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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2006

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78 300SD in 84 300D Body

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ih8lag@hotmail.com - 06 Jan 2006 02:39 GMT
I have this weird problem where the car is consuming way too much fuel
I am getting about 7-8 KM/lt on the highway. Roughly about 16 MPG.

Recent work that has been done on the car is complete head and injector
pump change.

Checked cam timing at 0 deg it lines right up with the mark. Pump
timing is a wee beet retarted only about 3 degrees.

I am thinking this could be the Alda had been tampered with but the
metal cap is on it? Could there be anything else in the car causing
this? Is it possible the Alda is bad? The switch over valve on the
firewall? Vaccum line plugged or low maybe?

As well the car runs hot over 80 usually around 90 but this is the
radiator and it is winter anyway so the heat is kinda nice :)

Thanks
Jay
T.G. Lambach - 06 Jan 2006 20:15 GMT
Let's review the cam and IP timing.

When the engine is turned by its crank, not its cam, to the point where
the notch in the thrust collar is aligned with the groove cut into the
left front cam support, you say the reading on the harmonic damper is 00
degrees. Good.

You say the IP timing is a bit retarded at 3 degrees. I'm puzzled by
that. How are you measuring that?

The start of delivery should begin at 24 degrees (+/-  1 degree) BTDC.

Given the engine's recent history and these symptoms, I suspect that
your IP timing is, in fact 27 degrees retarded; that would well account
for the poor fuel economy and cause lame acceleration.

If this is the case, to correct the IP's timing, the engine should be
turned to 24 degrees BTDC BEFORE the IP is removed. The IP's drive gear
has an intentionally missing tooth. That gap should be aligned with a
groove cut into the collar immediately behind the IP's drive gear and
the pump reinstalled. The IP's mounting flange is designed to allow
small adjustments while the IP is on the engine - turning toward the
engine advances the timing, away retards.

The ALDA is tied into the turbo's boost pressure and adds fuel at high
engine loads - acceleration. Pray that your ALDA hasn't been "adjusted"
by some moron for adjustment can break it. The trade off is between
power and exhaust smoke, a delicate balance that's achieved on a bench
at the factory - not in someone's back yard.
Chas Hurst - 06 Jan 2006 22:06 GMT
> Let's review the cam and IP timing.
>
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> small adjustments while the IP is on the engine - turning toward the
> engine advances the timing, away retards.

There may be enough adjustment in the pump to allow rotating it to the
proper timing without removing it.
mcbrue - 07 Jan 2006 00:45 GMT
Yall way off! Itz youre neighbor Aldo whut is comin ova at nite an
borrowin a bit of yer fuel. An ya don't know he iz helpin hiself ta yer
fuel, so ya thinks its tha engine whut is eatin too much fuel. So ya
jist goes ova to tha neighbor an borries tha fuel bak and all iz well!

mcbrue explainingtechnicaly under the bridge in the trailer down by the
river

96 S420
Wan-ning Tan - 07 Jan 2006 15:53 GMT
A few degree is OK.  24 is too much.

>>Let's review the cam and IP timing.
>>
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> There may be enough adjustment in the pump to allow rotating it to the
> proper timing without removing it.
Chas Hurst - 07 Jan 2006 17:05 GMT
> A few degree is OK.  24 is too much.

Depending on the current alignment of the pump, the 3 deg error could be
corrected without removing the pump.

> >>Let's review the cam and IP timing.
> >>
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> > There may be enough adjustment in the pump to allow rotating it to the
> > proper timing without removing it.
ih8lag - 13 Jan 2006 16:07 GMT
I set the IP timing the other night car smokes no where near as much.
Its too early to tell to see what the mileage is like.

I assume is is better because the guage is not moving as much.

Thanks
Everyone.
 
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