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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / October 2005

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Kompressor, Super or TurboCharger?

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Guenter Scholz - 14 Oct 2005 01:47 GMT
anyone know?
anyone feelo one way or the other about the above variants of shoving air
into the cylinders?

cheers, guenter
Martin Joseph - 14 Oct 2005 07:52 GMT
> anyone know?
> anyone feelo one way or the other about the above variants of shoving air
> into the cylinders?

If you are asking what a Konpressor is, it's a supercharger.

Using both methods is best. Super charging works better at low RPM.

Marty
Guenter Scholz - 14 Oct 2005 13:35 GMT
>If you are asking what a Konpressor is, it's a supercharger.
>
>Using both methods is best. Super charging works better at low RPM.

    many thanks, local salesman didn't seem to be quite sure.  VW/Audi
seem to be using the turbocharger and the 'lag' is annoying making me think
that the engine needs a tune up.  I've never heard of a car using both, do
any come to mind?

cheers, guenter
Scott Gardner - 14 Oct 2005 17:27 GMT
>>If you are asking what a Konpressor is, it's a supercharger.
>>
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>
>cheers, guenter

I can't think of any mass-production cars that use both a turbocharger
and a supercharger.

Turbochargers have the capability to generate a lot more boost and
ultimately make more power than superchargers.  It's also a lot easier
to fit an intercooler to a turbocharger or a centrifugal supercharger.

The drawback to turbos is that they take a moment to "spool up" when
you press the throttle, and if the engine doesn't have enough torque
on its own before the turbocharger spools up, you can get a pretty
noticeable lag.

If I were building a performance engine from the ground up, I'd make
it large enough that it had enough torque even without forced
induction, and then I'd also put a turbocharger on it for more power.

For smaller production engines, superchargers are nice because they
generate boost constantly, with no "lag" when you apply the throttle.

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Kevin Rhodes - 14 Oct 2005 18:15 GMT
>I can't think of any mass-production cars that use both a turbocharger
>and a supercharger.

I can think of two straight off - one version of the Lancia Delta Integrale,
and a current production VW 1.4l, but I can't remember what they call it.
Makes something like 175 hp from 1.4l with quite good fuel mileage, but the
potential repair costs boggle the mind!

Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook ME
Guenter Scholz - 14 Oct 2005 18:58 GMT
Kevin, you are absolutely correct ... was in germany over summer and
remember reading about the new Golf 'TSI' that uses a 1.4 l engine and has
twin chargers - turbo and super - along with 'direct injection (however that
is different from the fuel injection already in place) .... looks very
interesting indeed!

cheers

>>I can't think of any mass-production cars that use both a turbocharger
>>and a supercharger.
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>Kevin Rhodes
>Westbrook ME
Harri Markkula - 15 Oct 2005 12:00 GMT
> Kevin, you are absolutely correct ... was in germany over summer and
> remember reading about the new Golf 'TSI' that uses a 1.4 l engine
> and has twin chargers - turbo and super - along with 'direct
> injection (however that is different from the fuel injection already
> in place)

VW FSI engine is a direct injection petrol engine and has been sold over
several years.

So, direct injection is not a new thing here.

Reg:    Harri
 
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