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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / November 2005

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190E, not driving smoothly, please help

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Guenter Scholz - 18 Nov 2005 18:54 GMT
well, I'm not imagining this.  My '93 190E has gotten very sensitive to the
throttle position.  Push a little bit and it takes off like a jack rabbit and
when letting go of the pedal the car slows down so quickly it makes one        
jerk forward ...... I have no idea....  any suggestions much appreciated

cheers  
Unknown - 18 Nov 2005 19:33 GMT
> well, I'm not imagining this.  My '93 190E has gotten very sensitive to
> the throttle position.  Push a little bit and it takes off like a jack
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>
> cheers

i just bought one and thought they were suposed to be like that, its kind
of fun but recent frosty weather=plenty of wheel spins, that said i only
recently passed my car test and as a former biker drive like a bit of a
thug anyway.
Tiger - 18 Nov 2005 22:24 GMT
Count how many shift the tranny made... should be two shift... What is the
RPM at let's say 55 MPH?
Guenter Scholz - 19 Nov 2005 12:30 GMT
>Count how many shift the tranny made... should be two shift... What is the
>RPM at let's say 55 MPH?

Thanks Tiger, did that.  I count up all four ... mind you at times I get a
'double thump' at shift .... when I felt the flex disk coupling I could note
some play between the drive and driven shafts .... Probably shouldnt be there.
(ie, I'm holding the drive shaft while wiggling the driven shaft on the other
side of the coupling) could some slack there cause such a pronounced effect
I wonder

cheers, guenter
Tiger - 19 Nov 2005 16:38 GMT
You probably need to change your flex discs... will cause vibration at time.

At 55 MPH, it should revs about 2500 RPM range
Guenter Scholz - 23 Nov 2005 09:04 GMT
Thanks, double checked gears and change-over again.  Yes car and engine
speeds are as you say below.  Gear change overs occur just before 2000rpm,
typically about 1800 rpm when accelerating 'softly' ... with the foot more
heavily on accelerater the change over occurs higher..... say about 4500 to
5000 rpm ..... all seems normal......
     
cheers, will do the flex disk replacement as you suggest though just in case

>You probably need to change your flex discs... will cause vibration at time.
>
>At 55 MPH, it should revs about 2500 RPM range
Wan-ning Tan - 19 Nov 2005 04:51 GMT
Second to Tiger's point.  It sounds like tranny is in higher gear.
In other makes of cars (like GM) where the auto box has direct drive,
there is a torque converter clutch (TCC).  When it is engaged, engine
connects to wheel directly, bypassing torque converter which is driven
by ATF (i.e. hydraulic action which is convenient but not efficient).
When this clutch is stuck engaged, it feels like what you have.
However, I am not sure if MB has such TCC.

> well, I'm not imagining this.  My '93 190E has gotten very sensitive to the
> throttle position.  Push a little bit and it takes off like a jack rabbit and
> when letting go of the pedal the car slows down so quickly it makes one        
> jerk forward ...... I have no idea....  any suggestions much appreciated
>
> cheers  
 
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