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Car Forum / MINI / August 2004

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Copper plugs in engine head??

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Nick Evans - 30 Jul 2004 21:06 GMT
Hello all,
Having just had a heart attack from the price I was told for the work on my
engine head, I thought it prudent to ask in here if the work done to the
head was necessary. I took the head (well my mate did due to dodgy hours at
work) into an engineering firm to have the head skimmed. 28 quid to do a
simple head skim.
My mate reported back that the engineer needed the weekend to check
something (this was last friday) and then reported back on monday that it
required a copper plug put in the water/oil ways. Well suffice to say the
work is now done and 3 copper plugs and a grind later... the bloke wants 106
quid. I am not a happy bunny, All i wanted was the head skimmed originally.

Can anyone shed any light on these copper plugs, he reckens that he had to
make them up himself and that they were actually required in the head. Are
they really required??

Cheers in advance
Nick
(-AD-) - 01 Aug 2004 13:55 GMT
And Elvis was sitting next to Nick Evans in the spaceship, which I
thought was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said:

> Hello all,
> Having just had a heart attack from the price I was told for the work on my
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> make them up himself and that they were actually required in the head. Are
> they really required??

The brass plugs are there as part of the manufacturing process. They mark
the places where the supports for the cores go in the casting mould.
Later, they are drilled out and brass plugs fitted to blank them off.

The plugs can sometimes loosen if the head is seriously overheated and
warped. Occasionally, they can become receded into the head a little way
if the head gasket leaks combustion gas past the firewall ring.

Replacing them is a moderately tricky engineering job (to do it properly,
they should be accurately machined to a precise oversize, and shrink-
fitted after heating the head), so the charge of ?106 including the skim
isn't unreasonable.

Seeing as second-hand A-series are common as muck though, I'm surprised
that the engineer even bothered. Unless you have an exotic modified head
that it is worth spending money to save, I'd expect most engineers would
reccommend scrapping it and acquiring a sound head from a breaker.
Tim - 01 Aug 2004 21:42 GMT
personaly I'd rather sort the head I have, rather than buy somthing with an
unknown history from a wreckers. Why spend money on somthing you dont know
anything about, and have all the hassels. If there is nothing wrong with
your head, other than needing a freshen  up the stick with what you have, at
least you kow its good for years to come....

> And Elvis was sitting next to Nick Evans in the spaceship, which I
> thought was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said:
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> that it is worth spending money to save, I'd expect most engineers would
> reccommend scrapping it and acquiring a sound head from a breaker.
(-AD-) - 02 Aug 2004 07:57 GMT
And Elvis was sitting next to "Tim" <tim_lis(NOSPAM)@clear.net.nz> in the
spaceship, which I thought was kinda weird, but then they turned to me
and said:

> personaly I'd rather sort the head I have, rather than buy somthing with an
> unknown history from a wreckers. Why spend money on somthing you dont know
> anything about, and have all the hassels. If there is nothing wrong with
> your head, other than needing a freshen  up the stick with what you have, at
> least you kow its good for years to come....

Maybe that makes sense from an overseas viewpoint, but in the UK we had
lots of Metros that tended to rot out so quickly that they never got the
chance to clock up too many miles, so there's never too much trouble
finding fairly fresh engines.

I've frequently picked up A+ engines and boxes from Metros that were
scrapped with less than 30,000 on the clock.
 
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