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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / July 2006

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Why not bluetec in all diesel engines   ?

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greek_philosophizer - 21 Jul 2006 16:52 GMT
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=116192

This article states the E has Bluetec and the GL does not.

Why is that since without Bluetec they cannot sell the car in 5 USA
states    ?  

Does anybody know    ?  

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zenit - 21 Jul 2006 18:12 GMT
On 21 Jul 2006 08:52:48 -0700,
"greek_philosophizer" <greek_philosophizer@hotmail.com>
had to open a new box of zerones to say:

>http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=116192
>
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>
>Does anybody know    ?  

The GL is considered a concept unit... It's the test bed for the
AdBlue system, which is a urea injection process designed to increase
mileage while taking emissions even lower... The problem, at the
moment, is that the urea is carried in a separate 6 gallon reservoir
which can only be topped-up by the dealer... I don't know that their
aim is to further engineer the system to an owner servicing or not,
but that might be less than appealing to some...

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zenit
T.G. Lambach - 21 Jul 2006 19:46 GMT
The 45 state V-6 diesel will be available in '07 models; '08 model
BlueTec V-6s will be sold in 50 states. The article doesn't make this
time line clear, IMHO.
OM - 22 Jul 2006 10:00 GMT
My understanding is that EPA and CARB want assurance that the owners or
operators would be faithful to filling up a separate tank with urea
solution every time it empties. Without urea solution, the emission
worsens considerably. They have not approved the Bluetec diesel motor
yet because of that aforementioned reason.

I wonder about the availability of urea solutions in the desolated areas
of America West where one can drive for miles and miles without seeing
much of civilisations. (Golly, how I miss those road trips through that
region!)

I can think of feature that cut the terminal speed to the embarrassingly
20mph should the urea solution tank is empty. If not, no functioning
radio, no functioning air-conditioning, no functioning power windows, ad
infinitum until the lazy drivers wise up. Yet, I know owners aren't
really slack about their Mercedes-Benz.

I would feel that Mercedes-Benz ought give away urea solution, even the
bottles at the owners' home the first year, until the network of filling
stations add the dispensers.

> http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=116192
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zenit - 22 Jul 2006 14:56 GMT
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:00:26 +0200,
OM <om@none.net>
had to open a new box of zerones to say:

>My understanding is that EPA and CARB want assurance that the owners or
>operators would be faithful to filling up a separate tank with urea
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>much of civilisations. (Golly, how I miss those road trips through that
>region!)

The tank holds 6.8 gallons and uses 0.6 gallons per 1000 miles... If
my math is right, that comes out to about 4000 miles before the tank
needs filling again... My question is, why don't they increase the
capacity of the tank to match the regular maintenance schedule...

>I can think of feature that cut the terminal speed to the embarrassingly
>20mph should the urea solution tank is empty. If not, no functioning
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OM - 22 Jul 2006 17:58 GMT
[snip]

> The tank holds 6.8 gallons and uses 0.6 gallons per 1000 miles... If
> my math is right, that comes out to about 4000 miles before the tank
> needs filling again... My question is, why don't they increase the
> capacity of the tank to match the regular maintenance schedule...

Yes, I heard the same. That given figure (or should I say consumption)
is theoretical and might not reflect the real world driving experience.
It is pretty much the same for oil change (some can go longer or shorter
between the oil changes, depending on their driving temperances).
Me - 22 Jul 2006 18:32 GMT
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> pretty much the same for oil change (some can go longer or shorter between
> the oil changes, depending on their driving temperances).
The figures I had seen before were different, it is obvious that 4000 miles
is not sufficient for a service interval where 20 000 miles should not be
impossible. I then have to agree with the previous posts.
Tiger - 22 Jul 2006 19:03 GMT
Mmm... how about a check engine light and limp home mode on when urea is
empty or super low?
Martin Joseph - 22 Jul 2006 19:27 GMT
> Mmm... how about a check engine light and limp home mode on when urea
> is empty or super low?

Maybe the car could email the EPA if you don't refill it and you keep
driving  ;~)

Crazy modern vehicles.  I warning light/annoying chime then limp mode
sounds reasonable to me also.

Marty
Nihil - 24 Jul 2006 16:06 GMT
>> Mmm... how about a check engine light and limp home mode on when urea
>> is empty or super low?
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>
> Marty

But we all have a ready supply of urea. Why don't Mercedes supply a
simple reduction machine heated by the exhaust to concentrate urine for
use in the Bluetec diesels?
greek_philosophizer - 24 Jul 2006 16:25 GMT
> But we all have a ready supply of urea. Why don't Mercedes supply a
> simple reduction machine heated by the exhaust to concentrate urine for
> use in the Bluetec diesels?

The ultimate redneck urinal, straight from the drivers seat to the
bluetec container...

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Tiger - 25 Jul 2006 00:22 GMT
LOL... A new breed of MB owners.
Martin Joseph - 25 Jul 2006 04:40 GMT
> LOL... A new breed of MB owners.

Hey now!  Don't forget Mcbrue...
Tiger - 25 Jul 2006 13:25 GMT
 
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