My 1983 300D Mercedes started having problems a week ago. When I turned
the key to start the car after the glow plug light goes out, the engine
turns over but didn't catch. The first time this happend it took about
15 tries to get the car started. The next time, about 25. Then about
50. And the last time around 75-- eventually needing to jump start the
car because the battery wore down in the process. This problem only
occurs the first start of the day-- once its warmed up, it starts up
with no problem. However, now the car is not starting at all, and
instead of the once powerful attempts by the car to start up, its now
weak and isn't even close to promising.
-I have tried letting the glowplugs warm up repeatedly, but it didn't
seem to help.
-I have tried pushing the gas a bit while turning the key and this
seems to have no impact at all.
-The car was releasing exhaust when the engine was struggling to start.
-I have a new alternator
-5 months ago or so my battery was tested and was in good condition
What do you think the problem is?? Combustion? Glow plugs? Help!!
Thanks,
Kate
Josh - 10 Apr 2006 20:56 GMT
Kate,
How old is the battery? Even though it tested "good" five months ago it may
not be holding a charge over night anymore.
Josh
Richard Sexton - 15 Apr 2006 20:24 GMT
>Kate,
>
>How old is the battery? Even though it tested "good" five months ago it may
>not be holding a charge over night anymore.
Any battery that can start a car in 15, then 25 then 50 tries is good!
It won't be for much longer if you keep doing this. It takes a lot
off a batteries life to discharge completley. A LOT.

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T.G. Lambach - 10 Apr 2006 21:14 GMT
Kate,
The glow plug system has an 80 amp fuse, a/k/a fusible link, that's
under a plastic cover on the glow plug relay - located on the left
fender. The cover slides UP. Pull the cover UP and check the link - it's
probably broken or melted. If so, that's THE PROBLEM!
These links are sold by the dealer and on-line for about $2 each, one is
needed, also buy a spare.
This should solve it, if not, come back.
Tom
Richard Sexton - 15 Apr 2006 20:26 GMT
>Kate,
>
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>This should solve it, if not, come back.
Might be, BUT, th eway it failed - getting long and longer to start
sounds like it had two working glow plugs, then one then none. A fusable
link busing would behave the same way each time, it wouldn't get progressibly
worse.
At any rate, check that first, who knows? Buy two spares and put them
in the glove box anyway. It'll fail one day.
Sadly there's no way of testing the glow plugs while they're in the car.

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Helen - 13 Apr 2006 00:19 GMT
I had a similar event happen about eighteen months ago. I have
a 1983 240D. A new battery took care of everything eventhough
the testing of the old battery showed it not to be "down".
Helen
> My 1983 300D Mercedes started having problems a week ago. When I
> turned the key to start the car after the glow plug light goes out,
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> Thanks,
> Kate
Ernesto - 13 Apr 2006 02:08 GMT
> My 1983 300D Mercedes started having problems a week ago. When I turned
> the key to start the car after the glow plug light goes out, the engine
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> Thanks,
> Kate
Had the same problem on my '81 300D. Although I burn biodiesel it had always
started up great. When the problem began I changed the glow plugs since the
fuse link was fine and I was getting current to the then installed glow
plugs. I made the mistake of putting in Autolite glow plugs instead of
Bosch. It started fine in the early morning if I gave it a slight shot of
starter fluid in the air filter intake tube at the front near the radiator
core support, not enough to cause any diesel knocking. Later in the day it
started okay but without near the gusto it had in the past. I finally solved
the problem by installing one of those new glow plug relays which keep the
current flowing for about three minutes. The kit I bought also included new
Bosch glow plugs. It now starts up on cold mornings in less than 5 seconds
of cranking. I'll never use anything but Bosch plugs now. Incidentally, my
240D (also on biodiesel) starts without a bit of hesitation, regardless of
the weather.
By the way, I've been using well-filtered WVO blended with small amounts of
kerosene, gasoline, and a couple of other additives which I purchase
locally. Works perfect despite rumblings from all the naysayers. I've heard
some who complained about the "gunk" left in the bottom of containers when
using the "recommended" method of purifying WVO and claim they would never
put that through their engine. However, they fail to realize that Dr. Diesel
designed his engine to run on vegetable oil and you get exactly the same
"gunk" when processing virgin peanut, canola and other types of oil. Just
thought I'd throw that into the mix. Incidentally, at about 80 cents a
gallon I laugh at the price of diesel as I drive past service stations these
days.
Richard Sexton - 15 Apr 2006 20:23 GMT
>My 1983 300D Mercedes started having problems a week ago. When I turned
>the key to start the car after the glow plug light goes out, the engine
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>
>What do you think the problem is?? Combustion? Glow plugs? Help!!
Kate;
You have no glow plugs left. Put in new ones and all will be well.
I had this problenm this winter when it was very very cold. I would
start the car and let it run till the water came up to temperatire
every 6 hours because it was SUCH an ordeal to start when very cold
and no glow plugs. I had to use two batteries and a 50 AMP battery
charger/boost.
You can change the glow plugs yourself VERY easily. Get a 19mm
wrench and take off the injector rails. Those are the snakey
steel lines going from the injector pump to the injectors. Looks
scary and OMG you're taking your engine apart but it's really
really easy. Undo the bolts at the injector pump. Undo the
bols at the injectors, it now comes off as an assembly all at once,
place it upside down on the air cleaner, cover with a cloth.
Now you can yank the glow plugs. It's a 13mm socket IIRC and
is as easy as changing spark plugs. Take them out, put in new
news, tighten them up to about as tigh as they were by feel.
Some poeple try to do this without removing the injector rails
and it's a right bitch. You'll save an hour and much swearing
by removing the rails.
I can't reiterate enough how easy it is to remove those injector
rails or how scary it looks if you haeven't done it before. Once
you have you can do it in between 5 and 10 minutes.

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kategrindlay@gmail.com - 17 Apr 2006 19:09 GMT
Thank you so much to everyone who has replied. I looked at the fusible
link and it is neither melted nor broken, so it sounds like the problem
lies with the glowplugs. I'll try replacing them and will post with the
results.
Thanks again!
Kate
kategrindlay@gmail.com - 24 Apr 2006 19:00 GMT
SOLVED! I changed the glowplugs and the car is working great!
>>>You can change the glow plugs yourself VERY easily. Get a 19mm
wrench and take off the injector rails. Those are the snakey
steel lines going from the injector pump to the injectors. <<<<
I ended up changing the glowplugs without taking out the injector
rails-- it was tight, but I was able to maneuver around them, and this
saved me from having to deal with getting the air out of the lines
later.
I replaced all 5 with the Autolite glowplugs (they cost $10 each, vs
$21 each for Bosch)-- my car manual recommended taking them out one at
a time and once the old one was out, turning the ignition for a couple
seconds and blowing the air out before putting the new one in. I did
this for each in turn, but did not clean the hole out with a brush as
has been recommended.
My glowplug light is now working again (it was intermittent before), I
am no longer getting thick black smoke when the car starts up, and the
engine seems to be running smoother. But most importantly, my car
starts first thing in the morning with gusto!
Thanks to all who helped me out-
Kate