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Car Forum / MINI / January 2005

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Converting Head to Unleaded

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TurboJo - 13 Jan 2005 22:34 GMT
When converting to unleaded is it just the exhaust valve seats that need
inserts?
k - 14 Jan 2005 15:24 GMT
Hi, Dont do only half of the job, do them all.

Keith

> When converting to unleaded is it just the exhaust valve seats that need
> inserts?
Rob - 15 Jan 2005 01:53 GMT
> Hi, Dont do only half of the job, do them all.
>
> Keith

WHY?

Theres no heat going through the inlet inserts.

>>When converting to unleaded is it just the exhaust valve seats that need
>>inserts?
k - 15 Jan 2005 12:37 GMT
> > Hi, Dont do only half of the job, do them all.
> >
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> >>When converting to unleaded is it just the exhaust valve seats that need
> >>inserts?

Hi,
It is not so much the heat as the constant hammering of the valve against
the seat.

Keith
Kelley Mascher - 15 Jan 2005 20:45 GMT
No offense, but it is the heat. Inlets are cooled by the fuel air
mixture passing over them while the exhaust is heated by the exhaust
gases. If an engine is run lean for a long period of time you can burn
an inlet valve but it is very unusual and by the time that happens the
exhaust valves are completely wrecked.

The hammering of the valve on the seat is a factor but it is a
significantly greater factor on a hotter valve than it is on a cooler
one.

Automotive machine shops will almost always recommend inserts in all
valves. Of course, they get paid by the insert. They will also
recommend having all valve seats cut when only the exhausts are
burned. They get paid by the seat. Eventually when a head has had the
valve seats cut several times you have to have inserts installed in
for all of the valves.

IMO, the valves are so close together in an A-series head that it's a
bad idea to put inserts in the intake side unless absolutely
necessary.

The best advice is, don't run lean, run a bit rich. Fuel is cheap
compared to machine shop time.

Cheers,

Kelley

>> > Hi, Dont do only half of the job, do them all.
>> >
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>
>Keith
The Muffin Man - 16 Jan 2005 13:48 GMT
> The best advice is, don't run lean, run a bit rich. Fuel is cheap
> compared to machine shop time.

Is it?  Depends on how many miles you do to wreck it and need new inserts
and whether your head is anything fancy or just bog standard.  You can buy a
head for ?150 delivered.

The Muffin Man
(-AD-) - 17 Jan 2005 08:50 GMT
And Elvis was sitting next to Kelley Mascher in the spaceship, which I
thought was kinda weird, but then they turned to me and said:

> IMO, the valves are so close together in an A-series head that it's a
> bad idea to put inserts in the intake side unless absolutely
> necessary.

The guy who used to run the machine shop I take my lumps of iron to once
told me that he never did inlet inserts A series heads. in his opinion,
you have to either cut too much metal away between the valves, or use
inserts that are really too thin.
 
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