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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / June 2006Two trees and a Mercedes
http://www.112drenthe.com/newsbringer_read.php?bericht=5H1c8Ws5Ox2nzYmxDriL7mv9Z nCENCR5f Apparently they were doing 140 km/h when they hit the trees, no survivors. Looks like the remains of a w140 to me. Ximinez  SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html > http://www.112drenthe.com/newsbringer_read.php?bericht=5H1c8Ws5Ox2nzYmxDriL7mv9Z nCENCR5f > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ximinez Looks like a oak to me. >> http://www.112drenthe.com/newsbringer_read.php?bericht=5H1c8Ws5Ox2nzYmxDriL7mv9Z nCENCR5f >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Looks like a oak to me. How could anyone have been hurt they were only doing about 70 mph and the air bags worked. ;-) Kinda shows you how frail man and his toys are when mother nature, aka physics, is involved. >>> http://www.112drenthe.com/newsbringer_read.php?bericht=5H1c8Ws5Ox2nzYmxDriL7mv9Z nCENCR5f >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Kinda shows you how frail man and his toys are when mother nature, aka > physics, is involved. Princess Diana died in an S Class, but she was not wearing a seat belt (the only survivor was). > http://www.112drenthe.com/newsbringer_read.php?bericht=5H1c8Ws5Ox2nzYmxDriL7mv9Z nCENCR5f > > Apparently they were doing 140 km/h when they hit the trees, no > survivors. > Looks like the remains of a w140 to me. W210. Look at head lamps. Reg: Harri What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle snelheid" (full speed). In NL the limit is quite low, but that doesn't mean the crashed vehicle was going slowly. Still, it looks like it was in the suburbs of a town. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > W210. Look at head lamps. > > Reg: Harri > What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle snelheid" > (full speed). You're right. I got the speed from another newsgroup, it's not in the web article. Could well be false. > In NL the limit is quite low, but that doesn't mean the crashed vehicle was > going slowly. Still, it looks like it was in the suburbs of a town. The limit is probably either 50 or 80 km, I guess, depending on which side of the city town limits it was. Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html >> What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle >> snelheid" (full speed). [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The limit is probably either 50 or 80 km, I guess, depending on which > side of the city town limits it was. This is another article about the crash. It mentions a 'likely' speed of 140 km/h, the driver not doing any braking and a speed limit of 80 km/h. The people living along the road see this accident as an indication that the maximum speed should be reduced to 8 km/h. As if that would have deterred the driver... "Valthe- De mensen die aan de langgerekte Weerdingerweg in Valthe wonen weten één ding zeker: de toegestane snelheid van 80 kilometer in het uur op de smalle, zich door het landschap slingerende weg moet worden teruggebracht tot 60 kilometer in het uur. Door het ongeluk met dodelijke afloop van zaterdagmiddag is de discussie over dit onderwerp opnieuw actueel. Tegen vier uur reed een personenauto met hoge snelheid, waarschijnlijk 140 kilometer in het uur, over de Weerdingerweg. Komend vanuit Weerdinge passeerde de chauffeur tijdens zijn roekeloze tocht een andere auto. In een flauwe bocht verloor hij de controle over zijn voertuig. De man kwam met een voorwiel in de linkerberm. Zijn daarop volgende stuurcorrectie was onvoldoende: zonder te remmen kwam hij aan de rechterkant van de weg tot stilstand tegen twee bomen. De drie inzittenden, die uit Slowakije afkomstig zijn, waren op slag dood. Een tegenligger zag even daarvoor de scheurende bolide recht op zich afkomen. Als door een wonder wist hij met een rap uitgevoerde manoeuvre zijn bestelwagen precies op tijd in de rechterberm tot stilstand te brengen. Daarna hoorde hij een huiveringwekkende klap. Een kwartier na de crash stond hij nog te beven als een rietje, in het ontluikende besef dat hij aan een wisse dood was ontsnapt. Politiewoordvoerder Roel Hallink laat weten dat in het technisch onderzoek naar de oorzaak van de catastrofe alle van belang zijnde verkeersaspecten worden meegenomen." Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html >>> What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle >>> snelheid" (full speed). [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the maximum speed should be reduced to 8 km/h. As if that would have > deterred the driver... Pardon my ignorance but I've always figured conversion from kmh to mph is about half for easy conversions. Thus 80 kmh would be only 40 mph which is only high speed for a bicycle! The figure of 8 kmh would be a slow trot for a dog. Could, would, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Looking at the pictures in the article, the MB torn in half, would indicate to me a speed of over 200 kmh. James > "Valthe- De mensen die aan de langgerekte Weerdingerweg in Valthe wonen > weten [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Ximinez >>>> What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle >>>> snelheid" (full speed). [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > which is only high speed for a bicycle! The figure of 8 kmh would be a > slow trot for a dog. Indeed! Halving the number of kilometers is a bit too 'easy' for me, but I haven't a clue where I got the '8' from. The real figure was 60 km or 37.28 miles. > Could, would, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Looking at the > pictures in the article, the MB torn in half, would indicate to me a > speed of over 200 kmh. I think the driver should feinitely be fined ;) Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html Yes. 140 km is speculation and the call is to reduce the limit from 80 km/h to 60 km/h. I think the absolute speed here is not as important as the speed appropriate for the conditions. Even at 80 there could have been a nasty crash in the 'right' circumstances. In the UK there is always someone calling for speed reduction, even on sections of motorway (where we already have an incrediby low 70 mph limit), totally ignoring the fact that the motorways are the safest roads. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Indeed! Halving the number of kilometers is a bit too 'easy' for me, but I > haven't a clue where I got the '8' from. The real figure was 60 km or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ximinez > Pardon my ignorance but I've always figured conversion from kmh to mph > is about half for easy conversions. Thus 80 kmh would be only 40 mph 80 km/h = 49,7 mph = rounded 50 mph > which is only high speed for a bicycle! The figure of 8 kmh would be a > slow trot for a dog. > Could, would, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Looking at the > pictures in the article, the MB torn in half, would indicate to me a > speed of over 200 kmh. It's not that simple, angle of impact plays a major role - and so it could indeed be that the speed was 140 km/h (87 mph). Juergen You're pardoned... The conversion factor is 1.6 which, I trust, you worked out from Juergen's answer. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Pardon my ignorance but I've always figured conversion from kmh to mph is > about half for easy conversions. No it was an approximation I've used for many years; there are so many inaccuracies in measurements that unless you use a laser you can't tell the difference. It's really 62.5/100 according to my speedometer. ;-) Thanks for the pardon. :-D > You're pardoned... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Pardon my ignorance but I've always figured conversion from kmh to mph is >> about half for easy conversions. :-) 2 is not a good approximation. 1.6 IS a good approximation. The UK Dept of Transport's maths is worse at times. Near the Channel ports the speed limit of 70 mph is in some places shown as 110 km/h...(should be 112 km/h). DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > No it was an approximation I've used for many years; there are so many > inaccuracies in measurements that unless you use a laser you can't tell [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> Pardon my ignorance but I've always figured conversion from kmh to mph >>> is about half for easy conversions. > The UK Dept of Transport's maths is worse at times. Near the Channel ports > the speed limit of 70 mph is in some places shown as 110 km/h...(should be > 112 km/h). To nutpick: The conversion factor is 1.609344, which results in 112.65408 km/h. So rounded up it would be 113 km/h - any YES, I know, it is always stated as 112 km/h. Juergen - W123 240D 72 PS sedan auto top speed 138 km/h = 85,749 mph The slower the car the more important are the figures behind the comma ;-)) Probably so that a speed greater than 70 mph is not officially recommended! That would be an odd legal situation. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > To nutpick: > The conversion factor is 1.609344, which results in 112.65408 km/h. > So rounded up it would be 113 km/h - any YES, I know, it is always > stated as 112 km/h. Dori A Schmetterling schrieb: > What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle snelheid" > (full speed). > > In NL the limit is quite low, but that doesn't mean the crashed vehicle was > going slowly. Still, it looks like it was in the suburbs of a town. The patch of bark missing at the tree and of course the state of the wreck says something about the speed at collision time. If the car is from eastern Europe there is a good chance for it to be a reconstructed former german wreck. Otherwise I could not explain it's cabin to be torn in pieces not even at 200km/h. See eg. pictures of Dianas Merc at 180 and crash test pictures for the E-class. SignatureRoland Franzius >Dori A Schmetterling schrieb: >> What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle snelheid" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >cabin to be torn in pieces not even at 200km/h. See eg. pictures of >Dianas Merc at 180 and crash test pictures for the E-class. I reckon that it was cut in half by the rescue team. A car will not be torn in half like that by impact.. David >> Dori A Schmetterling schrieb: >>> What a mess. Where is the speed given? All it says is "volle snelheid" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I reckon that it was cut in half by the rescue team. A car will not > be torn in half like that by impact.. I thought that briefly, but then I saw the orange markings around the place where the back section lay and I figured it must have landed there. Why else mark it? Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html The cut looks too clean, not much twist/bent. If any car hits the tree sideway, it mostly wraps around first. Hitting something else that is sharp and stronger may be different. However, looking at the height of tree bark that was stripped (about 160-170cm, a person's height), the car may be flipping at time of impact. I believe the passenger cage is designed to withstand impact from all fours sides but not from top/bottom. >>> Dori A Schmetterling schrieb: >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ximinez > I reckon that it was cut in half by the rescue team. A car will not > be torn in half like that by impact.. You sure? A couple of weeks ago a GMC Blazer cut right through the back seats of a Pontiac/Buick/whatever Bonneville, split it in two. Luckily it just passed the mother and daughter sitting in the front seats. The two sides of the cars were at opposite sides of the road. cp > W210. Look at head lamps. Pre-MOPF. Look at the front skirt and the rear lights. Juergen I looked at some of photos and thought back of those sort of collision with trees in East Germany. During the frosty days of Cold War, the communists lined many roads with trees as to shroud them from spy satellite or surveillance. Unfortunately, they also provide lot of hazard for vehicles. I've seen some of collisions that actually split the vehicles in half or crush them greatly, especially when smashing sideways into the immobile and solid object at high speed. I speculated that the W210 might have lost control due to the surface irregularity on street (those little bumps and dips or like). It smashed into the tree after skidding or 'flying' (due to bumps at high speed) with its left side smashing into the tree. That's about the same thing happening with Ferrari Enzo in Southern California last February. The Swede lost the control of his Ferrari over the bump and left a long trail of 'spare parts' after smashing sideways into the telephone pole. I recalled a skidding incident involving the Japanese journalists and R129 500SL during its preview in 1989. The journalists drove the 500SL too fast for the road condition, and it sort of 'jumped' over the bump just before the road curved to the left. The journalist steered the car whilst it was airbourne, thinking they were still 'adhering' to the road. That mistake made the matter worse, and the car flipped and rolled over a several times. Neither of journalists were injured, just shaken but thankful for the company's meticulous foresight into the occupant protection. > http://www.112drenthe.com/newsbringer_read.php?bericht=5H1c8Ws5Ox2nzYmxDriL7mv9Z nCENCR5f > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ximinez OM schrieb: > I looked at some of photos and thought back of those sort of collision > with trees in East Germany. During the frosty days of Cold War, the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the vehicles in half or crush them greatly, especially when smashing > sideways into the immobile and solid object at high speed. Don't blame the communists for planting trees at parkways;-) Probably they would have sold even that wood to the west. The tree planting began some 300 years ago initiated by engineers at the times of Louis XIV IIRC and the rulers/kings in Hanover and Prussia. Was kind of shelter against sun in summer and to make the road visible in the snow in the winter for horse powered trafic and poor soldiers marching around in Europe that times. The main reason for the still existing trees at federal roads in eastern Germany is absence of traffic and need for broadening the carriageways in the times before '89. Broadening costed at least one tree line at all the roads in western Germany. But even the remaining rest is deadly especially for young people driving home to the villages saturday night. The chance to get away alive after a collison with a tree at 80 km/h and up is virtually 0. SignatureRoland Franzius |
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