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patrice - 05 Jun 2004 14:46 GMT
I know it's kind of a silly question, but anyway, are there any little
things I can do to an 850cc to get a little more power.  besides getting a
bigger engine.  I plan on doing that later.
Jono Barspeed - 05 Jun 2004 21:58 GMT
Stage one it, play with the carbs, probably want twin 1.5 su's and maybe try
a big valve head?

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> I know it's kind of a silly question, but anyway, are there any little
> things I can do to an 850cc to get a little more power.  besides getting a
> bigger engine.  I plan on doing that later.
Classic Car Fair - 05 Jun 2004 22:39 GMT
> Stage one it, play with the carbs, probably want twin 1.5 su's and maybe try
> a big valve head?
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Can you get high-octane racing fuel? Challenge service stations here in
NZ sell it for off-road use only, and everything runs noticeably better
on it, 100% or mixed with PULP. It's just a little bit dearer than
premium unleaded. You're not supposed to put it directly into your
vehicle, only in a container. You don't have to change any settings,
jetting or timing, but they would probably make even more improvement if
you ran it regularly. [Can any techies explain why it works without more
advance?] Tried it in several vehicles, all good. Cheers
splam - 06 Jun 2004 01:52 GMT
> Stage one it, play with the carbs, probably want twin 1.5 su's and
> maybe try a big valve head?

Twin 1.5 SU's? On an 850? Are you MAD?!?

A single HS4 should provide more then enough carburation from an 850 -
unless it's rev'ing out to 12000rpm?

Chuck on a set of those 3-1 Cooper Style Headers and one of those alloy
inlet manifolds.

If you were really game you could have the compression bought up a bit bit
milling the cylinder head and if you were feeling rich you could even get
someone to improve chambers shape.

I guess I wouldn't want to go to crazy - as the 850 is only designed to
handle so much power - and you might soon find that the extra power you put
through it was killing the poor thing.

Check out the "Tuning BLs A-Series Engine" book by David Vizard - it has a
write up about getting more power out of an 850.
Jono Barspeed - 06 Jun 2004 07:36 GMT
mine runs fine with twin 1.5's, i also have a 998 Cooper S head on it with
the before mentioned big valves, its a dog, but how many 850's do you know
that return 95mph, it just doesnt stop though, thats the problem!

jono

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> > Stage one it, play with the carbs, probably want twin 1.5 su's and
> > maybe try a big valve head?
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> Check out the "Tuning BLs A-Series Engine" book by David Vizard - it has a
> write up about getting more power out of an 850.
Rocky - 07 Jun 2004 00:51 GMT
Cooper 7.5in discs would help the stopping power a lot

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> mine runs fine with twin 1.5's, i also have a 998 Cooper S head on it with
> the before mentioned big valves, its a dog, but how many 850's do you know
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Jono Barspeed - 07 Jun 2004 07:22 GMT
At the moment they are single lead shoes, its a '62 and apart from the mods
very original still.

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> Cooper 7.5in discs would help the stopping power a lot
>
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Boink - 08 Jun 2004 06:07 GMT
"Jono Barspeed" <
> At the moment they are single lead shoes

Ah, the first appearance of anti-lock brakes.   ;-)
Graham W - 08 Jun 2004 11:53 GMT
> "Jono Barspeed":
>>At the moment they are single lead shoes

> Ah, the first appearance of anti-lock brakes.   ;-)

First a little explanation for anyone who's not really clear what twin
leading shoes do:

In drum brakes, the "leading" shoes provide much more braking than the
"trailing" shoes. Rear drum brakes have one leading and one trailing so
the handbrake will hold facing uphill or downhill. Front brakes with
twin leading shoes provide much better braking going forwards, at the
expense of braking performance going backwards - who needs to stop from
50mph backwards anyway?

Now my story of woe:

My ex's Mini convertible which I've mentioned here occasionally had 1970
era twin leading shoe front drum brakes. My parents had a *very* steep
driveway up the side of a steep hill, complete with a sharp bend and
some very fine loose gravel on the bitumen surface.

One day I had to stop part way up the driveway, when something or
someone at the top was in the way. I could not stand on the brake pedal
hard enough to hold the car on the slope. The rear wheels were locking,
and sliding towards the edge of the drive, even as the front wheels
still rolled, leaving me sliding down the hill out of control. I sort of
slithered and rolled mostly out of control back down the driveway,
managing not to run off the edge, and thankfully no one was coming down
the street, because I certainly couldn't have stopped.

But the front brakes didn't lock.....

Apparently twin leading shoes were second generation of antilock brakes?
Boink - 11 Jun 2004 06:41 GMT
My story was that I HAD to stop extremely fast at relatively high speed
(1962 850)... and found that it took everything I had to stop in time, and
there was no locking of the brakes. Scared the crap out of me. Within a
month I'd converted to twin-leading shoes, which in my opinion are nearly as
good as small disks. It was money very well spent (and an afternoon of
messing about changing back-plates and such with a kit).

> > "Jono Barspeed":
> >>At the moment they are single lead shoes
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>
> Apparently twin leading shoes were second generation of antilock brakes?
Jono Barspeed - 08 Jun 2004 17:17 GMT
More like anti brake brakes....:-)

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> "Jono Barspeed" <
> > At the moment they are single lead shoes
>
> Ah, the first appearance of anti-lock brakes.   ;-)
Stan Blazejewski - 08 Jun 2004 12:53 GMT
My 'first' mini (I still have fond memories) was pretty much what you
describe.... all top end work.  Twin 1.5 SU's, worked head &
extractors, would do about 85mph with 4 people on board and believe it
not would hit the tonne (100mph) running on 100 octane fuel (still
with 4 people).  I loved that 850!!

>Stage one it, play with the carbs, probably want twin 1.5 su's and maybe try
>a big valve head?
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>> things I can do to an 850cc to get a little more power.  besides getting a
>> bigger engine.  I plan on doing that later.

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