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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / July 2006

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Wiring Harness for 300D

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MB - 28 Jun 2006 16:07 GMT
Has anyone else needed to replace the wiring harness on their 300D? I have a
1997 and have been told by my mechanic that this problem was common with
this model.

Thanks!
Tiger - 28 Jun 2006 21:05 GMT
That is wrong... totally wrong... it affect cars in early 1990. He is lying.
MB - 06 Jul 2006 18:16 GMT
Thanks for the reply. My mechanic showed me where the insulation had become
brittle and the wires were showing. A cheap fix would be to just tape them
up. I was getting a short that we couldn't trace. The computer wasn't
communicating either but we fixed it over the weekend.

Thanks again for your help!

> That is wrong... totally wrong... it affect cars in early 1990. He is
> lying.
Richard Sexton - 07 Jul 2006 00:13 GMT
>Thanks for the reply. My mechanic showed me where the insulation had become
>brittle and the wires were showing. A cheap fix would be to just tape them
>up. I was getting a short that we couldn't trace. The computer wasn't
>communicating either but we fixed it over the weekend.

What computer? This is a 124 I take it?

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Tiger - 07 Jul 2006 02:09 GMT
He said 1997 so it is a W210. Ever heard of W210 with wire problem?
MB - 18 Jul 2006 22:11 GMT
It happened to me again. The car has been stuttering and hesitating recently
and when I slowed down at an intersection, the car stalled and wouldn't
start. Good thing it wasn't "in" the intersection. I had the car towed to my
mechanic and he showed me the wiring to the EGR sensor was broken. He told
me that this was causing the stalling and to fix it would take replacing the
wiring harness costing me around $1200 with replacing the motor mounts.

> He said 1997 so it is a W210. Ever heard of W210 with wire problem?
MB - 18 Jul 2006 23:40 GMT
Follow-up to my follow-up:

I tried to solder the wire back into the connector for the EGR sensor. It
wouldn't take so I just went ahead and disconnected the sensor altogether
and the car seems to be running better. Are there any dangers or risk to
disconnecting the EGR?

> It happened to me again. The car has been stuttering and hesitating
> recently and when I slowed down at an intersection, the car stalled and
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>
>> He said 1997 so it is a W210. Ever heard of W210 with wire problem?
T.G. Lambach - 19 Jul 2006 03:11 GMT
What do motor mounts have to do with the engine's wiring harness?

A damaged wiring harness must be replaced:

it won't fix itself,

its unreliability makes the car dangerous to drive,

the constant aggravation will drive you nuts,

the car can't be sold this way - even if you bought it so.

The pain can be lessened by installing the new harness yourself -
tedious, dirty and time consuming but no physically hard wrench pulling.

MB, stop thinking the mechanic is dishonest for IMHO you are being
dishonest, with yourself - about the lousy car that YOU bought!
Remember, nobody forced you to buy THIS car. You thought it was a
bargain - that's the worst kind of luxury car to buy, there are no bargains.
One pays up front for quality or later for having bought crap, but in
either case one pays!
MB - 19 Jul 2006 17:08 GMT
Nice! Thanks.

> What do motor mounts have to do with the engine's wiring harness?
>
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> One pays up front for quality or later for having bought crap, but in
> either case one pays!
Martin Joseph - 22 Jul 2006 07:58 GMT
> What do motor mounts have to do with the engine's wiring harness?
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> One pays up front for quality or later for having bought crap, but in
> either case one pays!

Yeah, but you pay a lot less then chumpy people lining up to buy new ones.
Geoff Miller - 19 Jul 2006 14:32 GMT
> I had the car towed to my mechanic and he showed me the wiring
> to the EGR sensor was broken. He told me that this was causing
> the stalling and to fix it would take replacing the wiring
> harness costing me around $1200 with replacing the motor mounts.

That sounds kind of drastic, just to deal with a broken wire going
to a specific component.  Reminds me of the usual dealership approach
to soaking customers: "While we're replacing that light bulb, we
might as well replace the alternator, the voltage regulator and the
wiring harness, just to make sure.  You wouldn't want your wife and
kids to be stranded someplace, would you?"

Why not just splice in a new length of wire?  Seems to me the
splice could be adequately weatherproofed with a coating of
grease inside some shrink tubing.  Badda-bing, badda-boom;
on the road agin' in no time.

Geoff

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Martin Joseph - 22 Jul 2006 07:59 GMT
> Why not just splice in a new length of wire?  Seems to me the splice
> could be adequately weatherproofed with a coating of
> grease inside some shrink tubing.  Badda-bing, badda-boom;
> on the road agin' in no time.

Ah yes, a man after my own heart.  I would probably pull the whole
harness off the car and then go over it carefully with a bright light
and a magnifier.  Wire and solder are cheap and not exactly rocket
science.

Marty
T.G. Lambach - 28 Jun 2006 21:25 GMT
Your "mechanic" seems to be looking to pick your pocket for this is the
first mention that '97 MY has such a problem. Earlier years had problems
with bad insulation on their wiring harnesses that caused shorts.

Does your car have a problem?
If so, what?
MB - 29 Jun 2006 01:00 GMT
Yes, the car will not start now. It turns out that the person who I bought
it from did not replace the covers over the electronics. Water has gotten
inside the components and the service guy has had the car for 2 weeks and
says the wiring harness is cracked and the engine control module may be
damaged and need replacing. The glowplug light has never come on. Bottomline
is the car is a mess right now.

Thanks for your help!

> Your "mechanic" seems to be looking to pick your pocket for this is the
> first mention that '97 MY has such a problem. Earlier years had problems
> with bad insulation on their wiring harnesses that caused shorts.
>
> Does your car have a problem?
> If so, what?
Richard Sexton - 29 Jun 2006 01:25 GMT
>Yes, the car will not start now. It turns out that the person who I bought
>it from did not replace the covers over the electronics. Water has gotten
>inside the components and the service guy has had the car for 2 weeks and
>says the wiring harness is cracked and the engine control module may be
>damaged and need replacing. The glowplug light has never come on. Bottomline
>is the car is a mess right now.

Engine control module? What state are you in?

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T.G. Lambach - 29 Jun 2006 07:13 GMT
I apologize to your mechanic, after the back story is exposed.

Was this car in a flood?
Have YOU ever driven it?
If so, how was the engine started then?
If not, I hope the car was free, or almost so for this is going to cost
some $$.
Suggest you buy a wrecked twin and scavenge it for the needed parts for
there will be a bunch.
MB - 06 Jul 2006 23:17 GMT
The car would not start and the mechanic couldn't connect to the computer so
he wanted to start replacing parts to eliminate the possible problems. He
showed me the terminals of the harness and that they were corroded with the
insulation cracking. He said this was typical of this model.

> Your "mechanic" seems to be looking to pick your pocket for this is the
> first mention that '97 MY has such a problem. Earlier years had problems
> with bad insulation on their wiring harnesses that caused shorts.
>
> Does your car have a problem?
> If so, what?
 
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