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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / November 2005CDi engine failures
Well the low mileage vito 110hp engine, essentially the same as fitted to the C Class has failed catastrophically. The dealer blames water ingress but the driver, who is a skilled mechanic, is absolutely sure it has not been drowned. The symptoms are a misfire and poor starting. It turns out that valves and conrods are bent. I believe it is due to sticking valves, possibly due to nasty things being put in the inlet air by the exhaust gas recirculation. I'm not going to argue the point with the dealer because water ingress is covered by insurance while mechanical failure is not. Has anyone any experience of CDi's failing prematurely? I would think someone must have because this dealer has three such engines being repaired as I speak. Huw Why would anybody name a vehicle "Vito"? Sprinter makes sense because Sprinting is a good thing. But Vito means nothing.... > Why would anybody name a vehicle > "Vito"? Sprinter makes sense because Sprinting is a good thing. > But Vito means nothing.... It means a medium Mercedes van with a fooked engine to me. I wish it didn't. Huw > Why would anybody name a vehicle > "Vito"? Sprinter makes sense because Sprinting is a good thing. > But Vito means nothing.... Ssssssh... Don't tell anyone that Vito is short for Vitoria - the factory for Vito and V-class is located there (Spain). Very silently leaving greets Juergen ;-) Hi Juergen! That is funny. . > That is funny. Glad you liked it! And it's not the smallest factory, see e.g. <http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-8792-1-36852-1-0-0-0-0-0-91-7155-0-0 -0-0-0-0-0,00.html> Yes, a shame it's outdated info - but I guess it's too expensive for a small company like DaimlerChrysler to keep such info up-to-date... ==:-( And btw: Do MB truck names like _Actros_, _Atego_, Axor_ or _Econic_ have any meaning? Or are they just artifical names? Can anyone say anything about that? Frank maybe? Juergen > Ssssssh... Don't tell anyone that Vito is short > for Vitoria - the factory for Vito and V-class > is located there (Spain). errr the Vito is not an updated version of the MB100, no? cp If this is a 111CDi then it must be less than 3 years old and covered by warranty, so whats the issue? All I can see is MB are trying to blame it on water ingress as oppossed to mechanical failure so you need to claim off insurance and they don't get a warranty claim. On a related point I have a Vito 115cdi which just went in for it's first 12 month service at 9000 miles. It gets very light use, as you can see from the mileage, however the entire front suspension has to come out as it's failing completely, there were 15 fault codes on the computer when they plugged it in, it occassionally won't lock, it occassionally won't open and ocassionally I simply can't remove the key from the ignition. The computer bit that operates the dashboard is screwed and needs replacing. The rear door warning alarm keeps coming on and they can't stop it. This isn't quite what I expected when I invested in a new vehicle instead of losing time having to keep repairing an old second hand vehicle that would cost me far less money. Taken it into a the main dealer where I bought it and they don't have courtesy vehicles, so I either need to take time off or hire something. We bought my wife a new Jaguar this year, they are quite the most helpful dealer I've come across, they pick it up, leave a courtesy vehicle for you and return it when it suits you, if Jaguar made vans, this German junk would be going back right now. Alan M > If this is a 111CDi then it must be less than 3 years old and covered by > warranty, so whats the issue? The issue is that they say it failed because of drowning which is not covered by warranty and which we know is not true. They do not wish to admit liability and we wish the van back on the road as soon as possible so will not contest them because our insurance will pay. Nevertheless the damn engine has failed at a low mileage for some reason and we know that several others have gone the same way. Since the design is common to both five and six cylinder engines up to very recently it is rather worrying. It is also worrying for the long term use of this particular vehicle if this happens again. > All I can see is MB are trying to blame it on water ingress as oppossed to > mechanical failure so you need to claim off insurance and they don't get a > warranty claim. See above. > On a related point I have a Vito 115cdi which just went in for it's first > 12 month service at 9000 miles. It gets very light use, as you can see > from the mileage, however the entire front suspension has to come out as > it's failing completely, there were 15 fault codes on the computer when > they plugged it in, it occassionally won't lock, it occassionally won't > open and ocassionally I simply can't remove the key from the ignition. We run various vans and the Mercedes is the least reliable. Having said that, this is the first major fault and if it were a one-off then fine, but it appears not to be. > The computer bit that operates the dashboard is screwed and needs > replacing. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Alan M I had good experience of Jaguar as well. On the van front we have two Renault vans [which are also sold as Vauxhall and Nissan] of 100hp and these seem to be great so far, but they have been driven no more than 20,000 miles each yet. There is no beating Toyota for overall reliability and quality in my experience. Huw |
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