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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / September 2006

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Pockmarked Windshield

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Dennis Hayes - 07 Sep 2006 02:17 GMT
I am on my second windshield - and might need to replace it for the same reason
as I replaced the first - little pockmarks, pretty much evenly distributed over
the outside surface of the glass. I don't know what caused them, and wondered
if anyone in the group does. I'd appreciate any hints to keep them from
occuring again - on another windshield.
Thanks
Dennis
T.G. Lambach - 07 Sep 2006 07:22 GMT
M-B seems to use glass that's a bit softer than other makes and that
accounts for some of it BUT the M-B glass doesn't crack as easily from
flying pebbles as the others' glass. A softer glass will pit from grit
and pebbles thrown up from the roadway. The only prevention is to keep a
greater following distance.

You may be able to polish out the light scratches with Glasswax or
similar fine abrasive products but don't expect a miracle!
Hazey - 07 Sep 2006 16:38 GMT
> M-B seems to use glass that's a bit softer than other makes and that
> accounts for some of it BUT the M-B glass doesn't crack as easily from
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> You may be able to polish out the light scratches with Glasswax or
> similar fine abrasive products but don't expect a miracle!

Ya' know, I've always kind of wondered about windshields. I have a '72
Merz with around 155K miles on it, and the original windscreen, and
it's fine. My mother had a '90 300D 2.5 and my father a '91 350SDL, and
they put about the same mileage on them over the years, but the 300D
2.5 had its windshield become virtually opaque from sand damage at 100K
miles, and the '91 still has its original windscreen at 172K miles.
Figureing that it has the same glass in it, I sort of developed this
little theory, which is utterly baseless, that the more swept back the
windscreen is, the more likely it is to get hit by grains of sand at
high speed whereas a more up and down windscreen has a buffer of air in
front of it that slows sand before it hits the windscreen. Then again,
maybe my mother just drove like a bat out of hell.
Richard Sexton - 07 Sep 2006 21:18 GMT
>Ya' know, I've always kind of wondered about windshields. I have a '72
>Merz with around 155K miles on it, and the original windscreen, and
>it's fine. My mother had a '90 300D 2.5 and my father a '91 350SDL, and
>they put about the same mileage on them over the years, but the 300D
>2.5 had its windshield become virtually opaque from sand damage at 100K
>miles, and the '91 still has its original windscreen at 172K miles.

All mine fromt eh 60's 70's and 80's are the same. After a few years they're
pockmarked. New oens get pockmarked. I really don't think there's much if
any difference in glass... but I think roads are different and so are drivers.

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Hazey - 08 Sep 2006 18:20 GMT
> All mine fromt eh 60's 70's and 80's are the same. After a few years they're
> pockmarked. New oens get pockmarked. I really don't think there's much if
> any difference in glass... but I think roads are different and so are drivers.

I said that it was a baseless theory, but it is my baseless theory, and
I'm sticking to it.

Also, roads and drivers do not explain the difference in wear between
windshields. My parents drove the same roads at the same time, and my
father mostly drove them a little faster. The two windscreens showed
definitively different results. Some do wear more than others under the
same circumstances.
Richard Sexton - 08 Sep 2006 18:51 GMT
>> All mine fromt eh 60's 70's and 80's are the same. After a few years they're
>> pockmarked. New oens get pockmarked. I really don't think there's much if
>> any difference in glass... but I think roads are different and so are drivers.
>
>I said that it was a baseless theory, but it is my baseless theory, and
>I'm sticking to it.

And a fine baseless theory it is.

>Also, roads and drivers do not explain the difference in wear between
>windshields. My parents drove the same roads at the same time, and my
>father mostly drove them a little faster. The two windscreens showed
>definitively different results. Some do wear more than others under the
>same circumstances.

Huh. I don't even know if the glass came from the same manufacturors. Could
is be the shape and aerodynamics of the car coming into play as well?

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Hazey - 11 Sep 2006 06:57 GMT
> Huh. I don't even know if the glass came from the same manufacturors. Could
> is be the shape and aerodynamics of the car coming into play as well?

It could be anything including the color of the paint. That's why it's
a baseless theory.
Martin Joseph - 15 Sep 2006 07:44 GMT
>>> All mine fromt eh 60's 70's and 80's are the same. After a few years they're
>>> pockmarked. New oens get pockmarked. I really don't think there's much if
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>
> And a fine baseless theory it is.
Actually it's not,  it basic aerodynamics.
Kalman Rubinson - 07 Sep 2006 16:49 GMT
>M-B seems to use glass that's a bit softer than other makes and that
>accounts for some of it BUT the M-B glass doesn't crack as easily from
>flying pebbles as the others' glass. A softer glass will pit from grit
>and pebbles thrown up from the roadway.

Not my experience.  My 2002 has had 2-3 pits/stars repaired and, just
recently, we had to replace the windshield.  We drive the same routes,
more or less, for years and other vehicles have not suffered so.  (Of
course, they had other problems.)

Kal
Richard Sexton - 07 Sep 2006 21:16 GMT
>You may be able to polish out the light scratches with Glasswax or
>similar fine abrasive products but don't expect a miracle!

Anything that abrades away pockmarks and scratched would be an abarasive,
not a wax.

Cerium oxide is what you use to remove scratches in glass. it's a LOT of work.

If you get the windshield wet you'll notice it looks brand new as the
water fills in the tiny holes.

Anything that will do permanently what water does temporarily what water does
would "fix" this problem but I reckon the lack of a commercial product that
deos this means nothing is a practical material.

When they repair cracks they use an epoxy. In theory you could do the entire
windshield but you'd need to polish it and it will get scuffec very very easily.

The last time I needed a 126 windshiled I paid $250 installed a couple of years ago
for a new one. Shop around, in person, explain you'll pay cash and find a bargin. That's
the way to get the clearest windshield for the least money.

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Richard Sexton - 07 Sep 2006 21:09 GMT
>I am on my second windshield - and might need to replace it for the same reason
>as I replaced the first - little pockmarks, pretty much evenly distributed over
>the outside surface of the glass. I don't know what caused them, and wondered
>if anyone in the group does. I'd appreciate any hints to keep them from
>occuring again - on another windshield.

They do that. It's bits of grit and gravel that do that, at speed.

There's really nothing that can be done except enjoy how wonderfully
clear a new windshield is.

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Paul McKechnie - 08 Sep 2006 12:18 GMT
As you drive watch some people get just behind and to the left (or right) of
a truck, or even another car and just ride there.  If they survive long
enough, their windshield will be history.  Some people think a two or three
or more lane road is just two or three or more roads and they can pick which
one they want to ride in.  This is not actually true, you should always keep
right (in the US) except to pass.  This is not a lecture, it just explains
why some people have more windshield damage than others.  If you want to
pass a vehicle ahead of you, DO IT but don't let it take you 10 miles to do
it.
Think about it.
Paul
>I am on my second windshield - and might need to replace it for the same
>reason
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