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Car Forum / MINI / January 2005Fitting front w/screen
Hi All, Advice needed, I am having a problem fitting the front screen on my 1987/8 mini City E, (the screen was removed while we re-painted the car) I have tried pulling it in with the usual cord,,, (without success) I managed to rip the rubber seal,, I am now fitting the new seal to the windscreen aperture first,, then sliding the bottom of the screen in to the seal, This procedure doesn't sound right to me, as the next step would be to slowly pick the seal over the glass with a screwdriver or something similar, any suggestions ? Fitzy > Hi All, > Advice needed, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > similar, any suggestions ? > Fitzy You might use a piece of rope to lift the rubber, and slide the rope along the edge that needs fitting. At the end, just pull out the rope, and no damage is done! Good luck! Proud Dutch Mini Kensington owner Hi NickName, Thanks for your reply,, I have tried pulling the screen in ,using the correct "rope method", when the rope was about 30% of the way through,,, the seal became very tight and it was almost impossible to pull the rope out , this caused damage to the seal, Fitzy >> Hi All, >> Advice needed, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Proud Dutch Mini Kensington owner Hello, are you using a new screen rubber? they go in quite easy normaly, the fun starts when you put the filler strip in, you can make one with a coat hanger to save buying one, but loads of soapy water helps, although neat washing up liquid will rot the rubber, Steve. > Hi NickName, > Thanks for your reply,, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Proud Dutch Mini Kensington owner Cheers Steve,, Yes ,, I am using a new rubber seal, its proving to be a right pain in the bum, I think the problem is the dash crash pad, the top section appears to be very close to the seam that the rubber fits over,, anyway I have given up for now,,, get crimbo out of the way and start again in the New Year.. Have a good one Steve,, (Peter) Fitzy > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> >>> Proud Dutch Mini Kensington owner Hi, Fitzy, When you start again on your windscren, use plenty of neat washing up liquid on the job. Makes everything slide easier. Keioth > Cheers Steve,, > Yes ,, I am using a new rubber seal, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >>> > >>> Proud Dutch Mini Kensington owner I will try that,, Thanks "k" MC&HNY Fitzy > Hi, Fitzy, > When you start again on your windscren, use plenty of neat washing up [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> >>> >> >>> Proud Dutch Mini Kensington owner hiya mini screens front and rear should be fitted without using string or rope there really isnt any need but lubrication is advised with washingup liquid and water, to fit the trim you will be better off buying a windscreen trim tool avaliable from mini sport etc. fragged > Hi All, > Advice needed, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > any suggestions ? > Fitzy Hi Fragged, when you say fit the screens without the usual rope pull in method, what would you suggest, will it be best to fit the rubber to the body first, Fitzy > hiya > mini screens front and rear should be fitted without using string or rope [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> any suggestions ? >> Fitzy Absolute Bas***d,,, It still wont go back in, its almost as if its the wrong screen or the wrong rubber, we have tried every combination, 1) rubber on glass first,, with rope, and pull in 2) rubber on screen aperture and slide screen in then pick the rubber over it with screwdrivers, 3) even tried the screen from inside , and pull the string outside 4) fitted a new rubber, still the same 5) removed top part of dash just in case it was jamming the rubber, no different still wont go in fully, There hasn't been any repairs in the area of the screen,other than the new wings and "A" panels, the glass was removed to fully paint the shell, has anyone else suffered with this kind of problem, Fitzy > Hi Fragged, > when you say fit the screens without the usual rope pull in method, what [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> any suggestions ? >>> Fitzy It is a dark art. If you take it to auto windscreens or whatever you will watch a man use a screwdriver and some soapy water. He will take 30 seconds to do it. He has sold his soul for this ability!! The Muffin Man > Absolute Bas***d,,, > It still wont go back in, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>>> any suggestions ? >>>> Fitzy You sure its the right rubber? it should have the sepprate filler strip, ( this goes in after ) Steve. > Absolute Bas***d,,, > It still wont go back in, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>>> any suggestions ? >>>> Fitzy > Absolute Bas***d,,, > It still wont go back in, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Fitzy Some are difficult (when using new rubber) but I have always pulled them in with string (from the inside). Hope you have the plastic key removed. When the screen is in, usually thump it with the palm of my hand till its flat in place - some do use a rubber mallet. Then replace the key with the windscreen tool. >>Hi Fragged, >>when you say fit the screens without the usual rope pull in method, what [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>>>any suggestions ? >>>>Fitzy Been following this thread and the one thing that I have not heard mentioned was the use of suction cups. I personally would never try a windscreen install with out them. Check out the link below for a picture. I'm sure these are availably in the UK. Good luck JimBob > http://www.anver.com/document/vacuum%20handcups/hndcup-pump.htm >> Absolute Bas***d,,, >> It still wont go back in, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Fitzy Thanks Gunny, These tools look good, and would be suitable for large screens etc, but the screen on a mini is only about 16" x 45" and is easily accessed over a very short bonnet, Thanks for your input, much appreciated Fitzy > Been following this thread and the one thing that I have not heard > mentioned was the use of suction cups. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> >>> Fitzy Hi People Yes,,,,,,, we have the plastic key (locking strip) removed and we have tried,, what I would call ,,"The usual pull cord method" ,, it starts to pull in ok from the bottom of the screen first, but as it gets halfway up the sides, that's when it gets tight, and by the time the cord gets to the two top corners of the screen, its almost impossible to pull the cord without damage to the rubber seal, I am about to try a second hand windscreen from a 1980/81 mini, hopefully this might go in, I will comeback with update soon, Thanks for the input,,,,,,,,much appreciated it can be viewed on this site,,, its the Red mini in the body shop with masking paper http://groups.msn.com/ClassicMiniPreservationSociety Fitzy >> Absolute Bas***d,,, >> It still wont go back in, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>>>>any suggestions ? >>>>>Fitzy > Hi People > Yes,,,,,,, we have the plastic key (locking strip) removed and we have [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >> 3) even tried the screen from inside , and pull the string outside > >> 4) fitted a new rubber, still the same Hi, I think you must have a problem with either the screen or the body, Fitzy. I have never taken more than about 20 minutes to fit a Mini screen, and I have fitted many of them. Keith how does the size of the new rubber compare to the old one if you sill have it? cross sectionaly, Steve. >> Hi People >> Yes,,,,,,, we have the plastic key (locking strip) removed and we have [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Keith Aren't there two widths of rubber, wide and normal. Could the wide one be harder to fit? I know the wide one makes your car rot (faster than normal that is LOL) The Muffin Man > how does the size of the new rubber compare to the old one if you sill > have it? cross sectionaly, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> Keith Not sure about the rubber sizes Muffy, but I will look in to it, Fitzy > Aren't there two widths of rubber, wide and normal. Could the wide one be > harder to fit? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>> >>> Keith > Aren't there two widths of rubber, wide and normal. Could the wide one be > harder to fit? That's something I hadn't thought of. Have a look at this site http://www.scottsoldautorubber.com.au/page4.gif They list a number of screen rubbers. Perhaps you have the wrong one. Good luck John I wasn't meaning wrong but different. They fitted a wide rubber later on and all it did was collect water!! The Muff >> Aren't there two widths of rubber, wide and normal. Could the wide one >> be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John Hi Muffy I have compared the selection of rubbers I have now accumulated, LOL,,, they all appear to be the same size as the original, could be that I have now got 3 rubber seals all of the same type, Cheers muffy I haven't got round to having another go at the screen today,,,,,,,,,,,,,, been to busy putting the fence panels back, and the gardens back to together after the high winds, Fitzy >I wasn't meaning wrong but different. They fitted a wide rubber later on >and all it did was collect water!! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> John > Hi Muffy > I have compared the selection of rubbers I have now accumulated, LOL,,, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> >>> John Thanks John, The seals I have are very similar to the first diagram marked Typical application so I would assume the seal is the correct type for the car, The page you sent was very useful,, cheers Fitzy Hi Keith, You are probably right, about the screen or body issue, and I totally agree with you about fitting a mini screen or any other pull cord screen, in less than 20 min's and its one of those jobs that is a pleasure to do because its easy and the end result is usually perfect,,,,,,,,,,,,,but not with this car ? one thing I have noticed is there are 2 types of screen for minis, one is toughened and the other is laminated, the laminated screen is about 7 or 8 mm thick and the other is about 4 or 5mm thick , I now have both screens, the original is laminated, and I will now attempt to fit the toughened screen at the weekend, Cheers Fitzy >> Hi People >> Yes,,,,,,, we have the plastic key (locking strip) removed and we have [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Keith OK, Fitzy, good luck with it Keith > Hi Keith, > You are probably right, about the screen or body issue, [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > > > Keith The story so far,,,,,,,,,, Tried fitting the narrower glass ,by pulling it in with string, screen pulled straight through the apperture, and ended up inside the car with me ?? bought a second hand rubber from a 86/87 city E fitted the rubber to the car first,, lots of washing up liquid,, useing the original screen I slid the screen in the bottom section of the rubber and slowly picked the rubber over the top half of the screen, eventually it went in , so all I need now is a tool for installing the locking strip, ANYONE GOT A TOOL FOR SALE Thanks to all Fitzy > bought a second hand rubber... > eventually it went in That is unusual, old rubber is usually the problem most people have getting it to work. > , so all I need now is a tool for installing the locking strip, > ANYONE GOT A TOOL FOR SALE Have you tried without? I did it the first time without and don't remember having a problem. I have always been able to borrow a tool since then. The Muffin Man Hello People, Hi Muff, I think the new rubber was flexible and softer,causing the glass to grip and restrict movement even with washing up type liquid all over it, Because the older rubber was hard and less flexible, this allowed more slip, I tried the new rubber on the glass , slid it back and forward a few times, and it started to grip, did the same experiment with the older harder rubber, and found very little friction grip, I am assuming this is the reason the screen eventually went in, ????? I didn't try fitting the locking strip just yet , I want to seal the screen with some kind of silicone first, then fit the locking strip, I thought by using the tool ,it would be faster , and I could complete the job before the sealer cured, sorry my posts are a bit long, I promise to shorten them in future Fitzy >> bought a second hand rubber... >> eventually it went in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The Muffin Man > I think the new rubber was flexible and softer,causing the glass to > grip and restrict movement even with washing up type liquid [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > little friction grip, > I am assuming this is the reason the screen eventually went in, That would it be. I always fit the screen with some WD-40 (contact/oil universal-for-everything- spray), this is good for the rubber, too and doesn't loose friction so fast. > I didn't try fitting the locking strip just yet , I want to seal the > screen with some kind of silicone first, then fit the locking strip, Don't do that- you won't be able to get the screen out anymore if you need to change it again. The sealing with the rubber will be okay. > I thought by using the tool ,it would be faster , and I could > complete the job before the sealer cured, It's much easier with that tool, but you can easily build your own: you need only some hard wire. Here is an illustration of that tool: http://www.minimotorsport.de/etk_detail.asp?MOD=MIN&Artikelnummer=18G468Z > sorry my posts are a bit long, I promise to shorten them in future Ups, mine are long as well :) Timo Excellent, Thank you Timo, Fitzy >> I think the new rubber was flexible and softer,causing the glass to >> grip and restrict movement even with washing up type liquid [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Timo > I want to seal the screen > with some kind of silicone first, Don't do that. Use the proper black screen sealer. It's meant to seal to rubber which not all sealers do. My caravan developed a leak that I eventually traced to the manufacturers using the wrong mastic on the window rubbers. The rubber dried the mastic so that it cracked and leaked. I have a seal insertion tool made from an old cheap pressed steel brake adjusting spanner. It works well enough for the number of times that I use it. John >> I want to seal the screen >> with some kind of silicone first, > Don't do that. FACK Never use silicone -your vanisher will get in panic if you use that bad stuff. Use proper things for your lovely car! Timo Thanks for the advice Timo I have the proper windscreen sealer now, all I nee now is a tool to insert the locking strip, Thanks Fitzy >>> I want to seal the screen >>> with some kind of silicone first, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Timo > Thanks for the advice Timo > I have the proper windscreen sealer now, > all I nee now is a tool to insert the locking strip, > Thanks > Fitzy The tool can be made from piano wire (060-070" dia)which is hi tensile. bend to fit around the filler strip (diamond shape) then bend the two ends 90 degrees. get a bit of steel tube or drill the end of a rod (to make handle) and push both ends into that and fix with solder - solder inplace so as not to heat effect the tensile of the wire. small tube is better as you flatten it to clear the hole through the tool or the rod has to be ground off to achieve the same result. >>>>I want to seal the screen >>>>with some kind of silicone first, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >>Timo Thanks Rob, one of the other posters Timo, sent a link illustrating the tool, costing 13-50euros,,,,,,,,, its about ?10-00,, its not the cost, its the availability Thanks for the piano wire tip though, Fitzy >> Thanks for the advice Timo >> I have the proper windscreen sealer now, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> >>>Timo Don't worry about length (of post :-) You can get proper widow sealer. I think you are supposed to put it inside the seal before you fit it though. I am not sure if it cures or not. I don't know how good ordinary silicone would be. I have used it in outdoor situations before and found it lasts about 5-10 minutes before the ravages of English weather remove it!! The Muffin Man > Hello People, > Hi Muff, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> The Muffin Man > Don't worry about length (of post :-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The Muffin Man Windscreen mastic which does not go hard applies after the screen has been fitted. (I think that you would not know where to clean the stuff up if its applied before) There is a silastic windscreen sealer now to replace the mastic stuff will stay soft just forms a skin - also applied after. I have found that if I use a new rubber they have not leaked and no sealer is required. My advice would be to fit and try before using sealant. >>Hello People, >>Hi Muff, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>> >>>The Muffin Man Thanks for the advice people, I always worry about the length of the posts, I suppose it comes from the days when everyone was on dial up and it took ages to download, but I assume most if not all are on broadband now, cheers Muffy, The trick with the adjusting spanner is clever, I will devise something with this in mind as I have not found the correct tool to either buy or borrow, thanks John, I would probably get on at Bingley at the end of the month, but I dont want to wait till then, I never fitted the new rubber,,, I ended up fitting a good second-hand one , so I will use the recommended sealer on this seal, Peter hiya y thats right the most i ever use is a plastic body filler spatula to ease in the last bit of screen with out damaging the seal. It does sometimes require a punch or two with the palm of your hand to push the screen in the right direction but they go in pretty easy. fragged > Hi All, > Advice needed, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > any suggestions ? > Fitzy |
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