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Car Forum / MINI / November 2005The Rover Factory Now
www.28dayslater.co.uk/for....php?t=208 Found this on a Mini website, very sad. Taffy No it doesn't work oh well try this then? http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 Taffy > www.28dayslater.co.uk/for....php?t=208 > > Found this on a Mini website, very sad. > > Taffy What an absolute shame, Taff, and the ironical thing is, towards the end,, the rover factory was producing a very nice range of cars, better than it has done for years, Fitzy > No it doesn't work oh well try this then? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Taffy >> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > better than it has done for years, > Fitzy Bwahhahhahhhahhaaa. Don't be so f.cking stupid, all late rovers were shite, even when rebadged and given spoilers and marketed at MG's. The last good rovers were the mini's, the sd's and the earlier cars.  SignatureCheerz - Brownz http://www.brownz.org/ LOL, I thank you for your very articulate and educated reply, by telling me what you know , you have just confirmed exactly what you don't know,?? enjoy your overpriced, over rated,euro hatch back, with the wrong badges on it, Fitzy >>> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >>> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and given spoilers and marketed at MG's. > The last good rovers were the mini's, the sd's and the earlier cars. >>>> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >>>> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > badges on it, > Fitzy Stop Top posting. I owned 4 minis before adding the bini to the fold. I 'm currently restoring a very holy 92 MC1275. How can you rate the trash rover were creating at the end ? Thats exactly why they went out of business, producing outdated cars that were thrown together and started falling apart 10miles from the dealers. My uncle bought a 400 (against the families advice) and he had no end of problems with it. The thing spent more time in the local dealers than being driven. SignatureCheerz - Brownz http://www.brownz.org/ Biffa Bacon (mobile) said....................... <<I 'm currently restoring a very holy 92 MC1275.>> << I owned 4 minis before adding the bini to the fold>> any chance of a few photos of the very holy Cooper, or of any of the minis you have owned, I would have thought the "Holy cooper" would have taken presidents over everything else to quote a very famous New Zealander who pops in now and then,,,,,"if its not a mini, its just traffic", Hi Tim.... (hope I got it right) I have looked through your site, and all I can see is traffic Fitzy >>>>> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >>>>> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > problems with it. > The thing spent more time in the local dealers than being driven. >>>> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >>>> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> rebadged and given spoilers and marketed at MG's. >> The last good rovers were the mini's, the sd's and the earlier cars. Oh, and yes, i know the sd was bl's offspring from sollihul, but it still had a rover badge, and the v8 is *stll* one of my fave cars ever !! SignatureCheerz - Brownz http://www.brownz.org/ SD, V8 , straight six, "O"series, or Italian diesel, tell me something new,? you are entitled to your opinion of this model, but I don't share your enthusiasm for it, In my opinion the Rover-MG Z series was the best range produced by Rover for years, Fitzy >>>>> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >>>>> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh, and yes, i know the sd was bl's offspring from sollihul, but it still > had a rover badge, and the v8 is *stll* one of my fave cars ever !! Wasnt the V8 an American design that Rover or Leyland took from Buick or GM? >>>>> No it doesn't work oh well try this then? >>>>> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=208 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh, and yes, i know the sd was bl's offspring from sollihul, but it still > had a rover badge, and the v8 is *stll* one of my fave cars ever !! On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:08 GMT, "MiNiFrEeK :\)" <cb001r5377@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Wasnt the V8 an American design that Rover or Leyland took from Buick or GM? Buick V8. They didn't think it was good enough so sold it to Rover/BMC :-) SignatureHoward Rose 1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe http://www.howard81.co.uk/ (cars on website) > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:08 GMT, "MiNiFrEeK :\)" > <cb001r5377@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>Wasnt the V8 an American design that Rover or Leyland took from Buick or >>GM? > Buick V8. They didn't think it was good enough so sold it to > Rover/BMC :-) How right they were too, that lump of pig iron went on to do nothing else ..... not ! ;-) PS - Fitzy, there are photo's of my old mini's, but they be photo's; and me have no scanner ! The restoration is being fully photographed and will be web'ised in glorious technocolour at some point in the future(ish). SignatureCheerz - Brownz http://www.brownz.org/ Look forward to viewing them, ;-) Fitzy >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:08 GMT, "MiNiFrEeK :\)" >> <cb001r5377@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The restoration is being fully photographed and will be web'ised in > glorious technocolour at some point in the future(ish). > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:08 GMT, "MiNiFrEeK :\)" > <cb001r5377@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Buick V8. They didn't think it was good enough so sold it to > Rover/BMC :-) Turned out to be a brilliant engine if I recall, even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, Fitzy Am I being stupid or isnt that he same engine? Not being funny or sarcy but I thought that Triumph used the same V8s as Rover? Im only saying this coz I remember a few years ago my mate bought a TR8 (TR7-V8) and it was exactly the same block and heads as the Rover unit. (alloy) >> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:08 GMT, "MiNiFrEeK :\)" >> <cb001r5377@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, > Fitzy You could be right, I was told by a old mechanic who worked for a Triumph dealership years ago, that the Rover engine was better than the Triumph, something to do with the heads or the head gaskets, ?? Fitzy > Am I being stupid or isnt that he same engine? > Not being funny or sarcy but I thought that Triumph used the same V8s as [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, >> Fitzy did a search and found these http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/406/ http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/-1486933240/ the write-ups appear suggest they where different V8 engines Fitzy > You could be right, > I was told by a old mechanic who worked for a Triumph dealership years [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, >>> Fitzy > You could be right, > I was told by a old mechanic who worked for a Triumph dealership years ago, > that the Rover engine was better than the Triumph, something to do with the > heads or the head gaskets, ?? > Fitzy The triumph has the overhead cam where as the Rover does not. The triumph is much like the SAAB and the V8 Triumph is another 4 cylinders attached. I think that SAAB and Triumph did have a connection where Triumph were supplying motors or castings to them. The Rover V8 is a nice motor but having some problems in the short cuts implemented into the motor. (the timing chain is the only thing keeps the cam in place hence wear lets the cam float) etc. Performance wise the Triumph was better. There were heaps of head gasket problems, Head studs had to be removed to remove the head. These were often seized in the head and were cut off to remove the head. The head studs (middle) were at an angle so had to be removed to remove the head. Yes Triumphs still have a couple - sigh! >>Am I being stupid or isnt that he same engine? >>Not being funny or sarcy but I thought that Triumph used the same V8s as [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, >>>Fitzy totally different engines, loads of people put rover engines in triumphs because the triumph engine was extremely unreliable, Steve. > Am I being stupid or isnt that he same engine? > Not being funny or sarcy but I thought that Triumph used the same V8s as [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, >> Fitzy Thanks for clearing that one up Steve, Fitzy > totally different engines, loads of people put rover engines in triumphs > because the triumph engine was extremely unreliable, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> even as a transplant replacement for the troublesome V8 Triumph Stag, >>> Fitzy > What an absolute shame, Taff, > and the ironical thing is, towards the end,, the rover factory was > producing a very nice range of cars, > better than it has done for years, > Fitzy They were nice cars, but they were at least 2 generations behind competition. Biggest seller was the 200/25 that was 10 years old, when the shelf life of a car is usually no longer than 5 years. The last model (except for a couple of niche models or restylings) was the 75 and dated back to 1999, 5 years! Most brands launch a major model at least every year. Let's not even mention the 45 that was already an old design when it came out 10 years ago. In a day when all car manufacturers have a complete range of 7 to 10 models, including minivan derivatives, coupés and SUVs, there was no way MG Rover could compete with just the 25, 45 and 75 and no new models in the pipe. Good cars, but antiquated when compared to the competition. > > What an absolute shame, Taff, > > and the ironical thing is, towards the end,, the rover factory was [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > MG Rover could compete with just the 25, 45 and 75 and no new models in > the pipe. Good cars, but antiquated when compared to the competition. Well BMW's involvement didn't help and pulling production of the BINI was the deathknell, but still it gives us even more of a reason to hate the BINI. Taffy >>> What an absolute shame, Taff, >>> and the ironical thing is, towards the end,, the rover factory was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the deathknell, but still it gives us even more of a reason to hate the > BINI. Of course, cutting off the only models that had received an investment and had a chance of being profitable (Land Rover and Mini) should never have been accepted by the people in charge. Without those profits there was no way Rover could invest in R&D. I forgot the only new model that was introduced was the CityRover, and that wasn't even a PR disaster, it was non-existant! They had been selling them for one year and there was NO advertisement, NO exporting, NO publicity! Stealth marketing! You could hardly call the CityRover "a Rover product" when the bonnet and boot badges were about all that Rover manufactured for it!
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