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jdsm711 - 21 Aug 2006 01:50 GMT
i have a 1982 mercedes 300sd that i am unable to get into trunk.the key
fails to open it for some reason.any help will be useful and thanks in
advance.
Karl - 21 Aug 2006 03:57 GMT
Are you using the square headed key and is it turning?

> i have a 1982 mercedes 300sd that i am unable to get into trunk.the key
> fails to open it for some reason.any help will be useful and thanks in
> advance.
Tiger - 21 Aug 2006 15:09 GMT
Yes but more likely your alarm system is causing this problem... use driver
door to lock and unlock the car until you can pop the trunk. The trunk key
hole must be in horizontal position. Once trunk is unlocked, go to passenger
side front seat under the floor mats and plastic... unhook the harness and
tape it up.
Richard Sexton - 21 Aug 2006 17:13 GMT
>i have a 1982 mercedes 300sd that i am unable to get into trunk.the key
>fails to open it for some reason.any help will be useful and thanks in
>advance.

Get a can of graphite libricant. It usually comes in a spray can
with alcohol as a carrier. Spray it in there.

What usually happnes is the lock mechanism gets all gummed up
and the key won't turn (although it usually will if you use pliers
but you run the risk of breakig the key).

That lock is supposed to be libricated with graphite once a year.

Many people will use WD40 whch works short term but turns to hard
gum and makes the problem worse long term.

Squirting some rubbing alcohol in there usually works too. This is
what "lock de-icer" is. But that just frees it up you still need
to lubricate it with graphite to fix it in the longer term.

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Roger Shoaf - 24 Aug 2006 05:37 GMT
> Get a can of graphite libricant. It usually comes in a spray can
> with alcohol as a carrier. Spray it in there.
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> what "lock de-icer" is. But that just frees it up you still need
> to lubricate it with graphite to fix it in the longer term.

Richard,

I am a locksmith and have seen many locks apart and on the bench.

A couple of observations.  First WD40 is mostly solvent and does not turn to
a hard gum.

Graphite works great as a lock lubricant, but if you apply it to a lock that
has grease inside, you get carbon impacted grease that can be a mechanical
problem as it takes up space that the tumblers need to wiggle and slide.

The big advantage to WD40 is that it is cheap and everyone seems to have a
can or two around the house.  If the lock is gummy, flushing with WD40 until
the outflow runs clear will not hurt anything.  Once the solvent evaporates
then a puff or two of powdered graphite is great.

The real gummy stuff are products like 3 in One oil they will suck up dust
and then dry to a sticky goo.

Products like carb cleaner are good for degreasing a lock, but you have to
be careful as they might damage the paint.

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Richard Sexton - 24 Aug 2006 17:21 GMT
>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>A couple of observations.  First WD40 is mostly solvent and does not turn to
>a hard gum.

Not really. It's an oil dissolved in a petrolium carrier. Eventually the oil
does what all oils do - gets thicker with age.

MB recommends graphics and nothing else for locks. Locks that have had
years of WD40 sprayed into them eventuallyget tobe a gummy mess. All you
can do is chean them throroughly then lubricate properly with graphite.

>Graphite works great as a lock lubricant, but if you apply it to a lock that
>has grease inside, you get carbon impacted grease that can be a mechanical
>problem as it takes up space that the tumblers need to wiggle and slide.

True.

>The big advantage to WD40 is that it is cheap and everyone seems to have a
>can or two around the house.  If the lock is gummy, flushing with WD40 until
>the outflow runs clear will not hurt anything.  Once the solvent evaporates
>then a puff or two of powdered graphite is great.

True but you are leaving a petrolium lock residue behind. Once or twice probably
won't hurt it but long term, using this stuff regularly does caue problems. Lots
of people have noticed this with their cars.

>Products like carb cleaner are good for degreasing a lock, but you have to
>be careful as they might damage the paint.

Alcohol seems to work ok. Any polar solvent will really...

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Roger Shoaf - 26 Aug 2006 00:29 GMT
> >"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
> >A couple of observations.  First WD40 is mostly solvent and does not turn to
> >a hard gum.
>
> Not really. It's an oil dissolved in a petrolium carrier. Eventually the oil
> does what all oils do - gets thicker with age.

Yes there is a thin oil film left after the solvent evaporates.  Now just
how sticky or gummy is it?  Try this, take a coin and wash it with
dishwashing soap. When dry spray it with WD40.  Set it aside and let it dry
out.  Now feel the surface.

> MB recommends graphics and nothing else for locks. Locks that have had
> years of WD40 sprayed into them eventuallyget tobe a gummy mess. All you
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>
> True but you are leaving a petrolium lock residue behind.

From the factory the locks are greased.  That is a lot of petrolium residue,
the thin film left behind from WD40 is a whole lot less.  It does no harm,
but admititly it is not the worlds greatest lube.

I would qualify the "does no harm" in circunstances like wheel bearings that
are suposed to be packed in grease, there it would flush out the grease
leaving the bearing without enough lube.  In my experience as a locksmith
since 1977 most lubrication problems in locks are from not lubricating them,
hence the "does no harm" position.

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Once or twice probably

> won't hurt it but long term, using this stuff regularly does caue problems. Lots
> of people have noticed this with their cars.
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>
> Alcohol seems to work ok. Any polar solvent will really...
Richard Sexton - 28 Aug 2006 16:18 GMT
>> does what all oils do - gets thicker with age.
>
>Yes there is a thin oil film left after the solvent evaporates.  Now just
>how sticky or gummy is it?  Try this, take a coin and wash it with
>dishwashing soap. When dry spray it with WD40.  Set it aside and let it dry
>out.  Now feel the surface.

Now do it every year for 10 years. That's the point - with *age* the oil
turns into a gum and is why you don't want to shoot WD40 into the lock of
a Mercedes. Them parts get all gummed if in time if you keep doing this. Which
is why the *factory* insists on graphite *only*.

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jdsm711 - 30 Oct 2006 00:05 GMT
the fuel pump is located on driver's side near the injection system.there
is three nuts holding the pump on but they seem impossible to get to.
please help in informing me on what to do and if any special tool are
need. thanks in advance for any help given.  jdsm711
Mauricio Tavares - 31 Oct 2006 18:43 GMT
> the fuel pump is located on driver's side near the injection system.there
> is three nuts holding the pump on but they seem impossible to get to.
> please help in informing me on what to do and if any special tool are
> need. thanks in advance for any help given.  jdsm711

    They should all be 13mm.  If I am not wrong there is also a bracket on
the back of the pump but even that one is not that hard. Just take your
time. Now, remember that you have to get the timming right, so oyu may
want to leave the engine at TDC.

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tsdelaney@yahoo.com - 24 Aug 2006 15:17 GMT
Hi there,

My '84 SD sometimes does the same thing. I unplugged the alarm, but
that didn't do anything. I think the latch mechanism is catching. If
you haven't seen it, there's a manual release wire on the floor, by the
driver's side of the back seat. Pull the wire a bit and try the trunk.

Worked for me.

Tim

> i have a 1982 mercedes 300sd that i am unable to get into trunk.the key
> fails to open it for some reason.any help will be useful and thanks in
> advance.
 
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