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NEW S : "the most refined, best-handling limousine in the world"

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greek_philosophizer - 12 Oct 2005 15:55 GMT
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Mercedes-Benz thinks its new S-class should be treated not just with
respect, but with deference. Andrew English tests an imposing box of
tricks

"John will pick you up off the Detroit flight in the S-class. You're
lunching with the Guatemalans in Milan and dining with the Americans in
St Moritz. John will drive so you can re-jig the interim financing
forecasts en route..."
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Nice and big: the forthcoming S-class is better-looking than the
current model, but very similar to drive

That's the sort of language you expect from Mercedes-Benz S-class
users, though lately their talk has been more of poor quality,
executive sackings and, most recently, rumoured job losses at what was
once described as a Stuttgart bank that also makes cars and trucks.

The S-class is nevertheless inviolate in the minds of its maker. Since
the original launch in 1972, it has been the pinnacle of the
three-pointed star's range. Work began on this new model five years
ago, with early designs and discussions about the technology to be
deployed in what Mercedes likes us to call the best car in the world.

I flew in from Detroit not to meet Guatemalans, but to take the new
S-class on a 250-mile return journey from Milan to St Moritz. Sometimes
I like to imagine I'm an international financier, although most of the
time I prefer to think I've gained the power of flight and am Brad
Pitt, which is much more fun. Financiers don't chase Angelina Jolie
through the clouds, they fly the Atlantic and feel jet-lagged and
grumpy, just like I did.

After a period in the 1990s when the flagship S-class, the W140, looked
like a packing case, the outgoing W220 model (designed by Briton Steve
Mattin) was a great beauty. The new W221 isn't, but then it's no
packing case either.

The bonnet is beaky to pass pedestrian-impact regulations, the
aggressive wheel arches look as though they have been chiselled from a
Mazda RX-8 and the rear roofline is reminiscent of a Rover 75. The
imposing shape grows on you, however, and at least this is one new car
that looks just right in metallic silver.

It was designed by Hans-Dieter Futschik, who had a hand in the previous
model as well. He wasn't at the launch, but the head of passenger-car
strategic project management, Dr Hermann-Joseph Storp, explained the
purpose of S-class styling - something I have long suspected.

Interior

"Everyone must know it is an S-class," he said. "Other cars must get
out of the way when they see it coming, it's all about strength and
status." As my friend Lee remarked: "Strange they don't call it the
Panzer, really."

Inside, the new Merc is a vast improvement in appearance, but a
retrograde step in ease of use. Instead of covering the facia in
buttons, Mercedes has adopted a beautiful, sweeping dashboard, with
tasteful wooden inserts, concealed lighting and a curved switch panel
that looks like a Wurlitzer cinema organ.

On the downside, it has adopted the son of BMW's iDrive, a
push-and-pull rotary control to adjust the fine settings for audio,
navigation, heating and so on. The knurled-aluminium control wheel has
all the quality of an apprentice's first exercise on the lathe and,
while many functions can be reached a damn sight quicker than with the
dreadful iDrive, the Merc system is still fiendishly tricky.

If I started listing the S-class's technical innovations, you would
wave goodbye to the rest of the Motoring section, Weekend, Sport and
most of Gardening as well. Project manager Frank Steinacher is most
proud of the intelligent cruise control that links with the Brake and
Park Assist systems and enables the S-class to slow down on its own to
avoid collisions and to maintain its following distance.

Most car makers are toying with this sort of technology, as well as
lane-guidance systems. Apart from the safety benefits, such programs
also have congestion-reducing potential. One study suggests that just
25 per cent of cars fitted with intelligent speed control could double
traffic flow on busy roads.

Mercedes-Benz has addressed such things with a welcome return to its
traditional technical zeal and engineering overkill. The £1,840
optional Distronic Plus uses long-range radar to keep its distance.
Brake Assist uses a second, short-wave radar to detect impending
impacts, warning the driver and (when encouraged) slamming on the
anchors and preparing for a crash.

The other bit of technology worth a mention is the infra-red,
night-vision system (a £1,330 option), which, like the radar-based
cruise control, required a five-year argument with the EU before
Mercedes was given permission to use the appropriate wavebands.

Unlike the Cadillac night-vision system, this uses a nearer-to-visible
infrared frequency, with IR lamps illuminating the road for 300 yards,
and a camera behind the rear-view mirror displaying the picture on a
screen in the instrument binnacle.

While there are issues about when and how much drivers will be looking
at the display, we tried the system out with yours truly walking in a
dark suit on a dark road and the S-class coming from behind with dipped
headlamps. The screen showed me about 75 yards before I could be seen
with the naked eye.

We can't leave the technical stuff without mentioning the Harman Kardon
stereo system (£985), which is mind-blowingly good. The seats are
great, too. They pulsate, pummel, cool and vibrate the driver and
(optionally) passengers. Having said that, their instructions ("Firm,
Slow and Gentle, Slow and Vigorous, Fast and Gentle, or Fast and
Vigorous") seem to belong in a different class of establishment
altogether.

Which leaves me hardly any room to describe what the new S-class is
like to drive. Perhaps just as well, because it's very similar to its
predecessor: big, heavy and indecently wieldy. The big, twin-turbo V12
is much more of a hot rod than the old six-litre, naturally aspirated
V12 ever was, but with 517bhp it's much, much faster.

The engine moans and growls from under the bonnet in a way the old one
never would. The V12 is only available with the long wheelbase and it
has a five-speed transmission, although there's so much torque that it
scarcely needs so many gears.

The 272bhp 3.5-litre V6 is perhaps not the car you'd choose to tackle
an Alpine pass in, but it's fast enough to get the chairman to the
City. We will soon get a three-litre V6 turbodiesel, which will be
cheaper to run, and an AMG performance version, which won't.

The seven-speed automatic is smooth, positive and seldom dithers. The
brakes are massively powerful and on the whole the handling is neutral,
but push too hard into a tight corner and the S-class drives straight
on through anything - the S600 weighs 2.2 tonnes.

The air suspension has most of the answers when it comes to keeping
passengers asleep in the back, but it is still troubled by some
mid-corner bumps, which cause the front wheels to flap about
disconcertingly.

Speaking as one who did grab 40 winks, I should say that the long
wheelbase is the only version to have. The short models might handle a
bit better, but the rear passenger space is only just generous enough
to unfurl a copy of The Daily Telegraph and keep your knees out of the
driver's back.

That's honestly all you really need to know about this car. You could
summarise the new Mercedes-Benz S-class just as Peter Dron did when the
W140 model was introduced at Turin Airport in 1991. In response to
Jeremy Clarkson's inquiry, he said: "It's big and nice, or if you want
to put it another way, Jeremy, it's nice and big."

Mercedes-Benz S-class

Price/availability: from £54,975 for the standard wheelbase S320
turbodiesel, which will occupy some 66 per cent of UK sales, to
£98,000 for the long-wheelbase-only S600. On sale in March 2006 with
AMG models arriving in the summer.

Engines/transmissions: V12 5,514cc, twin-turbocharged petrol, SOHC with
three valves per cylinder; 510bhp at 5,000rpm, 612lb ft of torque at
1,900rpm. V8: 5,461cc, petrol, DOHC with four valves per cylinder,
383bhp at 6,500rpm, 391lb ft at 2,800rpm. V6: 3,498cc, petrol, DOHC
with four valves per cylinder, 268bhp at 6,000rpm, 258lb ft at
2,400rpm. V6 turbodiesel: 2,987cc turbodiesel, DOHC with four valves
per cylinder, 232bhp at 3,800rpm, 398lb ft at 1,600rpm. Seven-speed
automatic transmission (five-speed on S600 models) with steering-wheel
gear hold-down buttons. Rear-wheel drive.

Performance: V12 top speed limited to 155mph, 0-62mph 4.6sec, EU Urban
fuel consumption N/A (Combined, 19.8mpg), CO2 emissions N/A. V8:
155mph, 5.4sec, EU Urban fuel consumption 16.2mpg (Combined, 23.7mpg),
203g/km. N/A. V6: 155mph, 7.3sec, EU Urban fuel consumption 19.5mpg
(Combined, 27.9mpg), 242g/km. V6 turbodiesel: 155mph, 7.5sec, EU Urban
fuel consumption N/A (Combined 34.4mpg), CO2 N/A.

We like: If this isn't the most refined, best-handling limousine in the
world, we'd like to know what is - stop whimpering at the back, Audi
and BMW. The ride is sublime, the interior gorgeous, you can sleep in
it and if you are having popularity problems, those nice people at
Mercedes-Benz will make you a bulletproof one.

We don't like: It's a big, heavy car and doesn't like being hustled
down tight roads, the air suspension still worries over mid-corner
bumps and the S-class still has associations with fat plutocrats and
banana-republic dictators.

Alternatives: Audi A8 6.0 quattro £73,580. Bentley Flying Spur
£115,000. BMW 760i £80,800. Lexus LS £57,175. Volkswagen Phaeton 6.0
W12 £68,960.

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Josh - 12 Oct 2005 17:52 GMT
McBrue, do you have one on order yet?
Martin Joseph - 12 Oct 2005 19:28 GMT
> McBrue, do you have one on order yet?
Mcbrue doesn't like it.  Check the archives.

Still he hasn't seen it in person yet either.

Marty
zenit - 13 Oct 2005 00:41 GMT
On 12 Oct 2005 07:55:53 -0700,
"greek_philosophizer" <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com>
had to open a new box of zerones to say:

>http://motoring.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/10/08/mfs
clas08.xml

>The S-class is nevertheless inviolate in the minds of its maker. Since
>the original launch in 1972, it has been the pinnacle of the
>three-pointed star's range.

1972...? Then what the hell was I driving back in 1968...?

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zenit
mcbrue - 13 Oct 2005 03:53 GMT
I have not seen it yet. It sounds like it might be big again, with full
size seats. But it seems to have an awfull lot of automatic junk on it
that could interfere with my driving! Of course them boyz in tha bak
seat shore culd use them ole nite vision thingy fer huntin deer at
nite! Not sure how sneaky it will be in tha woods, but we kin try it!
One big question is if there will be an engine between the 5.3 L V8 and
the little mini V6. I don't really like the idea of too big an 8 with
gas shortages coming ... On the other hand, perhaps the Diesel might be
good, esp if we can use all the old stale deep fat frying oil for the
kar fuel ! And does anybody know what it will cost in real money, not
just those funny heavy pieces of money them English uses?

mcbrue eagerlywaitingly under the bridge in the trailer down by the
river

96 S420
cp - 13 Oct 2005 04:41 GMT
ha! you're always refreshing!

cp

>I have not seen it yet. It sounds like it might be big again, with full
> size seats. But it seems to have an awfull lot of automatic junk on it
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> 96 S420
greek_philosophizer - 13 Oct 2005 12:46 GMT
> I have not seen it yet. It sounds like it might be big again, with full
> size seats. But it seems to have an awfull lot of automatic junk on it
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>
> 96 S420

I am glad Josh asked what I was wondering!

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Josh - 13 Oct 2005 21:55 GMT
McBrue wrote:

>And does anybody know what it will cost in real money, not
> just those funny heavy pieces of money them English uses?

I poked around on the mbusa web site - looks like you can start off at a
base of around $80K (the LWB is quite a bit more).  Perhaps you have some
Confederate War Bonds siting around that you can use?

:-)
mcbrue - 14 Oct 2005 04:54 GMT
hmm ... pokin thru ole hole in tha floor ta see bout them war bonds!
Sure do hope them dad ratted yankee carpet baggers will cash them War
of Northern Agression Bonds.  I do wonder if they will have the trunk
and door closers with that nice little trunk handle that comes out to
close it with. And is it possible that at last there will be a standard
CD player? Esp if they are trying to sell a short version for full
price, they are likely to loose a lot of us disgruntled customers to
the Kudzu Kar which does not break down every time it goes by a dealer.
I know that down ta tha petunia klub here, them ole boyz duzn't drive
many MBs, but the ole parkin lot is raight full of Rexus Karz wif kudzu
on em. Sum of em even has them new kinda engines whut runs on
elektricity an gas!

mcbrue cashingbondsly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river

96 S420
Dori A Schmetterling - 13 Oct 2005 21:07 GMT
Maybe by the time I get fed up with my CLK the used-car price will be
'reasonable'.  It'll be some time, but that's ok, as I am not anywhere near
cabrio-fatigue yet.

DAS
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http://motoring.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/10/08/mfs
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Mercedes-Benz thinks its new S-class should be treated not just with
respect, but with deference. Andrew English tests an imposing box of
tricks

[...]
Price/availability: from £54,975 for the standard wheelbase S320
turbodiesel, which will occupy some 66 per cent of UK sales, to
£98,000 for the long-wheelbase-only S600. On sale in March 2006 with
AMG models arriving in the summer.
[...]
Hunt - 16 Oct 2005 04:22 GMT
>http://motoring.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=3D/motoring/2005/10=
>/08/mfsclas08.xml

[SNIP]
>Nice and big: the forthcoming S-class is better-looking than the
>current model, but very similar to drive
[SNIP interesting info - thanks]

The look of the "new" S is a bit of a sore spot with some - me in particular.
Though it took a while for the current S to grow on me (as I rather liked the
earlier boxier design), the "spy photos" that I saw of the '07 US S were not
something that I wanted. I urged my wife to go with the '06 S, and not wait
for the new one. From what I saw, it looked too much like some of the Maybach
designs, and less like a mainstream MB. This might be considered a + in some
circles, but I was not in them.

Regardless of MY sense of aesthetic, thanks for the info.

Hunt
Dori A Schmetterling - 16 Oct 2005 14:25 GMT
Maybe it looks too much like a BMW 7?

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22750-1825977,00.html

     Driving

                               Times Online October 16, 2005

                             Is this the future: cars made to look
identical by safety rules?

                               Mercedes has been accused of copying BMW's
7-series with its new S-class, pictured here

                             Ever noticed it's getting harder to tell cars
apart? You're not alone. Britain's top car designer has warned they'll soon
be indistinguishable. It's not that designers lack imagination but safety
and environmental rules have imposed a straitjacket which is forcing designs
to converge.
                             Ian Callum, the man behind the Aston Martin
DB7, Volvo C70, Ford Puma and now the Jaguar XK coupé, said the creative
process was being swamped.

                             Legislation in Europe and the United States
places limits on the dimensions of cars, adding height and bulk to protect
occupants and dictating the position of headlamps, wheelarches, bumpers and
the angle of windscreens.

                             Gone are the days when designers could let
their imaginations flow from pen to paper. The giant tailfins that define
American classics of the 1960s and 1970s would never make it past the
drawing board today - far too sharp - and the Rolls-Royce flying lady is now
viewed as a potential death trap.

                             It took three weeks to design the first Jaguar
XK in 1948. The latest XK took three years. Even then, some critics
complained that it looked too much like the Aston Martin V8 Vantage.
Callum's
reaction is that designing a 21st-century car can sometimes seem like little
more than "joining the dots" between one set of legal requirements and
another.

                             "In many ways it's naive to say the profile of
the XK is similar to an Aston Martin coupé," he says. "If you take where the
bonnet needs to be in terms of safety regulations, where the windscreen
needs to be to get the right sight lines, where the roof line and tail need
to be for package requirements, where the rear roof line has to be for
aerodynamic reasons, you end up with pretty much the same silhouette.
Because both cars have the same set of rules to adhere to."

                             And it's not just the Aston and the Jag that
are similar. Callum says there is only a half millimetre difference in
height between the line of the header (which joins the two A-pillars
alongside the windscreen at the front of the car) in the new Mercedes SL and
the XK.

                             "The rules are particularly restrictive for a
sports car," he says. "Because with a sports car you are attempting to
shrink wrap the body as tightly as possible over its requirements - be they
mechanical, safety, whatever."

                             But the problem is not confined to coupés. The
recently launched Mercedes S-class could be a twin to BMW's 7-series.
Germany's Bild newspaper accused Mercedes of copying its Munich-based rival
and published pictures of the two cars' interiors, tails and side profiles,
asking readers to spot the difference.

                             "It's no longer the case that you start out
with a pencil and a blank piece of paper," says Nigel Wonnacott of the
Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. "You start with the regulations,
which govern everything from the position of the fuel tank to the shape of
the wings. It's all laudable legislation, but it places limits on how
different cars can look.

                             "Basically cars are having to become smoother
and wider as they are required to absorb more of the impact in a crash. The
(crash) tests have become increasingly demanding and none of the cars which
passed back in 1986 would make it onto the road today."

                             The year 1986 marked the beginning of a new
era of increasingly regulated car design, with the first Europe-wide
construction and use regulations.

                             They governed, among other things, the
position and strength of seatbelt anchorages and the inclusion of head
restraints, and put an end to sharp protrusions on the bonnet.

                             Mandatory crash tests were introduced in 1998
and include a head-on impact at 35mph and a side-on impact at 30mph.
Administered in the UK by the Vehicle Certification Agency and known as
"type approval" tests they place strict limits on how far the front and side
panels can collapse or deform in a collision.

                             New pedestrian protection legislation is
adding more restrictions, requiring manufacturers to introduce a larger gap
between the bonnet and the engine or use some form of deployable bonnet - as
in the XK - that pops up to provide a cushion above the hard engine block.

                             For the United States a whole new set of
safety criteria must be adhered to. Callum is particularly frustrated by US
laws to protect unbelted occupants, which he says forced him to raise the
XK's
header by about 1in more than he had intended.

                             Then there are the independent Euro NCAP
tests, which have become increasingly important to manufacturers as many
customers now expect at least a three star rating (out of a maximum of
five). The Motor Insurance Repair Research Centre, based in Thatcham,
Berkshire, which represents insurers and carries out assessments on behalf
of Euro NCAP, is developing tests that could be used to judge the impact of
crashes between different types of vehicles. Recent statistics revealed a
growing number of fatalities as a result of collisions between small cars
and 4x4s.

                             Dale Harlow is head of automotive design at
the Royal College of Art, which includes Callum among its alumni. He says it
is up to designers to respond to the challenges and come up with innovative
designs. "When Chuck Jordan (former chief designer at General Motors)
started putting bumpers on cars in the 1960s and 1970s many people thought
there would never be another good-looking car again," he says.

                             Callum agrees and points to the increasing
importance placed on details such as grilles and lights to add distinctive
character. "Of course you get frustrated," he says. "But you just have to
accept the restrictions. Design can be an anguish as you try to create
something artistic in a real world which is very unforgiving."
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> The look of the "new" S is a bit of a sore spot with some - me in
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