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Car Forum / MINI / November 2004Double spin!
Gents, some help if you would be so kind. I borrowed a friends year old Mini Cooper S for nearly a month and I have to say that I really didn't want to give it back, compared to my 3-series BMW which I've always loved, it was a breath of fresh air! He said that I might look at buying an original Mini Cooper as they are apparently twice the fun so I've set out to buy one but have run into some problems that I think that you good fellows might answer in a second. I tracked down a 1982 Cooper in Black and took the ride out to look at it; now, after a double spin. one in the mini and one huge spin by the dealer, I think that I'm being taken for a ride. Problem is I don't have another to compare it to. These were the questions that I had some answers that I'm not sure I trusted; 1.. The gearbox; the dealer assured me that the car has only a four speed gearbox but, obviously I suspected that I must be being palmed off with an upgraded base model that wasn't originally a cooper, my old '80 ford had a five speed so I'm not sure if the shift was jammed or if I was being duped. 2.. Tin worm; the sills under the doors and the doors themselves are bubbly; they felt firm but again I was told that this was 'normal' and that it was just a sign of some repair work; is it normal to have to repair a not that old car? 3.. Electrics and interior; The car seemed to have been stripped, maybe for racing at some point as there was no central locking motors left, and the dash seemed to have been altered it seemed to have been patched with what looked like cardboard?!? Once again, I have to stop taking this man seriously, he said that this was normal. 4.. Engine power: We took the car out for a run and he said it was a 1300cc which whilst tiny did seem to pick up well; though a bit of a disappointment compared to the new mini; it seemed to stop at about 60ish; this seemed to be more evidence that this should have had a five speed gearbox. 5.. Handling and ride; The car has some years on it but the ride seems to have been tampered with; it seemed to 'bounce' between breaks in the road but it did corner quite well if a little skittish; is the cost of suspension repair high or manageable? 6.. Heating and ventilation; Again; I'm not sure if this has been tampered with as the controls seemed to have been replaced with either aftermarket replacements or stripped down for racing - should they look like controls off of an old radio or this a 'package'? 7.. Oil; there was some oil on the ground where the car had been parked; could this indicate serious trouble or explain why performance was not that stellar? I politely thanked him but turned on my heals! Please would you be able to point me towards the models or specs and years of the 'Right car to buy' or should I be simply looking for a more genuine, less tampered with car? What was the 'Best year'? Monty D. > Gents, some help if you would be so kind. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > upgraded base model that wasn't originally a cooper, my old '80 ford had a > five speed so I'm not sure if the shift was jammed or if I was being duped. Standard for Mini is 4-speed. 5-speed boxes are around 3000 quid. > 2.. Tin worm; the sills under the doors and the doors themselves are > bubbly; they felt firm but again I was told that this was 'normal' and that > it was just a sign of some repair work; is it normal to have to repair a not > that old car? This is NOT good. I would reject this car. > 3.. Electrics and interior; The car seemed to have been stripped, maybe > for racing at some point as there was no central locking motors left, and > the dash seemed to have been altered it seemed to have been patched with > what looked like cardboard?!? Once again, I have to stop taking this man > seriously, he said that this was normal. Central locking on Minis is you can reach both doors from the driver's seat. Cardboard is bullshit. > 4.. Engine power: We took the car out for a run and he said it was a > 1300cc which whilst tiny did seem to pick up well; though a bit of a > disappointment compared to the new mini; it seemed to stop at about 60ish; > this seemed to be more evidence that this should have had a five speed > gearbox. My advice: DO NOT BUY THIS CAR. Even a 1000 cc Cooper is a quick little car. A 1300 is quite fast. Something wrong with the car. > 5.. Handling and ride; The car has some years on it but the ride seems to > have been tampered with; it seemed to 'bounce' between breaks in the road > but it did corner quite well if a little skittish; is the cost of suspension > repair high or manageable? Sounds like knackered shocks. > 6.. Heating and ventilation; Again; I'm not sure if this has been tampered > with as the controls seemed to have been replaced with either aftermarket > replacements or stripped down for racing - should they look like controls > off of an old radio or this a 'package'? I'm not that familiar with 80's models, but the controls were a bit primitive. > 7.. Oil; there was some oil on the ground where the car had been parked; > could this indicate serious trouble or explain why performance was not that > stellar? All Minis leak oil. > I politely thanked him but turned on my heals! Wise move!! > Please would you be able to point me towards the models or specs and years > of the 'Right car to buy' or should I be simply looking for a more genuine, > less tampered with car? What was the 'Best year'? Monty, where are you? There should be Miniacs near you who can advise and assist you. -Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com -- Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ "I tracked down a 1982 Cooper" A what? There is no such thing!! The Muffin Man >> Gents, some help if you would be so kind. >> [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ > World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ > "I tracked down a 1982 Cooper" > > A what? There is no such thing!! > > The Muffin Man What Muffin is alluding to is that the Cooper or Cooper S were special models of Mini and were only built in the earlier years of production. A 1300cc mini built in 1982 is not a Cooper. A genuien Cooper is much older than 1982. In other words, the dealer was misrepresenting the car, either by model or age. In the US these cars are rare enough that you really need some expert assistance to buy well. Try tracking down a local club. > Gents, some help if you would be so kind. Hi Monty, Thats what we're here for. > I borrowed a friends year old Mini Cooper S for nearly a month and I have to > say that I really didn't want to give it back, compared to my 3-series BMW > which I've always loved, it was a breath of fresh air! He said that I might > look at buying an original Mini Cooper as they are apparently twice the fun > so I've set out to buy one but have run into some problems that I think that > you good fellows might answer in a second. Don't make the mistake of expecting the original Mini to be remotely like a modern "New MINI". They are completely different cars! Having said that, you'll probably enjoy driving a good original Mini. > I tracked down a 1982 Cooper in Black and took the ride out to look at it; > now, after a double spin. one in the mini and one huge spin by the dealer, I > think that I'm being taken for a ride. Problem is I don't have another to > compare it to. First of all, if it's 1982, it's not a Cooper. If it's a Cooper, it's not 1982. A lot of Minis in the US are stripped and rebuilt newish cars with older IDs to get around US design rules, so you need to be really careful what you're looking at. > These were the questions that I had some answers that I'm not sure I > trusted; > 1.. The gearbox; the dealer assured me that the car has only a four speed > gearbox but, obviously I suspected that I must be being palmed off with an > upgraded base model that wasn't originally a cooper, my old '80 ford had a > five speed so I'm not sure if the shift was jammed or if I was being duped. The Mini was designed in 1959 using a 4 speed box. The gearbox is so integral to the design, being the sump and the engine and radiator mounts as well, that it was never changed. The innards got better over several stages, but by about 1970 it had 4 speed synchro and thats about as far as they took it. There was never a factory 4 speed box and there have only been very small numbers of very expesnive aftermarket 5 speed conversions. Unless you've very rich, your Mini has 4 gears. > 2.. Tin worm; the sills under the doors and the doors themselves are > bubbly; they felt firm but again I was told that this was 'normal' and that > it was just a sign of some repair work; is it normal to have to repair a not > that old car? It is "normal" in that it's very common, but it's still bad. British cars are particularly bad for rust compared to Aussie cars, because of our mild climate, but the last Australian built cars were 1978. > 3.. Electrics and interior; The car seemed to have been stripped, maybe > for racing at some point Possibly to import it and fake an old enough identity to register it in the US. Or it may simply be the standard Mini interior - they were pretty bare! > as there was no central locking motors left, and Thats right, no central locking. > the dash seemed to have been altered it seemed to have been patched with > what looked like cardboard?!? Once again, I have to stop taking this man > seriously, he said that this was normal. Little instrument cluster in front of teh driver and black vinyl coated cardboard across the bulkhead with a parcel shelf? Pretty basic isn't it! > 4.. Engine power: We took the car out for a run and he said it was a > 1300cc which whilst tiny did seem to pick up well; though a bit of a > disappointment compared to the new mini; it seemed to stop at about 60ish; > this seemed to be more evidence that this should have had a five speed > gearbox. The new mini has a modern 2 litre motor thats probably good for 100kW to 120kW. The original Mini in standard 1275 form produces about 50kW! Even allowing for the fact that the car only weighs 3/4 of a ton, it's not going to be anywhere near as quick. There's a lot you can do to make a Mini faster, but obvsiouyl you start by making sure everything is in good nick and tuned right to start with. > 5.. Handling and ride; The car has some years on it but the ride seems to > have been tampered with; it seemed to 'bounce' between breaks in the road > but it did corner quite well if a little skittish; is the cost of suspension > repair high or manageable? Suspension work is fairly straightforward, though you will have trouble finding people in the states with the two or three special tools they'll need. The tools aren't too horribly expensive. The mini is a very small car with stiff suspension, it is a bit skittish, especially by modern standards. > 6.. Heating and ventilation; Again; I'm not sure if this has been tampered > with as the controls seemed to have been replaced with either aftermarket > replacements or stripped down for racing - should they look like controls > off of an old radio or this a 'package'? Once again, you're looking at a car the British designed in 1959 and then occasionally tacked extras into. Without seeng the car it's hard to know, but it's entirely possible the original heater would look this primitive to you. > 7.. Oil; there was some oil on the ground where the car had been parked; > could this indicate serious trouble or explain why performance was not that > stellar? Oil leaks don't affect performance, but they're still a pain to deal with. Minis are pretty notorious for them, but you still want to know where it's leaking and whats involved in fixing it. > I politely thanked him but turned on my heals! Sounds like a wise move. > Please would you be able to point me towards the models or specs and years > of the 'Right car to buy' or should I be simply looking for a more genuine, > less tampered with car? What was the 'Best year'? I think in the US you're faced with such a limited market that you need to find cars and then decide if they're something you can live with. There have been a range of motors in Minis over the years, 848cc, 970cc, 997cc, 998cc, 1071cc, 1098cc and 1275cc, and many variations of these, particularly the 998, 1098 and 1275 motors. They all look visiually similar to the novice, so you need to learn how to tell what you're looking at. Naturally a shady dealer will always tell you it's a 1275, which he'll talk up to 1300cc or 1.3 litres. You want a car with disk front brakes. Aart from a handful of Mokes in Australia in 1972, no 1275 Minis were built with drum front brakes, and the drums require regular maintenance and adjustment. Other than that, I think you pretty much take what you can get at a sensible price. But it's not going to be a cheap economical car in th US, it's well past that stage and into colelctor territory. "There was never a factory 4 speed box" ---- what???/ Some wrong assumptions about conditions in the US but I won't get into that so I don't inflame the crowd.  Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. >> Gents, some help if you would be so kind. > [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > sensible price. But it's not going to be a cheap economical car in th US, > it's well past that stage and into colelctor territory. Are you in the USA? If a mini isn't 25 years old in the US it isn't legally there!! Some people try to fake it by sending later cars with older papers. Whilst a lot of people get away with it, if it gets found out it gets taken away!! I am not saying don't get a mini - I wouldn't own anything else - one but make sure you have someone who knows what they are doing. The Muffin Man > Gents, some help if you would be so kind. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Monty D. "Whilst a lot of people get away with it, if it gets found out it gets taken away!!" Give one example where this has happened? We always discuss this but no one has ever proven it happened. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. > Are you in the USA? If a mini isn't 25 years old in the US it isn't > legally there!! Some people try to fake it by sending later cars with [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> >> Monty D. What are you actually trying to say? I am incorrect? The US authorities aren't as good as the public image they try to give? It's worth trying to ring a car and try to dupe some poor unsuspecting American into buying a genuine 1982 cooper with rot in the doors and a factory fitted 5 speed box? Sounds like an episode of only fools and horses!! The Muffin Man > "Whilst a lot of people get away with it, if it gets found out it gets > taken away!!" [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >>> >>> Monty D. Here is my quote and I thought my query was clear "Give one example where this has happened? We always discuss this but no one has ever proven it happened." I am not saying it's right or wrong and I am a MKI person myself (nothing good left BMC after the is my belief) I was just wondering if you happened upon a true published story that you can offer. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. > What are you actually trying to say? I am incorrect? The US authorities > aren't as good as the public image they try to give? It's worth trying to [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >>>> >>>> Monty D. Just ignore him Muffin Man....he's just a tosser > What are you actually trying to say? I am incorrect? The US authorities > aren't as good as the public image they try to give? It's worth trying to [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >>>> >>>> Monty D. What's a tosser Tim? And wasn't I supposed to be in your killfile? Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. > Just ignore him Muffin Man....he's just a tosser > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Monty D. > What's a tosser Tim? And wasn't I supposed to be in your killfile? You guys f.cking drop it or I'm outta here. -Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com -- Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ >"Whilst a lot of people get away with it, if it gets found out it gets taken >away!!" > >Give one example where this has happened? We always discuss this but no one >has ever proven it happened. I know of some cars that have had their title's taken away. The owner got to keep the car, just not allowed to drive it! Same happened with the "brand new" VW Beetles from Mexico - totally rebuilt on 1970's floorpans to be old enough to import. Hi Howard: So it appears that you have first hand experience it seems. There was a recent fiasco here in California with the Mustang Boys versus the State. Contrary to the left wing whack belief I just asked the question to hear feedback not to challenge the Mini prowess of certain egoistical individuals. I see so many "1970" sportspack, front mounted radiator, AC, MPI, Twin Port, here in California that it gets sickening. I am a MKI person myself so this bothers me somewhat when they title them as 1961 and stuff. It is my opinion that those are hurting the Mini brand more than the MINI. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. >>"Whilst a lot of people get away with it, if it gets found out it gets >>taken [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Same happened with the "brand new" VW Beetles from Mexico - totally > rebuilt on 1970's floorpans to be old enough to import. Can't you all see he's just taking the piss? > Gents, some help if you would be so kind. > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Monty D. > Can't you all see he's just taking the piss? > >>Gents, some help if you would be so kind. Yup, I agree... has all the markings of a lesser spotted troll. ;-) Drew. 1st error was driving a BINI, 1st thumbs up is get a real one, not just twice the fun but twice the car...so long as technogadigits arn't on your list. 2nd Error, there is no such thing as a 1982 Mini Cooper...why you ask? simple the last real Mini Coopers where built prior to 1971...depending on who's history you read, between then and 1991 there was no Mini genuine factory cars badged as a Cooper. In 1991 there was a re-relase of the famous name that proved so succesful that it was built for genral release, but in reality it was primarily a badge and not the original to the ealry days specs. I know that in the USA many folk beleive that all little boxes on wheels, with the transverse engine that looks like a Mini is a Cooper...sadly this is not the case. A genuine MK1/MK2 or MK3 Cooper or Cooper S are rare in genuine original condition. There are however an abundance of Minis which some people call Coopers...in fact there are probably more Minis badged or called Coopers on the road to day than was ever actually built.... So what you where looking at was more than likely a Mini HL or HE 1000cc, which may or maynot have been repowered with a 1275/1300 enigine... What you need to decide is: 1/ Do you just want a nice Mini, and are prepared to pay a modest price? 2/ DO you want a genuine Cooper or Cooper S...then take out a 2nd mortagage on the house ! I suggest as your US based that you have a look at Mini Mania website, I think there California based (???) , do some reading, there are shed loads of books which cover the subject(try Amazon), join local clubs which specialise in Minis or at the very least British cars. Before you commit what may or may not be big dollars do your home work. They are wonderful little cars when properly sorted and built right....but a toatl bloody nightmare when built wrong and poorly maintained. They are basicaly, no matter what age the car you buy, and 45+ year old design and can be high maintenance, and if not right will very quickly turn into a milestone around you neck if you dont know what to look for or how to maintain it. Tim in New Zealand PS: please please USA buyers leave our dwindling supply of Minis alone...... > Gents, some help if you would be so kind. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Monty D. Gents, Your advise has been invaluable and as given me great incite. I have always enjoyed the advice of friends and enthusiasts in other NG's and this is no exception. Rocky Frisco, Graham W., Muffin Man, Tim, many thanks; looks like the united response is "Step away from the '82 Cooper, it's not right" and I think that I'd figured that out. Next step is to look a little further. I've spent the weekend following the links that you sent to me. Looking at what is around and what I need, I may opt to buy a new Mini, and, I'll consider myself a mini owner even if it's built by robots in Oxford... Why? because, it revived a legend for a new generation; one that started out saying; we need something better, we don't need to keep turning out the same old dated designs, front engine, rwd, let's do something different, maybe better, maybe not but we'll give it a shot. I may have missed out first time around when it was built from the parts available then, the new model is built out of the parts available now... Why wouldn't you? but it echoes the past. It is not a Toyota Bland, a Ford forgettable or a Honda Oddity... Or even a BMW One. My kids will tell their kids about the Mini that Dad had like my peers talk about their dad's Minis... Just wish I'd bought one a long time ago. Doogs, Drew, don't be ashamed to distrust people; in time as you grow up you'll learn to trust first, defend second, attack third. Thanks again. Motor on... Monty D. TY Monty, we will just agree to disagree on you choice LOL... I think whilst the BMW BINI is a nice car to drive etc etc, its only riding on the coat tails of the real Minis success. For my money I'd save myself a lot of Money and buy a Renualt Clio Sport 2L, more power, better handling and better style...or a Puegot 206...but I understand that you can't buy those in the States (??) The charm of the Mini is the "seat of the pants" driving style, and the basic and user friendly enginering. I wouldn't myself own anything but the real thing..infact last count I had 6.....all mint originals mix of geuine Cooper & Cooper S...and a very rare 1968 Mini Jem Coupe and no none are for sale LOL, been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years now....got my first one a 66 1275 S when I was 13, still own it today as I like to say " if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic" Tim > Gents, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Motor on... > Monty D. "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years now" yawn...... Then you should be grateful to the Germans (and there impeccable engineering) for resurrecting what is basically an run down car company (Rover et al) and breathing life to a name that would have died of as so many British icons have. MINI <<--- it's not a dirty word. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. > TY Monty, > we will just agree to disagree on you choice LOL... I think whilst the BMW [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> Motor on... >> Monty D. > "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years now" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (Rover et al) and breathing life to a name that would have died of as so > many British icons have. > MINI <<--- it's not a dirty word. Why the f.ck do you insist on this unnecessary trolling? I'm out of patience with you. One more of these offtopic bullshit messages from you and I will start sending your ISP a complaint every time you do it. I'm just about to abandon this newsgroup forever and it's because of worthless f.cking dickheads just like you. -Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com -- Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ Rock Don't take it so hard. I have to say he isn't a troll, but someone who we sometimes (often) disagree with. However, he takes his place within the NG. I think here (particularly as he is slagging the Uberhatch) he is taking part in the discussion with the newbie. I think the other guy may be a troll, but also may be someone who has no real passion for minis and was looking for one but has decided upon the Uberhatch. Don't leave over nothing. At least have a major bust-up before going! We have been down this road as an NG in the past and made our way through many obstacles as only you can *truly* comprehend!! Hell, I was here then!! Lets not overreact but learn from what happened then. Sorry to appear to be a granddad when you are so far my senior. That isn't my intention!! Yours The Muffin Man >> "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years >> now" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ > World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ > Rock > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sorry to appear to be a granddad when you are so far my senior. That isn't It's like this: I do not have an unlimited amount of time; if I begin to think any particular activity is unproductive, I abandon it. My main reason for using this group is to be of service to people with technical questions or questions about locating parts or cars. As you might have guessed, I virulently hate trolls. If this were the old lawless west, I would call the useless bastards out to the street without any regret. Any human who chooses to use a technical forum to try to cause dissension is, in my opinion, not worthy of the air they pollute with their foul breath. Rather than continue to put up with this Isellminis a.shole, I'm abandoning this newsgroup, saying I'm sorry I ever set the damned thing up. I advise those who use it to subscribe to the other, non-usenet Mini groups, where he will last about ten minutes. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/minilist/ http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/mowug/ Good bye and good luck. If fuckwit quits the group, let me know. -Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com -- Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ Oh my, very colorful words - lol. Do you kiss the Missus with them lips Cowboy? MINI <<---- I thank thee for making my Minis more valuable, at least in the USA. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. >> Rock >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ > World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ No need to threat, just do it - lol. I am very happy that I caused an action on your part BTW. MINI <<--- it's not an hypertensive word. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. >> "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years >> now" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ > World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ > > "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years now" > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/ > World's best free News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/news/ Hi, This prat just hasn't a clue what the real Mini is all about. This is obvious from his rantings about the German Hatch. Keith Hi Keith, a bit late to the party won't you say trollop? MINI <<---finally, deserving fine German engineering. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. >> > "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years > now" [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Keith >> "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years now" >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >-Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com Dear Rocky, I have lurked and sometimes contributed to this group over the past 5 or so years. I basically enjoy all things Mini and the general goodwill that is enjoyed amongst Mini owners and enthusiasts the world over. I have always valued your input and opinions on this news group, however you are far too sensitive when it comes to people who either hold a different general opinion on things, or frankly just want to wind you up, which seems to be the case this time. You may notice that I have censored your posted reply above, please try to rise above these guys instead of giving them what they want..... I personally run a kill file, if I don't like someone or their opinions I just filter them out as if they don't exist, and I would urge all other users of this group to do the same. I hope that you won't treat me as a troll and hurl foul mouthed abuse at me too..... I would hate to add you to my kill file as well. Regards Alan Thomas PS: I own a Riley Elf 1275, A 1969 Lotus elan +2, A Suzuki Swift Gti (I think you call them a Dodge Firefly in the States) and also a BMW Cooper S....... That doesn't make me a bad person and it is my choice, which I hope you will respect. f.ck OFF DICKHEAD! No one on this news group likes or values your thoughts and opinions so why don't you just be a good little boy and bugger off back to kindegarten > "been collecting, owning and driving Minis since I was 13, so 30 years > now" [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>> Motor on... >>> Monty D. Oh my Timmy Boy, you are in a rage aren't you - ROTFLMAO at you getting all wound up. You are not being forced to read my posts you know. It's not as if I am emailing you. MINI <<--- the best thing to happen to Minis. Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. > f.ck OFF DICKHEAD! No one on this news group likes or values your thoughts > and opinions so why don't you just be a good little boy and bugger off [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>> Motor on... >>>> Monty D. > Looking at what is around > and what I need, I may opt to buy a new Mini, and, I'll consider myself a > mini owner even if it's built by robots in Oxford... They're really completely different cars with 40 years seperating them. You've had a drive of a New MINI and enjoyed it, but don't expect the (old) Mini to be similar. It really sounds like you want/need a modern car with all mod cons. BTW, don't knock building cars by robot! They do a far better job than humans where they're suitable. I have personal experience of at least 5 people that have bought Minis and sold them within months and went to buy a MINI. Some of the things we diehards have to do to keep our wee beasties up and running is barbarous at best. Syncing carbs, adjusting points, greasing trailing arms, adjusting drum brakes, changing oil every 1000 miles, warming up an engine in the morning, lack of heat/defroster, etc, etc All I can say is don't depend on your Mini and always have a backup car (my experience). Signature_________________________________ http://austinmini.ositech.net Looking for cheap Austin Mini, Wagon, Clubman, Mokes and other variants for sale in the USA. >> Looking at what is around and what I need, I may opt to buy a new Mini, >> and, I'll consider myself a mini owner even if it's built by robots in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > BTW, don't knock building cars by robot! They do a far better job than > humans where they're suitable. > Gents, Big Snip... > Doogs, Drew, don't be ashamed to distrust people; in time as you grow up > you'll learn to trust first, defend second, attack third. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Motor on... > Monty D. No worries Monty, I have been playing this Usenet thing for a good few years now and have come across many many trolls (and quite a lot of plain old a.shole), I am not afraid to admit that in this case I was wrong, but your words sounded to at least two of us like you were taking the piss. After having trust betrayed by a good few people I prefer to distrust everyone until they have earned it. Have fun! Drew. |
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