Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
HomeAnnouncements
Discussion Groups
By Brand
BMWChevroletDodgeFordGMHondaLexusMercedes-BenzNissanPeugeotToyotaVolkswagenOther Brands
By Topic
4x4 CarsRVsDrivingMaintenance & RepairCar AudioCollectible Cars
Country Specific
Australian ForumsUK Forums
ArticlesAuto InsuranceBuyingCars & TechnologyMaintenanceMiscellaneousSafety
DMV Resources
Related Topics
MotorcyclesBoatsMore Topics ...

Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / April 2006

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Follow up on intermittent start problem and the fuel pump relay (W126 300SE 1989 UK)

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Rob. Smith - 21 Apr 2006 21:51 GMT
Just to update those who assisted me with my intermittent start
problem.
I pulled the fuel relay and got the cover off in no time. I almost
asked the group where I was to find this relay, but its difficult to
miss!
It all looked great in there at first glance. A little closer looking
did show up some minor cracking around one of the relay connection
solder joints to the PCB.
The clincher I think tho (hopefully) belonged to the rivetted
connection of the conductor plate to the back of the pin labled
terminal 15 (live at ign on). It showed some signs of duress and
copper verdigree. I wondered what lurked under the rivet head and the
blade of the connection, so I decided to clean up what I could see of
the part and solder that too.
All the other rivetted plates to a man looked perfect, so I left them
alone.
I WD40'd the relay base before re-inserting it.
To date I have had no further re-ocurrence. Fingers crossed.
BTW, there is a PIC microcontroller IC in there. Pretty advanced for
1989. Must have cost a fortune then.

Cheers...   Rob.
Guenter Scholz - 22 Apr 2006 01:54 GMT
Rob, be careful still.  I went through pretty much the same and after not very
long it acted up again..... wife was 'really' ticket.....  :-)

cheers, guenter

>Just to update those who assisted me with my intermittent start
>problem.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Cheers...   Rob.
Richard Sexton - 22 Apr 2006 18:21 GMT
A couple of comments here. These cars are full of fairly simple (by 21st century standards)
circuit assemblies than control various things - the cuise control amp, heater gubbins,
and in this case fuel pump relay.

A common failure is simply a mechanical one and it's usually at a solder joint,
which is why the oft recommended technique of resoldering EVERYHING on the
circuit board works so very very often.

Tiger is right in that a new relay will most probably fix it. By doing what you've
done so far (fixing a couple of trouble spots) you have almost certainly identified
the source of the problem, because by fiddling with this thing you've at least
changed the nature of the problem and at best have fixed it.

Say you have it fail again and replace it with a new relay. Now, that old one
sits there on your bench with one or maybe two mechanical problems preventing it
from working good as new. We're not talking a mechanical failure here such
as a worn cam but simply some place where the electrons get stuck - sometimes.

That it works at all means the PIC and firmware works, it's just not getting
the data it needs as sostensibly some wire has a broken connection.

If indeed it does act up again then reflow ALL the solder joints. And it woudlnt
hurt to go over it with an ohmeter first to see if you can identify any problematic
areas of electrical discontinuety.

It does sound like you're on the right path though.

Signature

  Need Mercedes parts?   http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton       | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org
1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net
633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net

Tiger - 22 Apr 2006 04:19 GMT
If you are handy with a solder... reflow it. But you are much better off
buying a rebuilt fuel pump relay.
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.