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Car Forum / MINI / September 2004Converting 12" wheels to 10" disc brakes
I have been thinking about gettin a early Mk1 or Mk2 Mini for a while now, but looking at the ones for sale they seem to be getting rarer and more expensive, so I have been thinkin of either gettin a Mk3-Mk4 with the 10" wheels and covert them to disc brakes or gettin a LATER POST 84 Mini with the 12" wheels and converting it back to 10" discs which would b cheaper than coverting drums to 7.9" Cooper S discs. But I have noticed that on nearly all pre 1984 Minis with the 12" wheels are wheel arches. I'm just wondering can u remove the wheelarches and then just covert the discs to 7.9" ones and then fit the 10" ones or do u have to do work on the body? Also does anyone know where u can get Tan coloured leather bucket seats? or if u can get tan coloured leather bucket seats thanx J If you fit 7.5 inch discs you can fit 10" wheels. If you want to have no arch extensions you will need to take them off and fill the holes and paint it. You may find that you get rust though... If you get wide wheels you could easily fill the arches with 10 inch wheels. Get some 10x6" wheels if you don't mind having arches. It may be better to get a late 70's mini with no arches and 10 inch wheels and then convert it from drums to discs. The bits in good condition ready to bolt on will cost around ?250 in England though... Hope this helps The Muffin Man >I have been thinking about gettin a early Mk1 or Mk2 Mini for a while > now, but looking at the ones for sale they seem to be getting rarer [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > thanx J Thanks for the help, I did prefer the idea of getting a mk3 or Mk4 and converting the front drums to Cooper S discs, but I thought the kits where around the £600 mark, which was a bit steep. I'm still open to options though, I have about £2-3k or slightly more to spend on car and everything, which probably would have not been enough for a good Mk1 and also the modifications I am thinking of making. On a slightly differen note, does anyone know if u can get a Mk1 or Mk2 bodyshell, or if it is possible to modify a heritage bodyshell by using Mk1 heritage panels to convert it to a Mk1 or near to a Mk1 bodyshell? thanks for the advice on the brakes and the arches J > If you fit 7.5 inch discs you can fit 10" wheels. If you want to have no > arch extensions you will need to take them off and fill the holes and paint [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The Muffin Man Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell over the MKI.  Signaturehttp://iBuyMinis.OsiTech.Net ----------------------------------------------- Wanted Austin Mini Projects. In any condition and in the USA. What do you have hiding in your shed? > Thanks for the help, I did prefer the idea of getting a mk3 or Mk4 and > converting the front drums to Cooper S discs, but I thought the kits [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> The Muffin Man > Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell > over the MKI. who what where? did I miss something? Yeh I do think it is a bit stupid to offer the clubman shelf over the Mk1, Mk1s are older than the Clubmans, so surely the need for a Mk1 shell would be greater than for clubmans, any way does anyone know what parts the Mk4 shell differs from the MK1 or Mk1 cooper shell?, I know the door hinges are external on the Mk1 shell and also the rear window is smaller, are there any more difference? > > Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell > > over the MKI. > > who what where? > did I miss something? I could be wrong here but aren't the new shells MKV so the radiator mount and location will be in front and not the side. Personally and IMHO (oh dear) I think if you want an MK1 as I think you do, you should get the best MK1 shell you can find (afford) and restore it. A MKV shell made to look like a MKI will just offer excuses at meets. Am I rambling nonsense again then? Signaturehttp://iBuyMinis.OsiTech.Net ----------------------------------------------- Wanted Austin Mini Projects. In any condition and in the USA. What do you have hiding in your shed? > Yeh I do think it is a bit stupid to offer the clubman shelf over the > Mk1, Mk1s are older than the Clubmans, so surely the need for a Mk1 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> who what where? >> did I miss something? > Yeh I do think it is a bit stupid to offer the clubman shelf over the > Mk1, Mk1s are older than the Clubmans, so surely the need for a Mk1 > shell would be greater than for clubmans, any way does anyone know > what parts the Mk4 shell differs from the MK1 or Mk1 cooper shell?, I > know the door hinges are external on the Mk1 shell and also the rear > window is smaller, are there any more difference? Perhaps the later bodies are what the tooling that has survived makes? This is a more plausible explanation that Howards and I can buy that. Signaturehttp://iBuyMinis.OsiTech.Net ----------------------------------------------- Wanted Austin Mini Projects. In any condition and in the USA. What do you have hiding in your shed? >> Yeh I do think it is a bit stupid to offer the clubman shelf over the >> Mk1, Mk1s are older than the Clubmans, so surely the need for a Mk1 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Perhaps the later bodies are what the tooling that has survived makes? >Yeh I do think it is a bit stupid to offer the clubman shelf over the >Mk1, Mk1s are older than the Clubmans, so surely the need for a Mk1 >shell would be greater than for clubmans, any way does anyone know >what parts the Mk4 shell differs from the MK1 or Mk1 cooper shell?, I >know the door hinges are external on the Mk1 shell and also the rear >window is smaller, are there any more difference? Side and rear window sizes, b-posts, doors, rear window, rear light aperatures, roof surround, front panel, inner/outer a-panels, hinge panels, bulkhead panel (air vents), rear quarter panels, subframe mounting points... need I go on? :-) -- Howard Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) My understanding is that Heritage has produced a few Mk. I shells but not for sale... yet. They have promised off and on over the last few years to introduce these but it has been put off each time. Heritage seems to be entirely geared toward the UK market. There are very few Mk. I cars left, especially as rusty runners, compared with the Mk. III - IV and Clubmans. They appear to have made the decision to sell to the numbers in the UK. If they chose a decent distribution channel in North America I have no doubt they could sell close to 100 Mk. I shells in a fairly short period of time. Hopefully the sales of the late shells and the Clubman will allow them to finally introduce the Mk.I in the near future. Cheers, Kelley >Yeh I do think it is a bit stupid to offer the clubman shelf over the >Mk1, Mk1s are older than the Clubmans, so surely the need for a Mk1 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> who what where? >> did I miss something? >My understanding is that Heritage has produced a few Mk. I shells but >not for sale... yet. They have promised off and on over the last few >years to introduce these but it has been put off each time. When I spoke with them they had no intentions in producing a MK1 shell, since it was impossible to "reverese engineer" their current tooling. Not much of the original bodyshell tooling survives. Thankfully, they do have the tooling for bonnets and doors and you can buy these new. Not cheap though! >Heritage seems to be entirely geared toward the UK market. There are >very few Mk. I cars left, especially as rusty runners, compared with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the late shells and the Clubman will allow them to finally introduce >the Mk.I in the near future. Mainly due to them being a UK company, I guess ;-) Plus the fact that they managed to buy the complete Mini assembly line when production ceased a while back. I really wish they produce a MK1 body. I for one would buy one :-) But if they did, there would have to be THREE different types. Pre 1963 MK1, post 1963 MK1 and MK2. -- Howard Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) It is possible to buy every panel you need and bead blast the shell to see what needs replacing - do it yourself. That is what I am doing with my new pickup. Not cheap though. But I thought "spent enough, may as well have the rose petals!!!!!!!!" LOL The Muffin Man >>My understanding is that Heritage has produced a few Mk. I shells but >>not for sale... yet. They have promised off and on over the last few [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe > http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) You sure did Man. Stay alert in class will yah - lol. Signaturehttp://iBuyMinis.OsiTech.Net ----------------------------------------------- Wanted Austin Mini Projects. In any condition and in the USA. What do you have hiding in your shed? >> Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell >> over the MKI. > > who what where? > did I miss something? "iBuyMinis.Us" <QuickSilver@OsiTech.Net(remove)> wrote in news:x0X0d.4481 $MS1.1660@trnddc02: > You sure did Man. > > Stay alert in class will yah - lol. It was more that - who said anything about a clubman? mkIII and mkIV came out in non clubman flavours afaik. >It was more that - who said anything about a clubman? > >mkIII and mkIV came out in non clubman flavours afaik. The new Clubman body has only just been released! AFAIK, it's only suitable for 1972 and later Clubmans (different floors). -- Howard Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) >Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell over the >MKI. The Clubman shell is a LOT easier to make, since it is a basically the standard shell with different inner wings/wings/front panel. The MK1 shell however is completely different, and would require completely new tooling jigs/presses to be made. Too expensive. -- Howard Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) > >Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell over the > >MKI. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > shell however is completely different, and would require completely > new tooling jigs/presses to be made. Too expensive. What are the difference between the Mk1 shell and the Mk4 or Mk5 shells? I know that there are more difference but from memory the external door hinges, the differerent sized doors, smaller rear windscreen and I know there are others but I can't remember them, does anyone know the others? thanks Floor, boot etc To fit different doors you are talking major, major (I know it is only one thing but I feel it needs mentioning twice) reworking of the A and B pillars, door step and roof!! The Muffin Man >> >Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell over >> >the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > thanks I've been trying to find panels for Mk1s, I've looked at M-Machine, BMH and also some other sites and so far I can find the floor panels, the front the doors the rear bulk head and boot, but I have not been able to find any company producing the left side and right side, has anyone come across these parts?, and aren't the panels spot welded together? thanks guys for the help, really appreciated > Floor, boot etc > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Muffin Man >I've been trying to find panels for Mk1s, I've looked at M-Machine, >BMH and also some other sites and so far I can find the floor panels, >the front the doors the rear bulk head and boot, but I have not been >able to find any company producing the left side and right side, has >anyone come across these parts?, and aren't the panels spot welded >together? All produced by M-Machine and Heritage. All panels on a Mini were spotwelded together. -- Howard Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) >> >Personally and IMHO I think it's idiocy to offer the Clubman shell over the >> >MKI. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >windscreen and I know there are others but I can't remember them, does >anyone know the others? Side and rear window sizes, b-posts (completely different door catch), doors, rear window, rear light aperatures, roof surround, front panel, inner/outer a-panels, hinge panels, bulkhead panel (air vents), rear quarter panels, subframe mounting points... need I go on? :-) -- Howard Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website)
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