Maybe a bad flex disk?
anahataray - 08 Apr 2006 18:37 GMT
>Maybe a bad flex disk?
Is that part of the transmission?
Gogarty - 08 Apr 2006 23:17 GMT
>>Maybe a bad flex disk?
>Is that part of the transmission?
Could it be backlash in the differential?
anahataray - 09 Apr 2006 03:05 GMT
>>>Maybe a bad flex disk?
>>Is that part of the transmission?
>
>Could it be backlash in the differential?
It souds to me like it is something in the differential, it comes from the
back half of the car, and it is only when downshifting from second to first.
Is backlash caused by a bad differential, or just a mount or something?
Gogarty - 09 Apr 2006 12:53 GMT
>>>>Maybe a bad flex disk?
>>>Is that part of the transmission?
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>back half of the car, and it is only when downshifting from second to first.
>Is backlash caused by a bad differential, or just a mount or something?
According to my mechanic, just wear. Your car, like mine (1981) is no spring
chicken. Over time the tolerances on the gears in the differential will
change leaving room for them to go Clunk! when not in intimate contact. If
that is the problem it's not a big one as those gears are very robust. But I
would think you would hear it whenever you go from coasting to driving or
vice versa and not just on one shift pattern.
Guenter Scholz - 10 Apr 2006 00:37 GMT
>>>>>Maybe a bad flex disk?
>>>>Is that part of the transmission?
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>would think you would hear it whenever you go from coasting to driving or
>vice versa and not just on one shift pattern.
the differential on my '93 190e has been 'clunking' for some time also. I
replace the flex disk that was a bit lose but made little to no difference.
For the cost of the repair/replacement in the tranny (no adjustments I believe)
I've just been driving it with no problems other than the annoyance of having
it go clunk and then taking off like a jet.
cheers, guenter
anahataray - 10 Apr 2006 02:32 GMT
>>>>>>Maybe a bad flex disk?
>>>>>Is that part of the transmission?
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>
>cheers, guenter
thanks Guenter, it sounds like we have the same problem. My mechanic told me
not to worry, so I guess I won't until I drop my differential!!!!
Richard Sexton - 15 Apr 2006 19:48 GMT
>>>Maybe a bad flex disk?
>>Is that part of the transmission?
>>
>Could it be backlash in the differential?
No. I thought mine was and ordered a "good used one". The one that arrived
was way worse than mine. And made no difference. The I figured out the vacuum
crap and fixed it. I still have the "bad" diff in there. Does't seem too
fussy about backlash.

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Josh - 09 Apr 2006 12:57 GMT
It's part of the drive shaft.
> Is that part of the transmission?
>I recently bought a 83 300SD with 194k, and when the transmission downshifts
>into 2nd it makes clunk. The transmission is fine , and i have been told its
>a bushinf of some kind. Do you know what this could be?
I know exacly what that is. It's the halfshafts going klunk when the transmission
downshifts and was given the wrong modulator pressure.
They pretty much all do that. Here's why.
The transmission shifting smoothness is controlled by the engine vacuum. See,
the smoother is shifts the more the clutch packs are slipping. Bad. But,
under most conditions the tranny can be told to shift fairly hard, like
under full acceleration.
Now, on a gas powered car engine vacuum is used; it's fairly straightforward
but on a diesel that has no manifold vacuum it's just not there.
So, there's a vacuum pump, and a bunch of vacuum circuitry to shape the
profile and modulate the vacuum as a function of throttle opeing. This is
then fed to the vacuum madulartor on the trans that controls the smoothness
of the shifts.
If any part of this system fails it's like having no vacuum going to the
trans vacuum modulator and the result is, if nothing else a major clunk
giong into second.
Good news: your tranny will last a very long time like this. Bad
news: your half shafts wont.
The part that usually breaks in this circuit is the little fingers
inside the black box on top of the valve cover. Though, a this
age all that nice plastic that makes up the vacuum control circuitry
has pretty much fossilized.
Good news: you can renew and calibrate all this junk yourself. Bad news:
you need some fancy gizmos and the vacuum lines are no longer available in
the original colors.
Lemme guess, your door locks don't work either. You can tell it's a Mercedes
when it klunks at the back end and the clue is the door locks don't work.
If they do work, congratulations our vacuum pump works. But, even if it
does, look for oil in the vacuum line, if there is any it's coming from
kill device and will take out the pump which will now need to be replaced
or rebuilt.
Complicated enough for you yet?
I replaces the kill device, replaced the vacuum pump, tested and replaced
all the vacuum lines and calibrated it. And changed the half shafts. It
took me 5 years to figure all this sh.t out.
Here's the vacuum calibration stuff:
http://articles.mbz.org/transmission/

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Gogarty - 16 Apr 2006 14:51 GMT
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>Lemme guess, your door locks don't work either. You can tell it's a Mercedes
>when it klunks at the back end and the clue is the door locks don't work.
Hmmmm. My central locking system just failed. My main concern was getting the
fuel door open, but that has been taken care of. There does not seem to be
anything else wrong. It was a sudden failure -- worked one moment, didn't the
next.
1981 300SD
Richard Sexton - 19 Apr 2006 18:47 GMT
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>anything else wrong. It was a sudden failure -- worked one moment, didn't the
>next.
Ayup. You have vacuum issues.

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anahataray - 21 Sep 2006 05:56 GMT
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>Ayup. You have vacuum issues.
my shifting issue seems to go away when my car warms up, does that narrow
down which part it could be?