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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2006Looked at the 07 S550.
Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old S420. The new one may be safer to drive. But the window glass is thiner and it sounds louder to me. Of course the seat coolers are nice even if not very effective. And the ac is still weak compared to the $10k amerikan kars. The clincher is that you have to take the 18" narrow-rim rapper-bling type tires. These burn off in about 15,000 miles. They cost about 1500 for a new set installed, balanced, and taxed. So that is a dime a mile for tires compared to my current approximate tire cost of 1/4 cents per mile!!! Even if I do have the money, that just seems like standing out in the parking lot pouring money down the drain. And I am not going to do it! With the current condition of the airlines you can't fly commercial. So we want to take a road trip through the west. Which means we would have to stop and put tires on during the trip!!! That is just not right for a car that costs that much. I currently get about 30 to 35000 miles on a set of H rated tires. So I know what these V or Z rated tires will do for me - about 15000 miles. Drat! The Lexii seem to have the same problem, and they say the BMWs do too. So it looks like I am back looking at the amerikan kars again. DRAT !!!!! I am not a bling bling rapper or drug dealer or gang shooter, so why do I have to drive their tires if I want a luxury car ???? NOT FAIR !!!! > Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about > $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > am not a bling bling rapper or drug dealer or gang shooter, so why do I > have to drive their tires if I want a luxury car ???? NOT FAIR !!!! mcbrue forgetfully under the bridge in the trailer down by the river Ximinez  SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A > > Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about > > $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Ximinez > -- Speaking of seats, I read a while back that Rolls Royce has the very best seats. I do not know if that is true or not. Perhaps it might be worth taking a look at Rolls, Bently and Maybach? . I agree. McB. you forgot to mention the Gas Guzzler Tax on the S550. I'm considering a new car and am not finding what I want in the "sports sedans" with their options packages of a, b, c & d when one only wants b. M-B used to offer an attractive options selection, no longer. This is cram down marketing. Sadly, the '07 E350 has a mandatory sunroof and 17" wheels with thinner tires than last year ensuring a harsher ride and more tire wear. I'm disappointed in the '07 models, so I'm mulling a used '06 S430 for about $60K instead. > I agree. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'm disappointed in the '07 models, so I'm mulling a used '06 S430 for > about $60K instead. eBay seems to have many of those 2006 S-Class models offered less than asking price. That is very particularly true about the option packages and model selections. I was disappointed that Mercedes-Benz of USA omitted C230 SportCoupé from 2006 model year when I was ready to buy one. Don't get me started about how SportCoupé look. They are quite popular in Denver and San Francisco. And the parking is murderous in San Francisco so it's lot easier with smaller profile than C230 Sedan. Mercedes-Benz of USA is focussing too much on the high-end products and bottom line than what the market truly wants. >> I agree. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Mercedes-Benz of USA is focussing too much on the high-end products and > bottom line than what the market truly wants. Oh, please! What you mean is that MBUSA is not focusing enough on what YOU want. Dealer's couldn't give those nasty little coupes away. THAT's why MBUSA stopped importing them. How about double glazed windows? http://www.rolls-roycemotorcars.com/lo-band/phantom_exterior_acoustics.htm . > Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about > $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > am not a bling bling rapper or drug dealer or gang shooter, so why do I > have to drive their tires if I want a luxury car ???? NOT FAIR !!!! >How about double glazed windows? The W140 chassis S class had these. They're great until you have to replace them. $$$$$. SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net > How about double glazed windows? > http://www.rolls-roycemotorcars.com/lo-band/phantom_exterior_acoustics.htm Yes, that looks nice... I don't see a "buy now" button on that web page though ;~) > Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about > $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old > S420. The new one may be safer to drive. But the window glass is thiner Hmm, a brand new S-class for only $93.000. I would not hessitate buying that car one minute. Paid more than 110.000$ for my 2005 C-class... SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ Well, yes. Denmark. But your pre-tax price should be good. If it hadn't been so relatively easy for me to buy my last Merc in Germany I might have investigated Denmark. Belgium, France and NL were dearer than Germany. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Hmm, a brand new S-class for only $93.000. I would not hessitate buying > that car one minute. Paid more than 110.000$ for my 2005 C-class... > Well, yes. Denmark. But your pre-tax price should be good. If it hadn't > been so relatively easy for me to buy my last Merc in Germany I might have > investigated Denmark. Belgium, France and NL were dearer than Germany. AFAIK, NL has the cheapest car prices, because we pay 40% tax on top of that. Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A When I did my research in 2000 DE was the cheapest among the countries mentioned (FR, BE, NL, DE). I am not saying there was a big gap. In the end I also managed to knock a few thousand marks of the list price, partly because I have a nice smile and partly because delivery suddenly got delayed by a few months. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- >> Well, yes. Denmark. But your pre-tax price should be good. If it >> hadn't been so relatively easy for me to buy my last Merc in Germany I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ximinez > Well, yes. Denmark. But your pre-tax price should be good. If it hadn't > been so relatively easy for me to buy my last Merc in Germany I might have > investigated Denmark. Belgium, France and NL were dearer than Germany. Actually Mercedes is a bit different than older makers regarding this. Mercedes prices in Denmark is not that different than the prices in Germany before any taxes is added. You do not save that much when buying the car in Denmark compared to other countries. SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ So why did (and maybe still do?) so many Germans go over the border (to DK) to save even on Golfs? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Actually Mercedes is a bit different than older makers regarding this. > Mercedes prices in Denmark is not that different than the prices in > Germany before any taxes is added. You do not save that much when buying > the car in Denmark compared to other countries. If I remember correctly, the tax on 2007 S500 is 180%, according to the official Mercedes-Benz price guide for Denmark. I understand that the Danish importers are doing everything to reduce the cost and taxation. I did some of comparison shopping between Germany and Denmark. The saving was about 5% which is probably not worth my trouble of travelling to Denmark; ordering one; waiting for one to arrive at the sales centre; travelling back to Denmark; exporting it back to Germany; having a word with the German custom officers; sorting the paperwork to obtain German registration, TüV approval, and numberplates; and so on... >> Well, yes. Denmark. But your pre-tax price should be good. If it hadn't >> been so relatively easy for me to buy my last Merc in Germany I might have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > before any taxes is added. You do not save that much when buying the car in > Denmark compared to other countries. > If I remember correctly, the tax on 2007 S500 is 180%, according to the That is correct. But do also remeber the 25% sales tax that is added before the 180% tax... > official Mercedes-Benz price guide for Denmark. I understand that the > Danish importers are doing everything to reduce the cost and taxation. I You will see that all that can be added as after sales will be added after the car has been sold by the dealer. If you for example buy the Comand system. It will cost you 12.500 USD if you buy it from the factory. If you get it installed later it will pretty much cost the same as if you bought it any were else in the world. Just added the 25% tax. > did some of comparison shopping between Germany and Denmark. The saving > was about 5% which is probably not worth my trouble of travelling to > Denmark; ordering one; waiting for one to arrive at the sales centre; > travelling back to Denmark; exporting it back to Germany; having a word > with the German custom officers; sorting the paperwork to obtain German > registration, TüV approval, and numberplates; and so on... I would no go that way either if I was living in Germany. But some do. My local dealer has just sold 1 CLS and 2 CLK going to Germany. SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ > > Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about > > $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Martin Kiefer > www.kiefer.dk/m/ A 280CDI M class. America is ready for those now. You are joking about the C class price? Taxes cannot be that bad. . > A 280CDI M class. Yes my wife bought this car ealier this year. We had been waiting since last fall before it finally arrived :-) Please notice that the license plates are yellow. This means that the car did not cost more than 80.000$. but then you have to remove the back seats...Otherwise the car would have a price tag saying 250.000 usd ... Yes we have a really strange tax system... > America is ready for those now. Will you get the CDI versions? > You are joking about the C class price? Taxes cannot be that bad. Not joking, first you have the basic price, then you add 25% sales tax, then you add 180% extra tax. finally you have paid the car 3 times before it is yours. I was standing in Stuttgart this summer looking at a brand new S-320 CDI that did cost exactly the same in Germany as i paid for my C180 in Denmark. so do not complain about car prices. BTW we pay 1½$ pr liter regular gasoline (5.6$ per gallon).. Did I mention trhat we pay 1.000 to 1.500$ pr. year in "green" taxes for a Mercedes? SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ >> A 280CDI M class. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Did I mention trhat we pay 1.000 to 1.500$ pr. year in "green" taxes for a > Mercedes? Perhaps we should make a comparison of what a certain MB model would cost in our respective countries. Purchase price, taxes, insurance, fuel for a year etc... Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A > Perhaps we should make a comparison of what a certain MB model would cost > in our respective countries. Purchase price, taxes, insurance, fuel for a > year etc... Could be interesting. SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ Look up the prices on the DC website and publish your table here.... DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- >> Perhaps we should make a comparison of what a certain MB model would cost >> in our respective countries. Purchase price, taxes, insurance, fuel for a >> year etc... > > Could be interesting. >> Perhaps we should make a comparison of what a certain MB model would cost >> in our respective countries. Purchase price, taxes, insurance, fuel for a >> year etc... > > Could be interesting. Well, looking at the current ('06) S500 here (SG), it costs SGD$408,000 = USD$250,000 just to buy it, inclusive of sales tax and a "certificate" which entitles one to drive it around for 10 years... :-P This is renewable for another 10 years at the prevailing price, now around US$7000. This doesn't include the annual road tax of SGD$7000 = USD$4,500. And of course, gas is $2.00/lt. = USD$4.81 /gal. and it gets at best about 19mpg? Comprehensive Insurance would be about $4K, I believe = US$2,500 So, running costs for the 1st year, assuming about 15K miles would set one back "only" about USD$10,000. or 4% of the car's value. :-O Regards, ws Signaturechange to leews to mail I see you have a 'UK' number plate... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > www.kiefer.dk/m/ Do I understand this correctly, that if you buy a car that sells for 100,000 the taxes will be about 180,000 so the total you have to pay is 280,000???? If that is true, y'all need to move to South Carolina where the sales tax will be about 300 and licensing another 300 or so for a total tax of around 600. Note that I have not put dollar signs or euro signs or whatever on the prices because I want to understand the situation involved. In SC here I would pay about $100,000 for a nearly fully equiiped base model 2007 S550. Base price is about $83,500 and I have to add $1,000 gas guzzler tax plus $795 delivery charge. The gas guzzler tax is only for cars that drink too much gas - for example the Lexus LS430 does not have it. Options like Premium 1, night vision, active suspension, steering wheel, horn, and door handles increase the price over the base price, of course. mcbrue shockedbyeurotaxly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river 96 S420 Yes. But only in certain countries and not only in Europe. You mean you did not know that some countries still impose penal taxes on cars? In the UK the tax is 'only' 17.5%, in Germany about the same. Will you guys now stop moaning about your taxes? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Do I understand this correctly, that if you buy a car that sells for > 100,000 the taxes will be about 180,000 so the total you have to pay is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 96 S420 > Do I understand this correctly, that if you buy a car that sells for > 100,000 the taxes will be about 180,000 so the total you have to pay is > 280,000???? If that is true, y'all need to move to South Carolina where Almost. But remeber that you need to add 25% sales tax to the 100.000 before the 180% tax... Lets take an example from the real world all prices in usd where 1 usd = 5,8 dkk: A Mercedes C350 model (203.056 12): Price before any taxes: 47.240,- Price with 25% sales tax: 59.050,- Then you get 1.942 deduction for some reason... The standard price is then 56.135,- Add the 180% tax (102785,-) you can the deduct 8.387,- for "green reasons" The price for the C-350 ends at 153.448. Compare that to the starting price 47.240... This is what the car costs in Denmark. And the prices are ofcourse without any extras! SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ > Lets take an example from the real world all prices in usd where 1 usd = > 5,8 dkk: Just to document the numbers: http://www.mercedes-benz.dk/personbiler/sedan/c-klasse/files/C-Klasse.pdf Look at the column "Salgspris" for the price we have to pay in DK for a C-class. The numbers is in danish kroner (1 usd = 5,8 dkk) Well since this tread was about the S-class: http://www.mercedes-benz.dk/personbiler/sedan/s-klasse/S-klasse_prisliste.pdf :-) SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ > mcbrue shockedbyeurotaxly under the bridge in the trailer down by the > river I have to agree, that I am also shocked by the level of those taxes. Especially on a c class CDI car? What the hell? I lived in New Hampshire for a short time and the license plates there bear the motto "Live free or Die" and they mean it. Wow, 25% tax and then 180% on top of that? There would be some big 'ol troubles here if'n they tried that. And you now see what a bargain the 07 S550 is at USD 90K... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Do I understand this correctly, that if you buy a car that sells for > 100,000 the taxes will be about 180,000 so the total you have to pay is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 96 S420 Wow! I don't see how anybody can live in a tax environment like that! Of course Ole Boy George Bush is driving the US that direction. mcbrue taxedlessly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river 96 S420 > Wow! I don't see how anybody can live in a tax environment like that! > Of course Ole Boy George Bush is driving the US that direction. It's not entirely fair to look at just one tax. Forbes has a nice comparison of the overall tax burdens in several countries: http://www.forbes.com/global/2006/0522/032a.html US scores 28%, Netherlands 40% and Denmark a horrible 50% (visual readings from the graph) > mcbrue taxedlessly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river If they can't find you... Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A > US scores 28%, Netherlands 40% and Denmark a horrible 50% (visual readings > from the graph) Well, you have to take a lot of things into considerations when you compare taxes from one country to another. Yes we pay nealy 50% tax. Buth then you do not have to pay for medical care at all, Education is free for everyone. Every student age 18 or more get 600$ per month for beeing in school (high school, college university etc..), The welfare system is considered one of the best in the world. So we do get a lot of things for the money we pay in taxes. But ofcourse in order to pay 300.000USD for a MB S-class you have to make 600.000 USD first... SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk >> US scores 28%, Netherlands 40% and Denmark a horrible 50% (visual readings >> from the graph) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > school, college university etc..), The welfare system is considered one of > the best in the world. Well, surely your country must by now be seeing the same signs as we are. A wonderful welfare system is very good at creating unmotivated unemployed people. The Netherlands have (or used to have) a great disability system. Anyone who cannot work anymore for medical reasons gets 70% of his last salary. Result: 1 million people who can't work for medical reasons (of 6.4 million total working people). Subsidize schooling and you get unmoivated students who just study because they don't have anything better to do anyway. Yes, the welfare state, tell me all about it. Count on the percentage to go up all by itself. > So we do get a lot of things for the money we pay in taxes. But ofcourse in You don't get it. Your government decides how you spend your money, what's so great about that? Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A > > So we do get a lot of things for the money we pay in taxes. But ofcourse in > > You don't get it. Your government decides how you spend your money, > what's so great about that? They spend it on things you need. . >>> So we do get a lot of things for the money we pay in taxes. But ofcourse in >> You don't get it. Your government decides how you spend your money, >> what's so great about that? > > They spend it on things you need. They take away your choice. Dutch medicine is not great, many waiting lists, bad service. We are all compulsory insured, the government decides what's covered. Thankfully we can now go to Belgium and get proper treatment, but people had to fight all the way to the European court for to get that right. Government knows best...! Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A And we go to France and Spain for 'proper' treatment... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] Thankfully we can now go to Belgium and get > proper treatment, but people had to fight all the way to the European > court for to get that right. Government knows best...! > > Ximinez [...] > And we go to France and Spain for 'proper' treatment... Do they not also have national health systems? . Certainly, but they are viewed in many quarters as being superior (EU's best hospitals in Spain, e.g., something I personally find hard to believe, but I have not been in even one). Still their financial deficits are probably not less impressive than ours. Wait for howls of protest as the French system gets trimed. DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- >> And we go to France and Spain for 'proper' treatment... > > Do they not also have national health systems? > > . > They take away your choice. Dutch medicine is not great, many waiting > lists, bad service. We are all compulsory insured, the government decides > what's covered. Thankfully we can now go to Belgium and get proper > treatment, but people had to fight all the way to the European court for > to get that right. Government knows best...! I think the dutch and the danish system look much alike. There has been a lot of improvements in the danish system regarden the right to choose the hospital you wish to get the treatment at. Maybe inspired from Holland? Actuelly there are people in Denmark stating that duthmen and danes are more alike that swedes and danes...To be honestm, i do not know if this is right. SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.d/m/ >> They take away your choice. Dutch medicine is not great, many waiting >> lists, bad service. We are all compulsory insured, the government decides [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Actuelly there are people in Denmark stating that duthmen and danes are more > alike that swedes and danes...To be honestm, i do not know if this is right. I've never been in Denmark myself but I remember a punk song from the seventies called "I hate the Dutch" (so obscure I can't even find it on Google). It went on for minutes about how bad the Dutch are and then the finale came: "There's only one type worse than them and that's the... Danes.". Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A > I've never been in Denmark myself but I remember a punk song from the > seventies called "I hate the Dutch" (so obscure I can't even find it on > Google). It went on for minutes about how bad the Dutch are and then the > finale came: "There's only one type worse than them and that's the... > Danes.". *LOL* let me know if you find it :-) SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ >>> US scores 28%, Netherlands 40% and Denmark a horrible 50% (visual >>> readings from the graph) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > don't have anything better to do anyway. Yes, the welfare state, tell me > all about it. Count on the percentage to go up all by itself. Yes, that is what we have been talking about those students in Germany. It has become apparent that more and more students are becoming 'perpetual scholars'. They would study for 10 years or so and achieve PhD only to work fewer years before collecting their pensions. It has become a problem in Sweden, too, with more and more people 'slacking off' and taking up more of welfare system. >> So we do get a lot of things for the money we pay in taxes. But >> ofcourse in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ximinez > schooling and you get unmoivated students who just study because they > don't have anything better to do anyway. Yes, the welfare state, tell me > all about it. Count on the percentage to go up all by itself. Well yes we have seen some of those. But you can not get more that 6 years of "scool aid". So if you wish to spend more than that you have to pay your own "welfare"... And yes we do have a lot of people on medicalcare. But I guess that this is one of the things you get with a full blown welfare system... I am happy with the system. It has helped my wife since she had a whip lash with our old W123 in may 2005 and she is still unable to carry out her normal job... I think this is a little off topic in this group now ;-) SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ >I see you have a 'UK' number plate... :-) SignatureBest regards Martin Kiefer www.kiefer.dk/m/ > Perhaps we should make a comparison of what a certain MB model would > cost in our respective countries. Purchase price, taxes, insurance, fuel > for a year etc... Buying price for a 2006 S500 in Holland: 130.200 EURO's = $166.551 Yearly road tax: 856 EURO's = $1095 Gasoline for 15000 miles @19 mpg (24000km/1:8) 4200 EURO's = $5373 Yearly insurance (10 year damage free driver): 2500 EURO = $3198 Yearly costs: 7556 EURO = $9666 Yearly maintenance: ??? Depreciation: ??? (huge) Ximinez SignatureOur three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/t1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A Yes, a German car magazine just did that. I need to look through to locate that article and comparison. I cannot recall which EU country is cheapest (no, it's not one of those former Eastern European countries). >>> A 280CDI M class. >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Ximinez Hi, I have a 2000 Mercedes S500, I had the same problem, change over to the much cheaper and I think better British Dunlop SP Sport 9000 tyres, they are an utterly superb match for the S class. They are much quieter and hold the road wonderfully on the 18" wheels from Mercedes. Cost me 130GBP a tyre instead of 200GBP for the others. The new S class is a dog, you are right to leave it well alone. The most comfortable seat I've ever tried was in the Mercedes CL600 or CL55 coupe, it has in my view far more padding than the S class (clearly the price difference buys a more padded seat and more leather everywhere.) Have a try of a CL600 and see what I mean, the dealers are doing deals as production in Germany ended in March 2006. That V12 Bi-turbo engine is a dream and makes the V8 look a little jumpy, 500 horse power and yet smooth as silk, the car of kings. Best, M > Gotta turn it down. To get it equiped like I want it would cost about > $93000. And the seat is realy not as comfortable as my 10 year old [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > am not a bling bling rapper or drug dealer or gang shooter, so why do I > have to drive their tires if I want a luxury car ???? NOT FAIR !!!! And how many doors does a CL have? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Hi, I have a 2000 Mercedes S500, I had the same problem, change over to > the much cheaper and I think better British Dunlop SP Sport 9000 tyres, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> am not a bling bling rapper or drug dealer or gang shooter, so why do I >> have to drive their tires if I want a luxury car ???? NOT FAIR !!!! |
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