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Car Forum / MINI / August 2004Steering Rack Grease
I'm changing the gaiters on my steering rack, its out of the car so I might as well do it now. Haynes says that I should use semi fluid grease. I have never heard of this. Will normal wheel bearing grease or Moly grease do? Its a 1992 rack btw. Cheers, Dave Use CV (constant Velocity) grease. Jono  SignatureBarspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://barspeed.topcities.com Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Motor Album - http://barspeed1.topcities.com If you have received this email in error please click below. barspeed@hotmail.com Barspeed is not a company or a profit making organisation. > I'm changing the gaiters on my steering rack, its out of the car so I might > as well do it now. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, > Dave I suppose grease is grease, dark, slippery, nasty stuff coz it gets everywhere, yeah why not live a little and give it a go with the normal grease, ive used it on everything that moves or doesnt fot that matter and everything feels ok....... > I'm changing the gaiters on my steering rack, its out of the car so I might > as well do it now. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, > Dave I was always of the impression that the oil level in normal lube grease contributes heavily to rubber degredation, whereas CV is specially formulated to be used with rubber components. Jono SignatureBarspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://barspeed.topcities.com Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Motor Album - http://barspeed1.topcities.com If you have received this email in error please click below. barspeed@hotmail.com Barspeed is not a company or a profit making organisation. > I suppose grease is grease, dark, slippery, nasty stuff coz it gets > everywhere, yeah why not live a little and give it a go with the normal [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cheers, > > Dave > I suppose grease is grease, dark, slippery, nasty stuff coz it gets > everywhere, yeah why not live a little and give it a go with the normal > grease, ive used it on everything that moves or doesnt fot that matter and > everything feels ok....... Grease is most certainly not just "grease". Different greases have radically different properties for different applications. Most importantly, don't get your molybdeum disulphide greasemixed up with your high temperature wheel bearing grease. Your bearing rollers will wear flat if the moly grease doesn't burn up from the heat from the brakes first, and the bearing grease won't save your CV joints. > Grease is most certainly not just "grease". Different greases have > radically different properties for different applications. So is that a "no" to my original question? Or should I do as Jono says and use CV grease. I was thinking of using CV grease and mixing a bit of oil in there to make it more fluid. If I can the proper stuff easily, say from halfords or something, I'll do that. I have just never heard of semi fluid grease before. Dave CV grease is what I would call semi fluid, its runnier than LM grease. jono SignatureBarspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://barspeed.topcities.com Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Motor Album - http://barspeed1.topcities.com If you have received this email in error please click below. barspeed@hotmail.com Barspeed is not a company or a profit making organisation. > > Grease is most certainly not just "grease". Different greases have > > radically different properties for different applications. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dave "Jono Barspeed" <jono_barspeed@tesco.net> wrote in news:4117d00b_1@mk-nntp- 2.news.uk.tiscali.com: > CV grease is what I would call semi fluid, its runnier than LM grease. > > jono Ah ok, cheers Jono, I'll give that a crack then. Thanks for your help guys. Dave According to Haynes late 646 manual '69-'93... Early type steering racks with black gaiter uses 0.33 pint (0.2 liter) SAE 90EP Gear oil (Duckhams Hypoid 90). On the later steering racks with transparent gaiters (never seen on, myself) use Semi fluid grease (Duckhams Adgear 00) . Hope this helps, Kelley >I'm changing the gaiters on my steering rack, its out of the car so I might >as well do it now. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Cheers, >Dave I have little faith in the use of such a runny oil as a hypoid 90 oil as recommended by the haynes manual. It would be virtually impossible to do i would have thought, you would loose most of the oil before finishing fitting the boot over the steering rack joint. On the other hand, are you refering to the lube used inside the rack or the boot? In that case such a gear oil would be used in the rack. When I have fitted such boots I have smeared a generous amounts of CV grease in the boot and more around the joint on the rack, it is done to ensure that no moisture or water enters the rack and causes it to become siezed, the oil keeps away water and prevents corrosion and the boot keeps it all in. Jono SignatureBarspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://barspeed.topcities.com Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Motor Album - http://barspeed1.topcities.com Ford 100E Group - http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ford100E If you have received this email in error please click below. barspeed@hotmail.com Barspeed is not a company or a profit making organisation. > According to Haynes late 646 manual '69-'93... Early type steering > racks with black gaiter uses 0.33 pint (0.2 liter) SAE 90EP Gear oil [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Cheers, > >Dave There is only one lubricant used in the rack. The gaiters hold the oil in the rack. As an additional reference this is from the Leyland Cars Service Manual for the Mini, AKD 4935. "Before securing the gaiter clip on the tie-rod at the pinion end, stand the assembly upright and pour in approximately 1/3 pint (.4 U.S. pint, .19 litre) of Extreme Pressure S.A.E. 90 oil through the end of the gaiter. Refit the gaiter clip." Here's what I've done in the past. To refill the rack on the car, jack up the pinion side of the car (driver's side) as high as is safe, add the oil and refit the boot. Cheers, Kelley >I have little faith in the use of such a runny oil as a hypoid 90 oil as >recommended by the haynes manual. It would be virtually impossible to do i [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Jono >>On the other hand, are you refering to the lube used inside the rack >>or the boot? >>Jono Yeah its just the boots I am renewing. CV grease it is then. Thanks again people. The steering racks should be filled with oil and not grease. If a gaiter has gone/split the oil will have leaked out so should be topped up. If grease is used it will not flow into the rack and could cause problems. This is a little more difficult with the rack on the car but you should be able to get the small amount required in. I use a pump oil can with a slim nozzle squeezed in under the trackrod end of the gaiter before it is finally clipped/tiewapped in place. Peter www.wannop.co.uk > >>On the other hand, are you refering to the lube used inside the rack > >>or the boot? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks again people. > The steering racks should be filled with oil and not grease. If a > gaiter has gone/split the oil will have leaked out so should be topped [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Peter > www.wannop.co.uk Early models use oil, later use grease, mine is a grease model. Cheers, Dave It uses Semi-Fluid grease. CV grease is not semi-fluid grease. Dean. > > The steering racks should be filled with oil and not grease. If a > > gaiter has gone/split the oil will have leaked out so should be topped [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cheers, > Dave > It uses Semi-Fluid grease. CV grease is not semi-fluid grease. > Dean. Think it will be a problem? Can I get semi-fluid grease from halfords or somewhere, I have never even heard of it! >>It uses Semi-Fluid grease. CV grease is not semi-fluid grease. >>Dean. > > Think it will be a problem? Can I get semi-fluid grease from halfords or > somewhere, I have never even heard of it! You MAY be able to get it at Halfwits (Halfords), but the staff would not know it from baby oil! Remember those TV ads with monkeys playing? they were actually Halfords staff training videos. Find a trade type auto factors (Partco, CAF, or even a Rover dealership) and ask them for advice. They will know what grease to use. Drew. Ask an auto supplier for the equivalent of Duckhams Adgear 00 semi-fluid grease. Or try one of the products/URLs below: Spheerol Semi Fluid Grease 500ml 4.75UKP http://www.vintageandsportscarservices.co.uk/lubricants_stock.htm BP Commercial Products Energrease ZS 00 Synergyn 00 Semi Fluid Grease http://www.synergynracing.com/products/00semi_fluid.html MAXOL SEMI FLUID 00 appears to available in Ireland CP Lubricants 00EP http://www.cplubricants.co.uk/agricultural.htm Cheers, Kelley >>>It uses Semi-Fluid grease. CV grease is not semi-fluid grease. >>>Dean. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Drew. > Ask an auto supplier for the equivalent of Duckhams Adgear 00 > semi-fluid grease. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Kelley Cheers! I'll take a look at those and try a Partco. I know I should have stopped using Halfords a long time ago but there are so many around and there is one really close to me. Too lazy I suppose. Anyway, cheers for the advice. Dave |
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