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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / June 2006Opinions on 2006 E320 CDI
Hi all, I am considering purchasing a new E320 CDI. Does anyone have any opinions, positive or negative about the car? I have driven one and have been very impressed. Thanks, Jeff >Hi all, > >I am considering purchasing a new E320 CDI. Does anyone have any opinions, positive or negative about the car? I have driven one and have been very impressed. I have an '05 and aside from small electronic issues, the car is great >>Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I have an '05 and aside from small electronic issues, the car is great Just curious, what electronic issues are you experiencing? Jeff >>>Hi all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Jeff things with the command system, I had to have the head unit replaced I think the current E looks great. Indeed all three: C, E, S DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > things with the command system, I had to have the head unit replaced A new V-6 CDI will be available in the fall. It's now sold in Europe and has better acceleration than the 3.5L V-6 gas and 1/3 better economy. Complicated engine, however, not as amenable for DIY owners, IMHO. >A new V-6 CDI will be available in the fall. It's now sold in Europe and >has better acceleration than the 3.5L V-6 gas and 1/3 better economy. >Complicated engine, however, not as amenable for DIY owners, IMHO. And not as bullet proof as the old ones Today's NY Times has an autos supplement - on all new cars. The copy about the updated '07 E-Classs mentions the 221 HP V-6 diesel's EPA is 27/37 mpg. The same engine, with "BluTec" emissions controls, will be offered next year on the S Class models. For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice for myself. There have been comments here by Juergen, Lambach, Tiger etc that the CDI just may be more electronically problematic... very true I would think.... and the '99 and older td will be more reliable etc.... but, gee, the CDI sure does look great and, as you also noticed, sure zippes along. for me it will come down to where I get a better deal. At the moment here in Ontario, seems the older TD's are priced sillier.... probably the dealers are expecting more demand for the cheaper car. cheers, guenter >-=-=-=-=-=- > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >[Alternative: text/html] >-=-=-=-=-=- >For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice for >myself. There have been comments here by Juergen, Lambach, Tiger etc that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in Ontario, seems the older TD's are priced sillier.... probably the dealers >are expecting more demand for the cheaper car. if you buy an older td, you are getting old technology, the cdi is a solid, modern performer. It's speed and power rivals any gas engine and it has the reliability of an MB diesel. One small fault is that it does get slightly lower mpg than the older diesels, but that is partially because it performs so well that you tend to drive it faster >>For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice for There was no CDI in 1995. cp >>>For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice for > >There was no CDI in 1995. > >cp you are correct, of course I meant '05 cheers >>There was no CDI in 1995. >> >>cp > you are correct, of course I meant '05 That's what I figured. =) cp Guenter just checking whether cp was sleeping... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > That's what I figured. =) > > cp =) > Guenter just checking whether cp was sleeping... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> cp >>For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice for >>myself. There have been comments here by Juergen, Lambach, Tiger etc that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >if you buy an older td, you are getting old technology, the cdi is a >solid, modern performer. It's speed and power rivals any gas engine aye, but there's the rub. A 'solid' performer is so because it has proven itself over time and distance.... neither of these important criteria has been met by the CDI to date. Maybe in a few years. >and it has the reliability of an MB diesel. just because it quacks like a duck does not mean it IS a duck. -cheers, guenter >>>For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice for >>>myself. There have been comments here by Juergen, Lambach, Tiger etc that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > but your 98 is coming close to the end of it's design life and there is no reason to think that a newer CDI will not perform as well. Pick your poison > but your 98 is coming close to the end of it's design life and there gee, are the middle to late 90's benzes that bad? cp >> but your 98 is coming close to the end of it's design life and there > >gee, are the middle to late 90's benzes that bad? > >cp no, but my 05 will outlast your mid '90s cars by many years > no, but my 05 will outlast your mid '90s cars by many years Because it's newer or because it's better? cp >> no, but my 05 will outlast your mid '90s cars by many years > >Because it's newer or because it's better? > >cp because it is newer, what do you mean by better? It is better because the performance is light years ahead of the older diesels, but only time will tell if it is as bullet proof as the older ones >>> no, but my 05 will outlast your mid '90s cars by many years >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > because it is newer, what do you mean by better? Well, you could say that a new Pontiac Sunfire could potentially last longer than a 1990 Mercedes, but is it better? No. Same with your '05, It could last longer because it is newer AND because it also could be better. > It is better because the performance is > light years ahead of the older diesels, If performance is your criteria than yes. My '85 300SD did 190km/h and that was enough for me. Acceleration was VERY good too. Why I sold it I don't know... >but only time will tell if it is as bullet >proof as the older ones That's my (and most people around the world I would say) definition of better. Robustness. cp >>>> no, but my 05 will outlast your mid '90s cars by many years >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Well, you could say that a new Pontiac Sunfire could potentially last longer than a 1990 Mercedes, but is it better? No. Same with >your '05, It could last longer because it is newer AND because it also could be better. no, I'd never say that, I will say that you're just being obtuse, stay with your old smoker and have a good time, I'll be cruising by you in my CDI > no, I'd never say that, I will say that you're just being obtuse, stay > with your old smoker and have a good time, I'll be cruising by you in > my CDI Bugger off, prick. You'd think we're discussing politics or religion. cp >> no, I'd never say that, I will say that you're just being obtuse, stay >> with your old smoker and have a good time, I'll be cruising by you in >> my CDI > >Bugger off,,, ...... snip..... a totally over the top response... good grief. guenter >>>> no, but my 05 will outlast your mid '90s cars by many years >>> Because it's newer or because it's better? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, you could say that a new Pontiac Sunfire could potentially last longer HA! Are you trying to fool yourself or us? :-D The Sunfire will flicker and die in a couple of years, parts first start falling off then the serious stuff starts. I've a 2002 E-320 with 54,000 miles and it is like knew in all respects. I traded in a 1996 E-320 with 110,000 miles and the only problem I encountered was a failing rear window riser. The previous owner's only complaint was, "When I turn the radio up up full with full base, the driver's door rattles." > than a 1990 Mercedes, but is it better? No. Same with > your '05, It could last longer because it is newer AND because it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> but only time will tell if it is as bullet >> proof as the older ones MB die hards should read Road & Track for November 2005 and get worried, it almost sounds as if MB is slipping badly in design, quality, etc. BMW is taking the front row seat that MB had. > That's my (and most people around the world I would say) definition of > better. Robustness. > > cp > HA! Are you trying to fool yourself or us? :-D The Sunfire will flicker and die in a couple of years, parts first start falling > off then the serious stuff starts. I thought I picked a bad example. I drove a 1 year old Sunfire a couple of years ago, it felt like a Lada. =) > I've a 2002 E-320 with 54,000 miles and it is like knew in all respects. I traded in a 1996 E-320 with 110,000 miles and the only > problem I encountered was a failing rear window riser. The previous owner's only complaint was, "When I turn the radio up up full > with full base, the driver's door rattles." =) > MB die hards should read Road & Track for November 2005 and get worried, it almost sounds as if MB is slipping badly in design, > quality, etc. BMW is taking the front row seat that MB had. Oh that's old news. Benz's motto is, or at least was, "The Best or Nothing". As someone already said, since the mid 90's it's been nothing. Though perhaps I'm saying that because I can't afford to pay cash for a new one =) cp Did you know that the singular of "criteria" is "criterion"? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > If performance is your criteria... [...] I did, but I doubt many people would understand "criterion" =) cp > Did you know that the singular of "criteria" is "criterion"? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> If performance is your criteria... > [...] >but your 98 is coming close to the end of it's design life and there >is no reason to think that a newer CDI will not perform as well. >Pick your poison I don't believe you are appreciating the folks and their mentality who live in the Stuttgart area.... they are Schw"bisch, like myself. This translates to design and execution for the long term and, moreover, this is the reason that I'm primarily interested in the MB's in the first place. My '89 300e has over 250k km on it and has in no serious way gone past it's 'design' life. If there is one, I would put say that I'm possibly half way there; another 250k km and another 10 years or more. the only item that it may have outlived is 'style'.... but hey, retro inevitably becomes popular again. I just can't get over that you believe a 6 year old MB is near it's design life. A popular saying comes to mind ...."more money.....s" - cheers, guenter >>but your 98 is coming close to the end of it's design life and there >>is no reason to think that a newer CDI will not perform as well. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >- cheers, guenter the cdi engine is far superior to your car's engine. my 124 had more miles on than yours and it is still going, so you don't need to preach to me about longevity, nonetheless in my opinion the MB diesels are on borrowed time once they hit more than 300k miles. The question isn't whether the engine will hold up, the problems are with every other component that wasn't built for such a long life > the cdi engine is far superior to your car's engine. That again depends on your criteria of superior. > my 124 had more miles on than yours and it is still going, so you don't need to preach > to me about longevity, nonetheless in my opinion the MB diesels are on > borrowed time once they hit more than 300k miles. The question isn't > whether the engine will hold up, the problems are with every other > component that wasn't built for such a long life True. 300K miles for a typically North American maintained benz is pushing it, yes. Though I've spoken to 5 or 6 taxis drivers in Germany with the w124's and they had 700K-900K kilometers with original non-rebuilt engines and transmissions on them. Of course, taxi drivers know how to maintain their cars. cp > again. I just can't get over that you believe > a 6 year old MB is near it's design life. I thought he meant 1898. cp > >but your 98 is coming close to the end of it's design life and there > >is no reason to think that a newer CDI will not perform as well. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - cheers, guenter The new CDI cannot be that bad - they recently put 100,000 miles on each of several E classes in a month as a test, they ran the cars continually around the track. I am sure others here remember this. I hope to get this same engine ( but detuned ) when the new Sprinter becomes available in the USA. Hopefully the price will not be ridiculous. . The prices of the 1998-1999 models are ridiculous in this area. Way over priced, especially compared to a gas engine. If I could find one reasonable, I would pick one up. > For me it's whether to buy the e300td or the 95 320CDI .... tough choice > for [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>[Alternative: text/html] >>-=-=-=-=-=- |
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