need
> higher octane?? thanks

No.
KOS - 07 Oct 2005 22:55 GMT
no, im not located there- i guess recallibrating the carbs is the same
thing as 'jetting' them?- a
Martin Joseph - 08 Oct 2005 07:01 GMT
> no, im not located there- i guess recallibrating the carbs is the same
> thing as 'jetting' them?- a

Not necessarily.  Carburetor adjustment is a black art.  The technician
need to be familiar with the particulars of the exact carb he is
setting up to properly adjust things like choke setting and other
linkage adjustment.

Sometimes bending the linkages is the adjustment mechanism.

Not a job for someone without expertise.

Look for an older guy  :~)

Marty
cp - 09 Oct 2005 00:32 GMT
> Sometimes bending the linkages is the adjustment mechanism.
>
> Not a job for someone without expertise.
>
> Look for an older guy  :~)

Yeh, if in the northwest, I know of a real expert, 30 years experience (not too old), when the "pro" shops fail people come to him,
he makes cars out of junkyards run like new, I seen it done. If you're in the area reply to cplas __AT__ telus __DOT__ net

cp
 
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