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300D 2.5 AC not working

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michael.j.sheehan@gmail.com - 23 Aug 2006 21:33 GMT
My AC is not working.  I tried to charge it but it will not take the
R134.  It did last year.  I have a slow leak.  

Ideas?
Geoff Miller - 23 Aug 2006 22:21 GMT
> My AC is not working.  I tried to charge it but it will not take
> the R134.  It did last year.  I have a slow leak.  

Take it to a shop and have them put some UV-sensitive dye put into
the system along with some more refrigerant.  When the A/C stops
working again, bring it back and have them use a black light to
track down the source of the leak.

Geoff

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michael.j.sheehan@gmail.com - 23 Aug 2006 23:15 GMT
Geoff,

I did that.  And they claim it was the low side intake value.  I
replaced that.  I tried to charge it today, but it would not take the
R134.  Could it be that the clutch is not engaged?

Mike

> > My AC is not working.  I tried to charge it but it will not take
> > the R134.  It did last year.  I have a slow leak.
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>  evidence that people who are as dumb as a bowl of mice can make a
>  good living, and even be considered cool." -- jthomas@pacbell.net
Tiger - 24 Aug 2006 01:26 GMT
What is the pressure when engine is not running? It need to be at least 50
or 60 PSI before the compressor kick on... and then it will start to take in
refrigerant.

If pressure is low, then hook it up and shake the can to force more pressure
until the compressor kick in and start to take more.
michael.j.sheehan@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2006 23:34 GMT
Thanks for the help, but that did not work either. What should the
pressure be on the loe side?
> What is the pressure when engine is not running? It need to be at least 50
> or 60 PSI before the compressor kick on... and then it will start to take in
> refrigerant.
>
> If pressure is low, then hook it up and shake the can to force more pressure
> until the compressor kick in and start to take more.
Tiger - 25 Aug 2006 01:35 GMT
When compressor is on and running... about 32PSI. When the compressor is not
running, it is about 90PSI.

What is your current PSI? with engine off? engine on?
Geoff Miller - 25 Aug 2006 04:51 GMT
[dye plus a top-up of refrigerant]

> Geoff,

> I did that.  And they claim it was the low side intake value.  I
> replaced that.  I tried to charge it today, but it would not take the
> R134.  Could it be that the clutch is not engaged?

It's entirely possible, although I don't see why that would prevent
the clutch from engaging.  I once had a situatioan with my 300CD in
which I could tell the clutch was engaging (I could feel the slight
loss of power when it kicked in), but the A/C still blew warm because
of depleted refrigerant.  Topping off the R12 worked for a couple of
months, and then the problem started again.

I'm at a loss, since your situation is beyond my experience.  At this
point I'll have to defer to somebody else with more in-depth knowledge
of air conditiong.

Geoff

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Tiger - 25 Aug 2006 16:13 GMT
It is possible he has compressor problem.
michael.j.sheehan@gmail.com - 25 Aug 2006 16:52 GMT
Engine off 50PSI engine on 50 PSI
> It is possible he has compressor problem.
Tiger - 25 Aug 2006 19:00 GMT
Your compressor is definitely not running. By the drier... driver side
behind the headlight... make sure the wires are all connected... if yes,
then I'd like you to bypass them... connect both wires together to force
your compressor to run.

In any case, if you dunk your R134a can into hot water, it will fill your
system to higher pressure... You must have low refrigerant in the current
can that it won't fill any further.
Tiger - 25 Aug 2006 20:01 GMT
Let me clarify... connect the pair together at each sensor with a wire or
tape.
Ernesto - 26 Aug 2006 04:46 GMT
> Let me clarify... connect the pair together at each sensor with a wire or
> tape.

Tiger's right. If you don't have enough pressure in your system because of
low refrigerant you need to by-pass the low-pressure switch located near the
drier mount. Again, this is located behind the passenger's side headlight
assembly. You will find a plug with two wires going to the low pressure
switch. Unplug the connector and insert a jumper wire between the two female
terminals in the plug, not the switch on the drier mount. This should cause
your compressor clutch to engage with your temperature switch turned to max
cold on your center counsel and the center button depressed. Make sure your
fan switch to the right of your five push buttons is set to either automatic
or max. One other note, make sure your engine is running when you do this
procedure.

If your compressor comes on simply set up your gauges and load up your
refrigerant on the low pressure side to somewhere between 35 and 40 psi. I
like to look at the sight gauge located down near the drier and continue
putting in refrigerant until the bubbles completely disappear. This is
usually the maximum you can achieve without overloading the compressor. Once
you've achieved this your system should blow cold, especially if you are
still using the old R-12 refrigerant. If you're using the newer R134a it
will cool good but, IMO, not as good as the R-12.

If your compressor doesn't come on when you insert the jumper wire in the
low-pressure switch you have other problems. If that's the case reply and we'll
take it from there.
 
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