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Car Forum / MINI / June 2005

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"New" Real Mini - part 2

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c - 09 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT
Hi everyone

On a slightly different note; I read that when mg-rover was formed BMW went
off with the "new" Mini leaving Rover the rights to sell the remaining "old"
minis.

If this is the case and with the administrators of MG-Rover selling off the
company bit by bit, is it feasible that someone may buy the rights of the
old mini and restart production, at least as a kit car?

Just a thought - please don't shout at me if I'm way off track!

Clive
Nicholas Bales - 09 Jun 2005 16:28 GMT
> Hi everyone
>
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> company bit by bit, is it feasible that someone may buy the rights of the
> old mini and restart production, at least as a kit car?

I believe that part of the agreement with BMW was that production of the
old Mini had to stop. The "rights" to build the Mini are therefore
non-existent.

Besides, one of the reasons for killing off the Mini was new European
standards on emissions and safety. The Mini simply couldn't compete with
other cars in EuroNCAP crash tests. Non-compliance would make it illegal
to sell these cars in the EU, which would restrict the market to much to
make it commercially viable. The kit car market is essentially UK only.

All the tooling is now in the hands of BMH Ltd, who has been producing
all body panels and complete bodyshells as spare parts for several years
now.

BMH was officially sold off as part of Land Rover, so that means that
effectively, the Mini tooling now belongs to Ford.
c - 09 Jun 2005 16:35 GMT
> effectively, the Mini tooling now belongs to Ford.

D'oh!

Clive
David Betts - 10 Jun 2005 08:08 GMT
>Besides, one of the reasons for killing off the Mini was new European
>standards on emissions and safety. The Mini simply couldn't compete with
>other cars in EuroNCAP crash tests. Non-compliance would make it illegal
>to sell these cars in the EU, which would restrict the market to much to
>make it commercially viable. The kit car market is essentially UK only.

Not necessarily, no. Any car which can be registered in one European
company is legal in others, although some countries - notably France -
ignore this. There are a number of test cases at the moment to
overturn the intransigence of the French authorities with regard to
kit cars. Certainly there is a kit car market in the Netherlands,
Belgium, Germany and Spain that I am aware of. Limited production and
component cars are being sold into the new demoncracies of Eastern
Europe as well.

Also, EuroNCAP tests are advisory for consumers and not directly
related to what is legal or not. It is true that the Mini was going to
have difficulties passing the next round of European over-regulation
on safety and emissions, but that can certainly be overcome in limited
production or component form. No reason why we shouldn't go on
building Minis for ever, really.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Nicholas Bales - 10 Jun 2005 08:34 GMT
>>Besides, one of the reasons for killing off the Mini was new European
>>standards on emissions and safety. The Mini simply couldn't compete with
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> component cars are being sold into the new demoncracies of Eastern
> Europe as well.

Well this would be good news. Here in France, if you admit to changing
your oil yourself, you're generally regarded as a dangerous terrorist.
Legally, you are not even allowed to fit an aftermarket steering wheel,
although obviously there is some tolerance. Fitting a 1275 into a Mini
100O is a complete no-no, even if everybody knows that there are no
technical differences.

Currently, if your name isn't Peugeot or Renault, you have absolutely no
chance of going through the paperwork and inspections that are required
to get a homebuilt car registered.

> Also, EuroNCAP tests are advisory for consumers and not directly
> related to what is legal or not. It is true that the Mini was going to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Mick Rouse - 09 Jun 2005 22:48 GMT
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