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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / August 2006

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Why buy diesel when vegetable oil is cheaper

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greek_philosophizer - 24 Jul 2006 16:22 GMT
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/automobiles/23FRY.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

As he sees it, even paying full price for new vegetable oil is better
than buying fossil fuel. "If I don't have enough filtered used oil,
I'll go out and buy new oil for my car," he said. "I can get
vegetable oil for $2.45 a gallon, and diesel fuel goes for $3.09 around
here - and that's not counting the additional cost of what it does
to the environment.

.
T.G. Lambach - 24 Jul 2006 23:58 GMT
I read that article and thought the idea - how shall I say this - quaint.

OK, OK if one hates oil companies it's cool to shun ole diesel #2 for
veggie oil  BUT,

1. what a mess to deal with on a DIY basis - I didn't read about free
dry cleaning for spills onto one's clothing

2. the economics work only if one has access to free fuel stocks - like
the interviewed restaurant owner - one can buy a lot of fuel for the
conversion kit's cost

3. the car's trunk space is compromised by the additional fuel tank.

All this to avoid diesel #2?

Now, Biodiesel-20 or Biodiesel-100 is something to be bought - at a gas
station.
John Mauel - 25 Jul 2006 02:37 GMT
>I read that article and thought the idea - how shall I say this - quaint.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the interviewed restaurant owner - one can buy a lot of fuel for the
> conversion kit's cost

And. . . if the veggie oil remains untaxed.  Hands up all those who think
any government is going to allow any significant amout of revenue to be lost
if people start switching in large numbers.  (assuming of course there is
enough veggie oil around to be swiched to.)

> 3. the car's trunk space is compromised by the additional fuel tank.
>
> All this to avoid diesel #2?
>
> Now, Biodiesel-20 or Biodiesel-100 is something to be bought - at a gas
> station.
The Spanish Inquisition - 26 Jul 2006 11:43 GMT
> And. . . if the veggie oil remains untaxed.  Hands up all those who think
> any government is going to allow any significant amout of revenue to be lost
> if people start switching in large numbers.  (assuming of course there is
> enough veggie oil around to be swiched to.)

Is your diesel taxed in the US? What are you paying? We pay $5.40 per
gallon diesel. That's what I call taxing!

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Tiger - 26 Jul 2006 19:22 GMT
Yes, we are taxed... and I just paid $2.79 a gallon! LOL
John Mauel - 26 Jul 2006 21:12 GMT
Everything everywhere always taxed for ever and ever. Amen.
It's just a matter of how much.

John M.
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'94 E320s
Richard Sexton - 26 Jul 2006 21:39 GMT
>> And. . . if the veggie oil remains untaxed.  Hands up all those who think
>> any government is going to allow any significant amout of revenue to be lost
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Is your diesel taxed in the US? What are you paying? We pay $5.40 per
>gallon diesel. That's what I call taxing!

I pay $0.93 to $1.02 per litre for diesel here depending on where I
buy it.

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T.G. Lambach - 27 Jul 2006 00:30 GMT
US$3.40/US Gallon in California, same price as Premium Gasoline. Regular
Unleaded Gasoline US$3.10/US Gallon
Alotta Fagina - 27 Jul 2006 00:23 GMT
You wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/automobiles/23FRY.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> here - and that's not counting the additional cost of what it does
> to the environment.

More economic idiocy from the publication that regurgitates Paul Krugman.  
Why do these cretins believe an economy is static rather than dynamic?  If
more vehicles use veg-oil, that increases demand for veg-oil, which puts
pressure on supply, which raises veg-oil prices, which raises food prices,
which has a detrimental effect on the economy by shrinking families' income
after paying for the essentials.
Martin Joseph - 31 Jul 2006 04:01 GMT
> You wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> which raises food prices, which has a detrimental effect on the economy
> by shrinking families' income after paying for the essentials.

???  Not if they switch back to diesel, which will have dropped in
price due to slack demand.

And yes,  she knew that I knew that she knew, etc.
Alotta Fagina - 01 Aug 2006 13:53 GMT
You wrote:

>> You wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> ???  Not if they switch back to diesel, which will have dropped in
> price due to slack demand.

Yeah, like the entire country's commercial trucking fleet is going to
switch to Crisco.

Jeesh, some people are just plankton with fingernails.
greek_philosophizer - 31 Jul 2006 14:53 GMT
> More economic idiocy from the publication that regurgitates Paul Krugman.
> Why do these cretins believe an economy is static rather than dynamic?  If
> more vehicles use veg-oil, that increases demand for veg-oil, which puts
> pressure on supply, which raises veg-oil prices, which raises food prices,
> which has a detrimental effect on the economy by shrinking families' income
> after paying for the essentials.

Even though it is not uncommon to refer to people as cretins
it may not be a good idea since cretinism is a birth defect and
if someone suffering from that defect were to read your comment
they could be hurt and offended.

Perhaps greater demand for vegetable oil will help farmers worldwide.
and they will just plant more and be able to earn a good living which
might be much better than giving it to the oil companies which
collectively cleared about 40 billion this quarter ( I think ).

Sorry about the run on sentences. It is monday morning.

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Apple Dumpling - 31 Jul 2006 15:48 GMT
> > More economic idiocy from the publication that regurgitates Paul Krugman.
> > Why do these cretins believe an economy is static rather than dynamic?  If
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> .

If this really catchs on, the government will figure a way to tax it as
a motor fuel like gasoline.  You go into Safeway and pay a $1 tax on
Mazola.
Alotta Fagina - 01 Aug 2006 06:10 GMT
You wrote:

> If this really catchs on, the government will figure a way to tax it as
> a motor fuel like gasoline.  You go into Safeway and pay a $1 tax on
> Mazola.

Nah, the fag lobby would prevent that.
Alotta Fagina - 01 Aug 2006 14:00 GMT
You wrote:

>> More economic idiocy from the publication that regurgitates Paul
>> Krugman. Why do these cretins believe an economy is static rather than
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> if someone suffering from that defect were to read your comment
> they could be hurt and offended.

I'm offended by people who are pretentious enough to butt in on behalf of
others whom they believe may be offended.  How are you going to revise your
posting style to avoid offending me?  Obviously avoiding offense is a
priority of yours.
 
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