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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / May 2006

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What should one look for in a diesel Mercedes?

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Kevin - 30 Apr 2006 22:55 GMT
I am currently considering a diesel Mercedes, the W124 chassis (sold
from 1986 through 1995 in the U.S. market), such as a 300D, 300D 2.5
Turbo, or an E300D.  My main reason to consider a diesel Mercedes is
the fuel economy and the luxury/comfort.  From my research, I have
learned that Mercedes diesels can last almost forever and are lower
maintenance than the gasoline powered Mercedes counterpart model (such
as 300E-the gasoline model versus 300D-the diesel model).  I am
considering a 1990-1995 W124 diesel.  Mechanically, what should I look
for in a W124 diesel Mercedes and what should I beware of when shopping
for one?  What repair record do these W124 diesels have and what is the
costs of maintenance and repairs for these cars?  I am used to rather
high maintenance and repair costs of European cars, as I currently own
a BMW and have owned a Volvo in the past.  I would greatly appreciate
any advice and insight regarding purchasing tips and the like of the
W124 diesel Mercedes.  Thank you in advance for your help.
John Mauel - 30 Apr 2006 23:43 GMT
>I am currently considering a diesel Mercedes, the W124 chassis (sold
> from 1986 through 1995 in the U.S. market), such as a 300D, 300D 2.5
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> any advice and insight regarding purchasing tips and the like of the
> W124 diesel Mercedes.  Thank you in advance for your help.

You can have a look at:
http://www.mindspring.com/~houlihan/mb.htm

John M.
'94 E320 gasser
Kevin Shen - 30 Apr 2006 23:54 GMT
John,

I looked at your 1993 300D 2.5 Turbo on your web site.  Is this car for
sale?  And if it is for sale, what is price that you would like to sell
it for?  Also, what part of the USA are you located in.  I am located
in Saint Louis, MO.  Please advise and reply.  Thank you in advance.
John Mauel - 01 May 2006 00:08 GMT
> John,
>
> I looked at your 1993 300D 2.5 Turbo on your web site.  Is this car for
> sale?  And if it is for sale, what is price that you would like to sell
> it for?  Also, what part of the USA are you located in.  I am located
> in Saint Louis, MO.  Please advise and reply.  Thank you in advance.

Sorry, but it ain't mine to sell.  I've got a '94 W124 all right, but it is
neither a diesel nor for sale. Sorry for the confusion.

John M.
T.G. Lambach - 01 May 2006 02:13 GMT
The internal condition of any diesel is appraised by a compression test.
So make that part of any purchase agreement; it costs a bit but will
avoid a lot of expense afterward.

I've owned a '80 300SD M-B diesel since it was new and have a few
opinions about diesels. The old, all iron motors (thru '85) are tough,
durable engines that can take a lot of use and abuse. Old, all
mechanical technology that lends itself to the DIY owner. The later
engines have better performance but are not as tough as these old dogs.

Yes, some engines have lasted for vast mileages but those were
fastidiously maintained, perhaps over maintained. IMHO the useful life
of a reasonably maintained all iron diesel is about 275K miles +/- 10%
after which it will need an overhaul, probably the transmission as well.
The newer motors' iron blocks and aluminum cylinder heads may need a
head gasket before they reach an overhaul.

As to fuel economy, the old 300SD consistently delivers 24 mpg in
commute driving. Notice the diesels' relatively high city mileage for
it's their main benefit, a reasonably sized gas engine will approach
diesel mileage on the open road. My '97 E320 which has much better
performance achieves and 26 - 28 mpg on the road, about the same as the
old diesel.

M-B will be selling a new E320 V-6 diesel starting in October. This
motor has better acceleration than their 3.5L V-6 gas engine and the
diesel's mileage is about 33% better than the gas motor! Both of these
motors are "state of the art" producing 75 HP/L and I relate this so you
see what can be achieved. But this new diesel is more complicated than
its V-6 gas sibling and that forsakes the diesel's traditional
simplicity. I'm thinking about buying one but am quite wary of its
complexity.

You should know that the diesels require more frequent oil and filter
changes than do the gas motors - it varies by engine so check that
before you buy. Diesel fuel now costs more than premium gas (San
Francisco Bay Area) so the fuel isn't "cheap" and it will head higher
when the sulfur is removed this summer.

A diesel helps but it isn't the magic solution to high fuel costs; that
can only come from lighter cars and smaller engines.

The MBUSA site has a menu of "prior models" that may help your
investigation.
trader4@optonline.net - 01 May 2006 12:57 GMT
I came across this on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BUYERS-GUIDE-FOR-MERCEDES-116-DIESEL-300SD-SEDAN_
W0QQitemZ8060389740QQcategoryZ34227QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


It's a buyers guide to MB diesels from 1968 - 1995.    Don't know how
good it is or anything else about it.

This same seller also has 2 books on how to repair MB vacuum system
problems, for anyone interested in that.
Ignatius Thistlewhite - 01 May 2006 13:14 GMT
Tiger - 01 May 2006 14:54 GMT
You are on the right track. Full service record is a plus... Have a MB
diesel mechanic look over the car... dealer might be your best bet for
overall checkup unless you find one locally. Do this before you buy the car.

Check the tranny operation... is it smooth and responsive?

You really have to test drive them. I got a 1995 and I love it.
Kevin Shen - 01 May 2006 16:31 GMT
Tiger,

What does a 1992-1995 diesel Mercedes (300D 2.5 Turbo / E300 Diesel)
typically cost in today's 2nd hand car market?  What type of fuel
economy does your 1995 have, both city/commute and highway?  And what
has been your experience with repairs, trouble spots in the mechanics,
and the repair costs?  I would greatly appreciate your answers and help
regarding my questions.  Thank you in advance.

Best Regards,

Kevin Shen
Tiger - 01 May 2006 17:09 GMT
> What does a 1992-1995 diesel Mercedes (300D 2.5 Turbo / E300 Diesel)
> typically cost in today's 2nd hand car market?

This is hot topic. I'd rather get a good car for fair price rather than pay
high price for good car. Edmunds.com give you good average...

What type of fuel
> economy does your 1995 have, both city/commute and highway?

I get 27 city and 34 highway.About 30 MPG average as I do live in hilly
neighborhood. That's about 600 miles a tank.

And what
> has been your experience with repairs, trouble spots in the mechanics, and
> the repair costs?  I would greatly appreciate your answers and help
> regarding my questions.  Thank you in advance.

My E300D is non-turbo. It is very responsive engine and I can start car no
problem in winter without plugging in the engine heater.

Turbo on older model is what I'd be concern... whethet it puffs when in
between shifting... or revving. Fuel lines are the most critical... they do
leak as they get older. I'd worry more about chassis than than engine if
they check out olay...

Steering play is concern if  higher mileage in 200 range... which would
means idle arm bushing, lower control arm... shock absorbers.

Tranny is also of concern. it must engage smoothly... hold gear long enough
before shifting to next... downshift when you gun throttle...

I did all repair by myself... so my cost is super low.
Kevin Shen - 01 May 2006 20:37 GMT
What year is your E300D?
Tiger - 01 May 2006 20:51 GMT
PT in OR - 01 May 2006 16:41 GMT
I seem to be getting hauled along on Mercedes hunts these days when a
friend wants something to run on bio or a big, safe car that gets good
mileage. These are some of the instant disqualifiers. If I see this, we
move on to the next car without even bothering to take it to the MB
mechanic:
--Torn CV boots. CVs ain't cheap and they can be very expensive if
you have a shop do the work.
--Water in the trunk. It has been my experience that this is the rear
window seal rather than the trunk seal. That means there is probably
some rust happening around the window.
--Make sure the cruise control works. Otherwise you are looking at
around $300 to have the amp and the actuator rebuilt.
--Keys. Get as many as you can from the previous owner since dealers
charge up to $50 each to copy them.
--Rust. Get under the car and look. They are usually old. That means
even if you are looking at a car in AZ, it might have lived in place
that used salt on the roads.
--Gauges. Make sure all the gauges work. Odometers tend to be shot.
This might tell you how much stock you should put into the odometer
having actual mileage.
--Open the oil filler cap on the engine and see how much vapor is
rising when the engine is running. This gives you an idea of how bad
the blow by is without having to do a (much more conclusive)
compression test right away. Btw, a worn diesel engine may run very
well. Don't mistake easy starting and smooth running as signs of good
engine condition.
Here in the PNW, a good 123, 124, or 116 body with good interior goes
for about $500 with a bad motor/tranny. If you fall in love with a car
with a bad motor, no matter how perfect the body/interior, remember
after getting the new/used engine in it, it will never be worth what
you have into it. You may think you're going to drive it forever so
it won't matter. And it won't matter, until some a.shole comes over
the centerline and turns your car into metal origami. What they gave me
for my mechanically perfect '83 300DT didn't even cover the price
of a good transmission.
    I'm sure others will have other things they look for as well.
Richard Sexton - 02 May 2006 08:23 GMT
>a BMW and have owned a Volvo in the past.  I would greatly appreciate
>any advice and insight regarding purchasing tips and the like of the
>W124 diesel Mercedes.  Thank you in advance for your help.

    http://articles.mbz.org/buying/checklists/124/

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