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Car Forum / MINI / January 2005Unleaded conversion
Hi All, Has anyone used this product, if so then what is your opinion, I am contemplating putting it in my 1997 City E http://www.broquet.co.uk/ Fitzy And Elvis was sitting next to Fitzy in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said: > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.broquet.co.uk/ Leaving aside the whole matter of whether it works or not, look at the bloody price for the things! You wouldn't have to spend all that much more to get hardened inserts put in the head - and those DO work, guaranteed. Well these things go back to WW2 where they where used in Hurricane engines to overcome problems with poor grade Russian fuel, think the guy who invented it was given a medal by the Russians too, I personally would run the engine till the valves burn out then pop on a replacement head from a unleaded engine or a lead free head, although once I did have 1986 golf GTI 8v that used to pink when used on unleaded fuel, after playing with the ignition timing, to stop the pre ignition meant adjusting the timing so far a loss of performance was noticed, a vw specialist told me they could fit a fule catalyst to sort the problem, seems they put one of these things in, I was able to re set the timing with no pinking again, as far as valve seat erosion goes I cant comment, Steve. > And Elvis was sitting next to Fitzy in the spaceship, which I thought > was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You wouldn't have to spend all that much more to get hardened inserts > put in the head - and those DO work, guaranteed. Hi -AD- I have Emailed the guy and was quoted ?56-00 plus ?2-00 p&p, this is for a one time treatment, that will last for 250,000 miles So for ?58 quid, it guarantees a smoother engine and a cooler combustion chamber, (no need for hardened seats) I think hardened valve seats would be double that figure, and on top of that ,there's labour and gaskets to remove, strip, rebuild & refit the head Fitzy > And Elvis was sitting next to Fitzy in the spaceship, which I thought > was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You wouldn't have to spend all that much more to get hardened inserts > put in the head - and those DO work, guaranteed. And Elvis was sitting next to Fitzy in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said: > I have Emailed the guy and was quoted ?56-00 plus ?2-00 p&p, > this is for a one time treatment, that will last for 250,000 miles > So for ?58 quid, it guarantees a smoother engine and a cooler combustion > chamber, (no need for hardened seats) Tell you what, I've got a couple of old 12 Oz bars of plumber's solder in the shed - that's 40% tin (and the rest is lead, which is what they used to put in petrol, right?) Give me a few hours and I'll cut it up into pellets and fill a nylon bag with 'em. You can have it for, oh, let's say ten quid. Drop it in your tank, and away you go. I really would love to hear any explanation why that would work any less effectively than the commercial products. I'll offer you exactly the same guarantee as they do - if you have your engine tuned and set to the correct CO emmission level after fitting (as they recommend), then I GUARANTEE you will see improved smoothness and fuel economy. I'll also guarantee that your engine will absolutely not be damaged as a direct result of using my bag of solder in your tank. > I think hardened valve seats would be double that figure, and on top of that > ,there's labour and gaskets to remove, strip, rebuild & refit the head I paid round about 80 quid last time I had a head done (about 18 months ago). Not a huge difference in price. Not meaning to give offence, but if it was my car I'd much rather spend the extra and do the job properly. *shrug* It's your money... i picked up an unleaded head from a scrap yard for ?15.00p (1275cc) head gasket set ?8.50p rocker box gasket ?1.00p 3.5 hrs work to fit > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fitzy > Hi All, > > Has anyone used this product, if so then what is your opinion, > > I am contemplating putting it in my 1997 City E Well, have a look at the claims these companies make for their product. Do you believe 'em all? http://www.clearairplus.com/ http://www.carburetters.co.uk/Fuelcat.php Look at the Broquet website at: http://www.broquet.co.uk/add.htm and search the page for FBHVC. The company responds to some questions about why their product failed some testing. They used the common snake oil out of "the tests did not represent actual road conditions" rather than explain why other products worked and theirs did not. You may interpret this differently than I did but it's certainly worth reading before you buy. If you want to lower the running temperature you could try running synthetic oil. ( I'm being bad here, trying to hijack the thread and start a flame war at the same time, sorry, I'm weak ) Cheers, Kelley >Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Fitzy > If you want to lower the running temperature you could try running > synthetic oil. ( I'm being bad here, trying to hijack the thread and > start a flame war at the same time, sorry, I'm weak ) > Cheers, > Kelley Do not use full synthetic oil in a mini - ever. as the engine oil is shared with the gearbox, the meshing of the gears significantly reduces the molecule length and thus lubricating properties of the oil, leading to a knackered mini engine - plus synthetic is bloody expensive! >> If you want to lower the running temperature you could try running >> synthetic oil. ( I'm being bad here, trying to hijack the thread and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of the oil, leading to a knackered mini engine - plus synthetic is bloody > expensive! Come on Ryan, don't fall into the trap!! Bad bad naughty Kelley :D The Muffin Man >Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.broquet.co.uk/ It astonished me that anybody still falls for this. It is a complete con. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fitzy See http://www.classiccarsmagazine.co.uk/nav?page=classiccars.specialfeatures.detail &resource=407868 Is it just the memory effect that makes the fuel catalysts etc appear to work? Hi "TurboJo" A very interesting read, Thanks folks,, I think I will look for a replacement head ,, Anyone got a head they would like to sell ?? Fitzy >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Is it just the memory effect that makes the fuel catalysts etc appear to > work?
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