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Car Forum / MINI / October 2004

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original sills pros and cons

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courtlandkevin - 30 Oct 2004 22:51 GMT
I've just had the sill replaced on the passenger side, of my 93 cooper, due
to a small hole near the jacking point. I took the car to a local bodyshop
and explained that I wanted original spec vented sill with six vents. I went
to pick up the car today only to find they had fitted the wide nonvented
type. They were very apologetic and have offered to fit the right type. My
concern is however, as these sills have been welded with a continuous seam
weld all round is it likely to cause any problems in removing them. The car
is my pride and joy and this is the first time it has needed any welding,  I
don't want to end up with a mess.

Thanks
Kevin.
k - 31 Oct 2004 00:04 GMT
Hi,
They are obviously just bodgers! These so-called "oversills" are used by
bodgers to cover the original rusted out sill, to save them the bother of
removing all the rusted material. The result is that the floor and
"oversill" will rust out in record time. As you say there is a continuous
welded seam along the lower edge, the sill will fill with water which cannot
drain out. The "oversill can be removed, but it may leave damage to the
floor where they grind away the weld.

Keith
> I've just had the sill replaced on the passenger side, of my 93 cooper, due
> to a small hole near the jacking point. I took the car to a local bodyshop
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Howard Rose - 31 Oct 2004 01:13 GMT
>Hi,
>They are obviously just bodgers! These so-called "oversills" are used by
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>drain out. The "oversill can be removed, but it may leave damage to the
>floor where they grind away the weld.

Exactly!  When I removed the cover sills from my project MK1, the
remains of the previous cover sills(!) we just flakes of rust.  I
didn't even find any of the original sills at all!
Kelley Mascher - 31 Oct 2004 18:00 GMT
I agree with Keith.

If you haven't already, pull up the carpets and check the condition of
the interior floor. Has it been repainted properly? The usual bodge is
to put undercoating over the area where the paint was burned off. It
should have been primed and well painted.

From the outside of the car, count the number of layers of metal in
the horizontal seam below the door jam. There should be two layers. If
there are three this means that the repair on your car was done
without removing the original rusted sill. This leaves rusted metal
inside the sill box section to continue rusting. This will spread
fairly quickly to the new metal. I have seen cars imported to the
U.S., at great expense, that have had as many as 5 layers.

If either of the above appear to be the case, I would try to get my
money back and have someone better do the repair. This is a difficult
decision because of the money involved. However, there is no doubt in
my mind that the over-sill must be removed and the repair done right.
There is no reason removing the over-sill should damage the floor,
other than the fact that person doing the removal is incompetent.

Cheers,

Kelley

>Hi,
>They are obviously just bodgers! These so-called "oversills" are used by
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Jono Barspeed - 31 Oct 2004 10:02 GMT
oh dear,

I would get them to remove the sill and fit a proper one, and thoroughly
inspect it afterwards.
Cover sills are a cheap and nasty quick repair, i fitted these once but the
car was crap and wasnt a cherished example.
I fitted short sills to my mk1, the floor was in good condition as was the
step and only required spot welding underneath and along the lip. The
original was all removed and prior to welding the inside area was hamerited,
although it did catch alight a little bit when welding.

Jon

> I've just had the sill replaced on the passenger side, of my 93 cooper,
> due to a small hole near the jacking point. I took the car to a local
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> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004
 
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