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My MPI mini not running

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Richard Palmer - 02 Nov 2004 21:21 GMT
hi all, have always used this group to help me out in the past, as i
find it very helpfull!!

but this time i am totally stuck, so i have had to post a thread up!!

Ok, i was driving my 96' MPI cooper home from work the other night,
when the engine just starts to die, i eventually pulled it into a
layby where it passed away.

The engine wouldn't start, unless i pulse the throttle loads of times,
really lightly getting harder where it will start to rev, the faster i
press the throttle. But as soon as i press and hold the throttle the
engine will go BARRRRRR and cut out.

What do you think this is down to?

I have taken the injectors, but am just waiting for a new set of
o'-rings to replace the old ones with.

regards
Rich
Ray - 02 Nov 2004 22:11 GMT
> What do you think this is down to?
>
> I have taken the injectors, but am just waiting for a new set of
> o'-rings to replace the old ones with.

Sounds like its just not getting any fuel, so fuel pump first.
Check the fuse for the fuel pump.
Also press the fuel cutt-off inertia switch. It is located under the bonnet.
Open bonnet, look to the bonnet left (car-left) corner near the passenger
door (for right hand drive). There is a switch on the bulkhead, it has a
black rubber cap on it (square 1x1 inch with circle in it). Press down on
the rubber cap.

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Bye, Ray

Richard Palmer - 03 Nov 2004 19:30 GMT
Hi ray, the fuel pump is still working as i can hear the high pitch
noise coming from the unit.

Also have already pressed the fuel cut off inertia switch.

There is some fuel going in, as i can start it, and it ticks over for
a few seconds.

i have asked rover for a new fuel filter, and they need to know the
thread size, any ideas on that?

regards
Richard

> > What do you think this is down to?
> >
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> black rubber cap on it (square 1x1 inch with circle in it). Press down on
> the rubber cap.
Steve68s - 03 Nov 2004 21:46 GMT
This is a long shot, not sure if this is the same on mpi's but I had a
single point 93 cooper, near the top of the accelerator pedal is a small
micro switch, which operates something when you press the throttle, if this
goes faulty it will start & tick over but the engine can cut out when you
press the throttle, just a thought,

Steve.

> Hi ray, the fuel pump is still working as i can hear the high pitch
> noise coming from the unit.
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> > black rubber cap on it (square 1x1 inch with circle in it). Press down on
> > the rubber cap.
Fitzy - 04 Nov 2004 10:00 GMT
Worth a try !!!
Sounds a bit like the fault I had a few days ago with my single point ,
check the ECU harness and also the security of the plug when it enters the
ECU, I found 2 wires fractured , one of these wires controlled the pump
relay, as the ECU bolted to the inner wing, the harness moves with the
engine, I assumed this caused my fault, Check my postings above,,,,,,
Fitzy

> This is a long shot, not sure if this is the same on mpi's but I had a
> single point 93 cooper, near the top of the accelerator pedal is a small
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> on
>> > the rubber cap.
Fitzy - 05 Nov 2004 22:00 GMT
Worth a try !!!
Sounds a bit like the fault I had a few days ago with my single point ,
check the ECU harness and also the security of the plug when it enters the
ECU, I found 2 wires fractured , one of these wires controlled the pump
relay, as the ECU bolted to the inner wing, the harness moves with the
engine, I assumed this caused my fault, Check my postings above,,,,,,
Fitzy

> This is a long shot, not sure if this is the same on mpi's but I had a
> single point 93 cooper, near the top of the accelerator pedal is a small
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> on
>> > the rubber cap.
Graham W - 07 Nov 2004 00:17 GMT
> Ok, i was driving my 96' MPI cooper home from work the other night,
> when the engine just starts to die, i eventually pulled it into a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> What do you think this is down to?

First chant the mantra:
"Compression, mixture, spark."

Have you still got compression? It's unlikley to be the problem, but
it's also dead easy to check. Pull out the spark plugs and see if they
all look alike. You're unlikely to suddenly lose compression on all four
cylinders at once, and if one is down, the plug will look different.

MOre likely is seriously incorrect mixture. With an injected motor, that
could be caused by any of a number of sensors (or their associated
wiring) no longer working right. It could also be vacuum leaks or
injector problems. I would suspect a vacuum leak if it will nurse up to
higher revs but won't carry a load.

The remaining possibility is an ignition failure resulting in poor spark
quality. Duff ignition leads or spark plugs can cause this sort of
problem, but usually it only affects one cylinder. Check the resistance
of the coil to distributor high tension lead. It should be something of
the order of 5,000 ohms. If it's much more than about 10,000 ohms, it's
died.

> I have taken the injectors, but am just waiting for a new set of
> o'-rings to replace the old ones with.

Why?
What tests lead you to believe the injectors are faulty?

Stick with the likely causes and test before putting time and money into
fixing things that are probably perfectly alright.
Chris Spreadbury \(Home\) - 12 Nov 2004 21:17 GMT
Could the exhaust be blocked with the catalyst?

the cat broke up on my 94 M carb Mini 35 and blocked the rear box of the
exhaust, it was down for power and then stopped completely, There wasnt much
pressure of gases coming out of the exaust and the they were extremely hot.

The cat was always getting knocked when going over speed hmps etc

> hi all, have always used this group to help me out in the past, as i
> find it very helpfull!!
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> regards
> Rich
James H - 22 Nov 2004 18:23 GMT
Just to add my 2p worth, I agree with the previous posts that suggest
checking the simple stuff first, I have had bad experiences with high tech
solutions.

My MPi Cooper had been playing up with starting problems and over fueling to
the point where it was running so rich I couldn't get it thought an MOT.

After much head scratching from Rover and their 'magic' diagnostics system,
they changed my fuel pump (twice), injectors (twice), ECU (twice), cat
convertor and put a new inlet manifold on because the existing one 'had
porus welds on it' before finally telling me it was OK and getting it
through an MOT emissions test.

The car died on me again after having had it back 2 weeks.  I finally gave
up and phoned Minimaster in Penrith who came and took the car away on their
flatbed.

After looking at it and fault finding the old fashioned way, they found an
intermittent short on the wiring loom which had been causing one of the
injectors to be energising when it shouldn't, pissing fuel into the engine
almost all the time.

You'll be pleased to know that I got a healthy discount from Rovers invoice
once my wife had finished 'discussing' things on the phone with them (she
does angry customer so much better than me).

It also reinforced the point to me that if you can't find the problem
yourself, you need an experienced mini mechanic to sort it , not dealership
guys with a laptop.......

Cheers

James

> hi all, have always used this group to help me out in the past, as i
> find it very helpfull!!
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> regards
> Rich
k - 22 Nov 2004 20:29 GMT
> Just to add my 2p worth, I agree with the previous posts that suggest
> checking the simple stuff first, I have had bad experiences with high tech
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>
> Cheers

Hi, You just can't beat a time-served PRACTICAL mechanic, brought up on
motor vehicles in real life. I once worked with a "mechanic" who had every
diploma going, but in practice he was F****** useless.

Keith
> James
>
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> > regards
> > Rich

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