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Car Forum / Mercedes-Benz Cars / October 2006

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MERCEDES 190E OVER-FUELING PROBLEM CAUSING NON-STARTING - HELP PLEASE!!

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tom.h.schofield@gmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 18:16 GMT
I have a mercedes 190E 2.0L Auto (1990 model) which was runnning
beautifully until it refused to start 4 weeks ago with absolutely no
previous symptoms.  the car did not even try to start i.e not even a
cough or splutter. At first I cheked the usual suspects:

Ignition system - nice fat blue spark found at ech cylinder, new
distributor cap fitted just in case, new rotor arm fitted, new spark
plugs fitted, new air filter fitted - all functioning fine - all fuses
cheked, all fine

Fuel System - blockage cleared in fuel distributor by dismanteling and
rebuilding it, new fuel filter fitted, fuel pump and fuel pump relay
checked and working fine - fuel at inlet to distributor was fine at
high pressure, and a nice fine spray was emmited at each injector

However, none of these replaced parts solved the problem.  Today
however I narrowed down the problem to that of overfueling.  The spark
plugs are being saturated with fuel and are therefore not sparking
atall.  I came to this conclusion after I dried out the cylinders (by
leaving plugs out for a week), and dried out the plugs too. I span the
engine with no plugs in to clear any fuel in the cylinders and then
replced plugs and tried to start the car with NO fuel pump relay.  The
car fired and ran rough for a few seconds and then cut out (probably
due to lack of fuel as pump was not running), but at least it proved
the car still runs.  when the pump was replaced the car would try to
start for about 10 seconds but not quite manage it, and then the plugs
would become saturated and the car would not start atall until
everything dried out again.

Another test I carried out was to crimp the fuel inlet line to restrice
the flow of fuel to the engine, as well as un-attatching the cold start
electrical connector.  doing this I managed to get the engine running
for a couple of minutes, but as soon as the crimp was released the
engine cut out again, thus proving the problem to be fuel over-supply.

I think have narrowed the problem down to three possible causes:

1.  Faulty fuel distributor
2.  Faulty fuel pressure regulator (the part that sends unused fuel
back to the tank - if not working correctly all fuel goes into engine
and none back to the tank)
3.  Faulty cold start valve (and/or temperature sensor) causing too
much fuel to be permanently injected into the engine.

If anyone has had this problem before I would be grateful of some help
in pointing me towards which of the three (or indeed any other possible
causes) is causing the problem.

Thanks
T.G. Lambach - 20 Oct 2006 18:43 GMT
Good investigation and pursuit of the leads!

Suggest you focus on the fuel pressure regulator. It's a spring loaded
valve which also has a intake manifold vacuum connection. If you remove
that vacuum hose from the fuel pressure regulator and fuel drips from
the regulator the cause has been found. Install a new regulator. Done.
I suspect fuel is leaking into the intake manifold through the vacuum
hose connected to the fuel pressure regulator, accounting for all the
spark plugs' wetness.

Otherwise, it on to the cold start valve which may be stuck open, an
unlikely possibility, in my opinion. Its electrical chain typically
produces no current to the valve when those parts fail so cold starting
is difficult, but hot starting is OK.

Good luck with it.
Jens - 21 Oct 2006 10:50 GMT
Sounds like the problem I chased for months:

My best guess is a defective EHA (Electro Hydraulic Actuator), which is
the small black thing with an electrical lead to it, fitted on the
backside of the fuel distributor.

Unfortunately, it costs around 400$, and there is no other way (that I
know of) to exclude it other than replacing it. And you have done all
other things to exclude other parts.

The fuel distributor itself will mechanically adjust the mixture
(pressure to the injectors) according to the air mass measured by the
plate. The mixture at idle can be adjusted by screw, which is protected
by a plastic plug. I assume, that you have not tried to adjust it(don't
try). Next, the mixture is fine adjusted by the EHA according to the
ECU's calculations based on inputs from mainly the oxygen sensor.

Of course, it could also be the ECU telling the EHA to open wide. Try
to disconnect the plug from the EHA and see if it will start then. If
it still won't, I suggest you replace the EHA.

> I have a mercedes 190E 2.0L Auto (1990 model) which was runnning
> beautifully until it refused to start 4 weeks ago with absolutely no
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> Thanks
 
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