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Anyone drive a B200? Impressions?

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Guenter Scholz - 01 Aug 2006 18:13 GMT
seems my wife being ever practical appears to like this model the most.  On
the positive side, if I must have an automatic, then at least this model has
one of the continuously variable one.... that's got to help on consumption.
I'm wondering though if the turbo is even worthwhile for a multifunction
all around useful car which it will be.

Any feedback appreciated

cheers, guenter
ws - 02 Aug 2006 00:20 GMT
> seems my wife being ever practical appears to like this model the most.  On
> the positive side, if I must have an automatic, then at least this model has
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>
> cheers, guenter

Heh, does "multifunction all around useful car" include the times when
husband wants to feel "manly"? If so, yes, the turbo could be
worthwhile. ;-)

Cheers,
ws

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Guenter Scholz - 02 Aug 2006 17:23 GMT
>> seems my wife being ever practical appears to like this model the most.  On
>> the positive side, if I must have an automatic, then at least this model has
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>Cheers,
>ws

    good point, alas with the CVT (cont var tranny) it stays pretty much
at 1800 rpm and the rush of adrenalin when nearing redline is just not there

   Can I ask though on another topic, my R134 refrigerant is low (just had
it converted and repaired last summer) and in Canada we are analy retentive
re topping up refigerant.  Is this also the case in the US - NY state
specifically?

cheers, guenter
greek_philosophizer - 02 Aug 2006 19:52 GMT
>      good point, alas with the CVT (cont var tranny) it stays pretty much
> at 1800 rpm and the rush of adrenalin when nearing redline is just not there
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>
> cheers, guenter

It gets warm in Canada?

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Guenter Scholz - 03 Aug 2006 03:36 GMT
>>      good point, alas with the CVT (cont var tranny) it stays pretty much
>> at 1800 rpm and the rush of adrenalin when nearing redline is just not there
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>
>It gets warm in Canada?

    Hell, yeah, we must of hit 78 F or so the other day.  Geeesh!

swelteringly near the air conditioner at home, guenter
OM - 03 Aug 2006 08:52 GMT
>>>      good point, alas with the CVT (cont var tranny) it stays pretty much
>>> at 1800 rpm and the rush of adrenalin when nearing redline is just not there
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>
> swelteringly near the air conditioner at home, guenter

Only 78 F? That's not sweltering hot! Try 90s and 100s with high
humidity index!
Richard Sexton - 03 Aug 2006 17:07 GMT
>It gets warm in Canada?

Yeah, usually on a tuesday in August. It was 35C at midnight two days ago
and about 47+ with the humidex later in the day. Then we had a tornado
last night which cooled thigns down a lot. Half a willow tree fell
down in frotn of my house and missed my SD by 4 inches. THANK YOU GOD.

There's trees down all over the place here. I saw on the weather
channel a hardwae store somewhere near here got blown away where
it touched down and heard from the checkout girls in the grocery
store this morning that a whole (small) town north of Barry's Bay
is missing.

I had no electricity for 12 hours last night.

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Guenter Scholz - 03 Aug 2006 17:42 GMT
>>It gets warm in Canada?
>
>Yeah, usually on a tuesday in August. It was 35C at midnight two days ago
>and about 47+ with the humidex later in the day. Then we had a tornado

    ...... ahhh, you spoiled it  :-)  ..... I was going to see just how
true the well known - in Canada - addage re our fellow North americans to the
south of us  :-)  I imagine none of them ever saw the TV spot "talking to
Americans" by Mercer... :-) eg. Prof at UCLA congratulating us on the adoption
of the 24 hr day and the abolishment of Igloos by Cretin etc etc

- cheers, guenter

ps re the 47+ humidex temperature, that translates to 117+ F for those still
using antiquated systems.
Richard Sexton - 04 Aug 2006 02:18 GMT
>    ...... ahhh, you spoiled it  :-)  ..... I was going to see just how
>true the well known - in Canada - addage re our fellow North americans to the
>south of us  :-)  I imagine none of them ever saw the TV spot "talking to
>Americans" by Mercer... :-) eg. Prof at UCLA congratulating us on the adoption
>of the 24 hr day and the abolishment of Igloos by Cretin etc etc

God bless the brown nose schooner and all that sail in her. I wanna see
Rick Mercer and John Stewart together reading the news. I'd pay big money to
see that.

Mercers piece on "How to roll a joint" by Pierre Burton is I think the
funniest thing I've ever seen on TV.
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greek_philosophizer - 04 Aug 2006 14:58 GMT
> >    ...... ahhh, you spoiled it  :-)  ..... I was going to see just how
> >true the well known - in Canada - addage re our fellow North americans to the
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> Mercers piece on "How to roll a joint" by Pierre Burton is I think the
> funniest thing I've ever seen on TV.

What is the well known adage?

Does it have anything to do with a boastful, ignorant people
who have confused good luck with innate superiority?

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Guenter Scholz - 04 Aug 2006 20:32 GMT
>> >    ...... ahhh, you spoiled it  :-)  ..... I was going to see just how
>> >true the well known - in Canada - addage re our fellow North americans to the
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>Does it have anything to do with a boastful, ignorant people
>who have confused good luck with innate superiority?

    Ahhmm, 'OK'.... in deference to others on this board, let me just
say 'extreme naval gazing' !  For example, I'd venture to say that 95% of
them can't find Toronto on the map.... London, England, maybe with some luck
:-) ...... but there IS a very astute subset among them  .... flame suit on!

cheers, guenter
:-))
Martin Joseph - 03 Aug 2006 07:10 GMT
> seems my wife being ever practical appears to like this model the most.
>  On the positive side, if I must have an automatic, then at least this
> model has
> one of the continuously variable one.... that's got to help on consumption.
> I'm wondering though if the turbo is even worthwhile for a multifunction
> all around useful car which it will be.

It seems to me that most of the feedback on this model here has been
extremely negative about quality control and overall product quality...

Don't really know, can't get 'em around these parts (USA).

Marty
Guenter Scholz - 03 Aug 2006 18:02 GMT
>> seems my wife being ever practical appears to like this model the most.
>>  On the positive side, if I must have an automatic, then at least this
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>It seems to me that most of the feedback on this model here has been
>extremely negative about quality control and overall product quality...

 thanks for that Marty, hadn't realized.  It did appear to be expensive,
almost double to what some Asian makers are asking for roughly similar vehicles

cheers, guenter
Dori A Schmetterling - 04 Aug 2006 11:10 GMT
Isn't an A-Class much better value?

Saw several Bs here (am on holiday in Austria) and must say I don't like the
views from the rear (like an Aygo or something?) or the front (echoes of PT
Cruiser).

Side view ok...

DAS

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>>> seems my wife being ever practical appears to like this model the most.
>>>  On the positive side, if I must have an automatic, then at least this
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>
> cheers, guenter
Guenter Scholz - 04 Aug 2006 20:28 GMT
>Isn't an A-Class much better value?
>
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>
>Side view ok...

    I agree, B is too expensive.  the A is not imported to Canada.

cheers, guenter
Juergen . - 01 Sep 2006 20:23 GMT
Hallo Guenter,

sorry for stepping in late, but had to wait until
my sister got her B200 CDI (W245.208)

Although the quality impression of e.g the dashboard
is better than with the (new) A-Class I find it to
be clearly below what I expect from such an expensive
vehicle (29.000 Euro base, can easily reach 40.000,
German prices, include 16 percent German VAT).

Rear view (especially to the sides) is close to zero,
means you _have_ to order the PARKTRONIC, front view
is not really better with the lower parts of the car
so as a consequence DC only offers front and rear
PARKTRONIC.

Overall quality impression is not that good, some
parts like the seats or door panels (close to)
adequate for a 30k EURO vehicle, other things like
paint (slight difference between metal body parts
and plastic parts like bumpers; colour is 748 comete
grey metallic, a colour here in Germany very poular
with W245) are sub-par and engine hood is really
catastrophic:
1970's style hood support strut, has to be pulled
out of it's retainer and then to be swung upwards
to be inserted into an yellow recess on the underside
of the hood - no hydraulic lifts which hold the hood,
no springs like in the old W123, just a simple hood
retainer... ===:-(((

...and shall I mention there's also no sound insulation
pad under the hood?

To say it nicely: That shabby for such an expensive car!

Due to the sandwich floor e.g for elder people it may
not be convenient to climb onto the seats, but once
reached it gives a nice overview over many other cars
as the B-Class is 10 to 19 cm (4 to 7.5 inch) higher
than normal cars like C-Class etc.;
DC labels the B-Class as Multi Purpose Vehicle - a
bit far stretched IMHO.

The standard trim level of the B-Class is not bad,
the B 200 CDI includes things like 6-speed man trans,
parameter steering, selective damping system,
electrically adjustable and heated door mirrors,
front fog lamps, 12 Volt socket in passenger
compartment, manual air conditioning, front centre
armrest, height adjustable driver's seat, illuminated
and air conditioned glove compartment, luggage
compartment cover, MB audio 20 radio w/CD, multi-
function steering wheel, outside temperature gauge,
electric front windows, ABS, BAS, ESP, ASR,
6 airbags, active headrests, steer control, tyre
pressure loss warning system, remote central locking,
seatbelt tensioners etc. - not bad, really.

BUT on the other hand even metallic paint costs
extra, as well as Xenon headlights, navigation system,
sunroof, leather upholstery, easy vario system and
storage package (Did anybody say _Multi Purpose vehicle_?)
as well as tempomat (cruise control for man trans
vehicles) or AUTOTRONIC auto trans, automatic climate
control or rear electric windows or telephone pre-
wiring or...

B 200 CDI engine is ok, fast enough, but of course
a bit loud (at least on the outside - CDI...).

AUTOTRONIC: depends on, some like it, some not.

In the glove box compartment were connections for
an Apple iPOD (an option, iPOD interface kit), but
the software to show the ID3-tags on the radio
(here: Audio 50 APS) is not ready yet, only a later
DC software update will give that, so long one has
to live without it...
..and what puts even more shame on DC is the fact
that the iPOD interface kit from Dietz _does_ show
the ID3-tags...   ==:-(

All-in-all: Very high price, even higher with with
AUTOTRONIC, auto climate, metallic, sunroof, Xenon
and navi.
Quality level not on level with price.

Would I buy it? No. But YMMV.

Juergen
P.S.: Sheeeesh, don't tell my sister, she likes the
car and that's fine ;-)
greek_philosophizer - 01 Sep 2006 23:43 GMT
> Hallo Guenter,
>
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> P.S.: Sheeeesh, don't tell my sister, she likes the
> car and that's fine ;-)

Juergen,  you could write auto reviews for commercial publications.
That was more thorough than most that I read.

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Juergen . - 02 Sep 2006 02:50 GMT
(I wrote some comments about an B200 CDI)

> Juergen,  you could write auto reviews for commercial publications.
> That was more thorough than most that I read.

Too much honour - really.

Besides some mistakes like
> > Quality level not on level with price.
which should read
> > Quality level not on par with price
there is _many_ aspects missing.

> > AUTOTRONIC: depends on, some like it, some not.

Here I have to add that I was a bit surprised DC went
the AUTOTRONIC route, but they claimed they choose it
due to the very limited space in the A-Class.
The AUTOTRONIC is a CVT (Continuous Variable
Transmission, the gears are only programmed by
software.
See e.g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission

As far as I can see it (at least here in Germany)
the DSG (Direktschaltgetriebe = Direct-Shift Gearbox)
is winning many fans, especially with Volkswagen Golf
and Skoda Octavia.
See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

But time will tell, especially when the cars collect
more and more miles/kilometers and one can judge about
longevity of both systems.

A thing which I found remarkable was the long reach of
the radio controlled remote locking which was (with
nearly free sight to the car) circa 50 metres - that's
impressive.

Another remarkable thing for me was the interiour with
leather ARTICO combined with cloth: ARTICO is an
artificial leather (to avoid the term "plastic") and
didn't feel any better than in my old W123, although
admittedly it looks much nicer today.

I would strongly recommend to order either the ARTICO/
cloth combination (middle parts of the seats are cloth
then) or the real leather as caused by the height of
the seats (sandwicdh floor concept as with A-Class)
one has always intensive contact with the seat's sides
facing outwards when leaving and especially entering the
car - as can be seen with newer W123 which don't have
such a combination the seat sides rub through, an effect
which is vitually non-existent with fake or real leather.

The 10-spoke alu wheels - which are part of the Sports
package - are a pain to clean.

The rear window is very small, a trend which can be
seen since years with new cars. Worst car I have seen
so far in person is BMW 1-series, but B-Class is also
bad, the see-through area is small as outer parts of
the rear window are blackened.

And of course it's a matter of personal taste, but
I found the oval exhaust pipe (part of Sports Package)
somehow displaced.

A cell phone can be installed in the front center armrest,
but the sliding tray looks a bit flimsy and cheap -
and I don't elaborate further that the opened tray comes
to rest exactly above the cup holder...

Ok, enough for now, I only add that the rear center
armrest is thin and very short...

DC claims B_Class sales are very good in Germany, but
on the other hand there are huge discounts for taxis -
and since mid-July there is a hidden rebate for all,
the so-called Active Package, consisting of fog lamps,
panorama roof, tempomat, exteriour light and sight
package and some other goodies

Juergen
Guenter Scholz - 03 Sep 2006 03:51 GMT
Fantastic Review of the B200 Juergen.  Many thanks!  I had intended it for
my wife....... who didn't particularly like it especially after she test
drove a 3 series .... she was sold on it instantly.  For myself, I still
like my old '89 300E more than ever.... don't need all those fancy things
the newer models offer.  What are you driving by the way?

best, guenter  

>Hallo Guenter,
>
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>P.S.: Sheeeesh, don't tell my sister, she likes the
>car and that's fine ;-)
Juergen . - 06 Sep 2006 22:25 GMT
> my wife....... who didn't particularly like it especially after she test
> drove a 3 series .... she was sold on it instantly.  For myself, I still

Although I did like the design of the 3-series
predecessor more than that of the current model,
I can fully understand that.

> like my old '89 300E more than ever.... don't need all those fancy things
> the newer models offer.  What are you driving by the way?

My MB is a totally worthless 1982 W123 240D - only
options are auto trans, power steering, manual sunroof,
central locking, front center armrest and right-hand
side outside rear view mirror (and a radio of course).
Nothing else, no a/c, no power windows, no cruise
control, no alloys, no nothing - not even tinted windows!

And although many younger MB fans can't believe it, my
car has more options than the vast majority of W123
diesels of that time...

Juergen
P.S.: Power is 72 PS, 0-62.1 mph = 24.7 sec.,
top speed is _nearly_ ;-) 86 mph  ;-))))
 
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