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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / January 2006

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Air Bag Replacement  HELP HELP

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Michael Roback - 22 Jan 2006 06:29 GMT
I was in a odd accident driving behind my wife in  my 1988 300TE.  I
ended up plowing into her at about 10 miles per hour.  The drivers side
air bag went off. I had to cut it off so I could turn the steering wheel
and drive the car.  Some damage to the bumper being pushed in but not
sure how bad yet. The horn pushed into the grate that sits in front of
the radiator.  What is the grate for and is it a problem if it is
punctured? Does anyone have any good resources for Mercedes OEM parts
for these older cars.  I have been looking online for a airbag assembly
for this car and have not found it at all?  Also I guess the module
needs to be reset or replaced.  Can anyone tell me what I might be
looking at in terms of cost?  I was planning on getting a newer car.  
Maybe now is the time.  I am in lSouthern California.  If anyone can be
of any assistance I would appreciate it.  I am trying to not go through
my insurance as technically it was my fault.
Karl - 22 Jan 2006 06:37 GMT
For the air bag, you will need a new air bag, a new steering wheel [it DEFORMS], and a new crash
sensor. The crash sensor is NOT reset-able. Once it reaches the 2nd threshold, it sets code 10 and
cannot be cleared.

Not sure what you mean by 'grate'......
Are you sure it isn't the A/C condensor in front of the radiator?

> I was in a odd accident driving behind my wife in  my 1988 300TE.  I
> ended up plowing into her at about 10 miles per hour.  The drivers side
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> of any assistance I would appreciate it.  I am trying to not go through
> my insurance as technically it was my fault.
Michael Roback - 22 Jan 2006 17:37 GMT
It could be the AC condensor.  Is this costly?  The hood isn't buckled,
nor are the fenders.  The bumper was pushed in on one side and some of
the plastics around the headlamp are broken.  The metal strip that the
bumper sits against is bent.  I actually found a place that claims to be
able to clear all codes from the sensor??  I am trying to figure out
what the car is worth to determine repairs vs. value of car?  Is this
vintage of car worth fixing?  

> For the air bag, you will need a new air bag, a new steering wheel [it
> DEFORMS], and a new crash
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> > of any assistance I would appreciate it.  I am trying to not go through
> > my insurance as technically it was my fault.
Karl - 22 Jan 2006 20:13 GMT
They can clear codes 1 thru 9 on the early crash sensors but NOT code 10. Once the air bag goes off,
code 10 is set and is NOT clearable.

Later crash sensors, like in the 210 body and later, are resettable after an accident. But the early
are definitely NOT resettable. They are lying :)

If your condensor is punctured, you should have have an instant release of R-12 (or R-134a if it was
converted) or your system is empty.

I can get you a good used steering wheel, air bag, and crash sensor.

> It could be the AC condensor.  Is this costly?  The hood isn't buckled,
> nor are the fenders.  The bumper was pushed in on one side and some of
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> > > of any assistance I would appreciate it.  I am trying to not go through
> > > my insurance as technically it was my fault.
The Spanish Inquisition - 22 Jan 2006 12:47 GMT
> I was in a odd accident driving behind my wife in  my 1988 300TE.  I
> ended up plowing into her at about 10 miles per hour.  The drivers side
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> of any assistance I would appreciate it.  I am trying to not go through
> my insurance as technically it was my fault.

Bad luck :(

But I was wondering if your car still had the original airbag in it. My
87 250D (W124) has a driver's side airbag, but there's a sticker in the
glove box that warns the bag should have been replaced in 1996 or so. I
asked my dealer what a replacement would cost and they quoted me 400
EURO's IIRC.

If it was the original bag, I'd be interested to know if in your opinion
it still worked OK. Isn't 10 mph a bit early for it to activate?

Ximinez
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Karl - 22 Jan 2006 15:13 GMT
In the US, when air bags came out in 1985, the cars came with 10 year replacement stickers on the
glovebox lid. In the early-to-mid 90's, just before the 10 years were up, MBUSA came out with 15
year stickers to on all cars to up the expiration date 5 years.

USA cars are covered by a 4 yr/50K bumper-to-bumper warranty. California cars have an additional
7/70 emission warranty on select items. 49 state cars have an additional 8/80 emission warranty on
select items.

If and when MBUSA offers additional coverage on parts, either published or not published, the
addition brings the warranty up to either 10y/unlimited miles [ML power steering return hoses] or
10y/100000 miles [this is usually offered on seat belt problems] or 10y/120000 miles [this was
selectively offered on 140 body engine harness's back in the late 90's]. The key word in the
examples above is 10y which means 10 years. That's it, that is all the additional help you can beg
and plead and cajole to get out of MBUSA. By raising the 'recommended lifespan' of air bags past the
10 year window to 15 years, it made it a owner maint-enance item that put the sole responsibility on
the car owner. Then if and when the air bag fails to go explode due to age, MBUSA is not involved.

Here in the USA, MBUSA buys the US spec cars from DCAG, sells the US spec cars to authorized MB
dealers, and MBUSA backs all the USA warranties. I believe in Europe now, you get 2 year/unlimited
miles warranty from DCAG? That is it, cut and dried. [I still have not figured out how little MBUSA
is buying the cars for...... the difference between that and what they sell them for to the dealers
is how they make a profit. But from that profit, comes ALL the salaries for MBUSA employees and
there are a lot of them and the profit has to subsidize the warranties].

Granted, MBUSA sells additional warranties: ELW [extended limited warranty] that only is available
on new cars to be purchased within the 1st 12 months and it added 4 years/100000 on but is not
bumper-to-bumper, Starmark used car warranty [not offered any more but cars still have it that have
not expired] and it added up to 4 yrs/100000 on but is not bumper-to-bumper, CPO [certified
pre-owned] which took the place of Starmark and it is not bumper-to-bumper like the 4yr/50K was. CPO
does offer a few items in coverage that ELW and Starmark never did: audio components, phones, and CD
players.
The price of these additional policies are averaged out over a total of all the repairs covered. On
some cars, MBUSA makes a profit on the policy.
On some cars, MBUSA looses its butt!

Working at a MB only dealership for the past 27 years and seeing all the warranty claims and all the
recalls and the repairs being done under class action suits i.e. O'Keefe oil consumption and the buy
backs...... I try to figure out how MBUSA stays in business...... I guess they have better
accountants then Enron did......

> > I was in a odd accident driving behind my wife in  my 1988 300TE.  I
> > ended up plowing into her at about 10 miles per hour.  The drivers side
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>
> Ximinez
Hernando Correa - 22 Jan 2006 16:05 GMT
> In the US, when air bags came out in 1985, the cars came with 10 year replacement stickers on the
> glovebox lid. In the early-to-mid 90's, just before the 10 years were up, MBUSA came out with 15
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>>
>>Ximinez

Outstanding info, Karl.  Do you know what the minimum airbag deployment
speed is for a frontal collision?  10 mph seems about right at the edge
of the minimum requirement.

Michael ESTIMATED the collision speed at 10 mph but accidents happen so
fast that it's difficult to judge the ACTUAL speed. It could have been a
bit higher.

The extent of the damage to both vehicles is an indication of the
severity of the crash.  Unfortunately, at 10 mph, the repair cost of
both cars could be in the thousands of dollars. In the US, damage
protection standard for front bumpers is only 2.5 mph.

Hernando
Karl - 22 Jan 2006 20:19 GMT
What MB says and real life is two different things. I have seen them go off at 10 and I have not
seen them go off at 30! Full frontal, not side or on a big angle. Usually on the ones that go off
too soon or not at all, MB has me go to the body shop and remove the crash sensor so they 'read' it
to see what the vehicle was doing right at the point of impact. The crash sensor is a 'black box'
but no dealer has any provisions to read or analyze it.

> > In the US, when air bags came out in 1985, the cars came with 10 year replacement stickers on the
> > glovebox lid. In the early-to-mid 90's, just before the 10 years were up, MBUSA came out with 15
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>
> Hernando
The Spanish Inquisition - 25 Jan 2006 06:41 GMT
> Working at a MB only dealership for the past 27 years and seeing all the warranty claims and all the
> recalls and the repairs being done under class action suits i.e. O'Keefe oil consumption and the buy
> backs...... I try to figure out how MBUSA stays in business...... I guess they have better
> accountants then Enron did......

Perhaps they stay in business by getting large discounts from MB Europe.
Perhaps that's why they're laying off so many of their staff these days.

Still, it's good that quality problems aren't just the consumer's
problem in America. Gives them a good incentive to do something about it.

Ximinez
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