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Car Forum / MINI / December 2005Rename of his newsgroup
can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS Why? Just because there's a copy on the streets? If posters cant tell or find the difference between alt.autos.mini & alt.autos.new-mini then it says more about THEIR intelligence. People here will no doubt put them right! Chris "ADD" <l400ras@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ZqCif.9164$y36.115@newsfe1-win.ntli.net... can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS Why? Just because there's a copy on the streets? If posters cant tell or find the difference between alt.autos.mini & alt.autos.new-mini then it says more about THEIR intelligence. People here will no doubt put them right! Chris I agree with you Chris, Taffy Why, Rocky started this one years before BMW even got the drawing board out, it was only ever intended for classic minis and nothing else, people who own BMWs just don't get it, they are not Minis, regardless of how BMW marketed it they are a nice car to drive, but they are not a mini, They are a 3 door European car that do not even come close to some of its 3 door hot hatched rivals, give me Renault,Peugeot, even Fiat anyday, here in Liverpool we have a fleet of Taxis running round with the roof decals and bonnet stripes and even MINI badges, They might want to come in to this NG also Fitzy can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS Good idea, I like it. It will stop all these nonsense once and for all. can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS I have a classic Mini and have had a great deal of good advice from this NG. I have also been very pissed off by the antics of a few. As I see it, people accidentally stumble into this NG with genuine Qs about their MINI, and they are immediately berated by one or two of the Mini enthusiasts. This then winds up the other lot who use foul and abusive language to defend their freedom to post wherever they like. They even gloat that they do it just because they can. To be fair, some offer suggestions on how to fix their MINI problems and then politely point them to the MINI NG, but in some cases they are dispatched with a degree of rudery. Having a NG name change would be about clearly identifying that the NG is for the proper Mini, not for the BMW MINI. I didn't suggest this before as I thought that it would be technically difficult - people having alt.autos.mini in their favourites etc, and there would be those who didn't want to 'give in' to the bully boys, and the views of those who said "Oi! No! We were 'ere first! Sod Off BINI owners!" Now it has been suggested then maybe its worth a debate. Can I suggest that we keep it clean, to the point, and refrain from the foul language which does nothing to improve the level of debate. My final thought would be that this NG should not be for both. Its just how we get there that should exercise our minds. Right. I'm off into the garage now. Lots to do. Peter Yawwnnnn. I defend the right of BINI owners to post by foul language = YES. Pucker up. >I have a classic Mini and have had a great deal of good advice from > this NG. I have also been very pissed off by the antics of a few. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Peter This is all a little academic as it isn't possible to change a usenet NG's name. The Muffin Man >I have a classic Mini and have had a great deal of good advice from > this NG. I have also been very pissed off by the antics of a few. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Peter >can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? >or just create a new one and use it instead? No point. The w.nkers will still keep trolling here. Any civilised person with half a brain reads a newsgroup for a while before posting in it. Anyone who does so here will recognise that this newsgroup is about Minis and not about the BMW thing. Those who continue to post here about the BMW thing are doing so deliberately to cause trouble. It's how the sad buggers entertain themselves. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. >>can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? >>or just create a new one and use it instead? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 > Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. Thats the way it works. If you have a mini, new or old, this is still a news group for all. I agree to a certain point, but don't blame me when they get given the wrong advice :-) Steve. >> Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. > > Thats the way it works. If you have a mini, new or old, this is still a > news group for all. Don't worry Steve you have no chance in hell of that, I will be here to let them know if it's a wrong advice or not and I usually send them on to www.northamericanmotoring.com >I agree to a certain point, but don't blame me when they get given the >wrong advice :-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Thats the way it works. If you have a mini, new or old, this is still a >> news group for all. > > Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. > > Thats the way it works. If you have a mini, new or old, this is still a > news group for all. So perhaps we should accept posts from Ford owners, Mercedes owners, Skoda owners, and all the Jap makes too, just to satisfy the idiots who think it is OK to post any old rubbish here. K Nope. Stop being melodramatic already and stick to the points at hand. Just posts on old and new Minis. >> > Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > K If in your eyes this NG is for both classic and BMshite, then why has a new-mini NG been created? > Nope. Stop being melodramatic already and stick to the points at hand. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> K You have brought up a valid point. Personally I don't really give a crap who post where or what. It's not as if I get paid for this. I just hate when well meaning folks with BINIs end up here by mistake and they are berated for having a German this, plastic that, etc If you notice I leave technical threads alone and let the experts go on about that. However any thread that tries to disfavor BINIS get my oars out of the water. > If in your eyes this NG is for both classic and BMshite, then why has a > new-mini NG been created? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> >>> K Basic common sense tells you its for classic minis, Fitzy > Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> The Mini Gallery: >> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 I think the type of person who is abusing this news group would abuse any news group just to be a pain. I bet they would claim that their BINI is a classic! (That's if they actually own one). > Basic common sense tells you its for classic minis, > Fitzy [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >> The Mini Gallery: > >> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 Nope, I own a Moke. I will own a BINI soon enough. Any idiot like you with no valid point to add is obviously the type of clueless dolt you speak of. >I think the type of person who is abusing this news group would abuse any > news group just to be a pain. I bet they would claim that their BINI is a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> The Mini Gallery: >> >> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 Nope, basic common sense says it's name is alt.minis and not alt.classic.minis > Basic common sense tells you its for classic minis, > Fitzy [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> The Mini Gallery: >>> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 >Nope, basic common sense says it's name is alt.minis and not >alt.classic.minis And the top-posting twerp gets it wrong again. The BMW thing is not a Mini. The BMW thing is a different car made by a different company and has no connection to the Mini other than branding. Anybody who does not recognise that is, I'm afraid, not very bright. They would be the suckers at whom the BMW marketers aimed their badly-packaged, over-priced, conventional Euro hatch with its naff retro styling features. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 It's still a Mini and it's welcomed on here and will always be here. Tough for you I know - lol. >>Nope, basic common sense says it's name is alt.minis and not >>alt.classic.minis [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 The BMW thing is not a Mini. Wrong.....BMW now owns the name "Mini". Whether you like the car or not, it is the "only" current Mini being manufactured. That makes this the correct news group. As the name states alt.autos.mini.... read the group charter & take your mate tatiele ( aka bad apple & bossy tech ) with you, just because a dog gets born in a stable don't make it a horse :-) Steve. > The BMW thing is not a > Mini. > > Wrong.....BMW now owns the name "Mini". Whether you like the car or not, > it is the "only" current Mini being manufactured. That makes this the > correct news group. As the name states alt.autos.mini.... > read the group charter & take your mate tatiele ( aka bad apple & bossy > tech ) with you, just because a dog gets born in a stable don't make it a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>it is the "only" current Mini being manufactured. That makes this the >>correct news group. As the name states alt.autos.mini.... What charter? Lets see it. Ya gotta realize this is a public, alt.newsgroup. Free for all on the internet. So, if your gonna have a general name, like alt.mini its gonna attract all mini owners. You also really shouldn't compair my BMW mini to a dog and my classic(which isn't running) to a horse. Mark > What charter? Lets see it. ""THE CHARTER of the NEWSGROUP The newsgroup <alt.autos.mini> is reserved for those who love, drive, admire, repair, rebuild, customize and compete in Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Minis, Mini Coopers, Mini Cooper S's, Mokes, Riley Elfs, Wolseley Hornets, and variants and Mini-based kit cars and specials. The newsgroup for non-Mini microcars is <alt.autos.microcars>. Both of these newsgroups and <alt.autos.fiat> were created by Rocky Frisco as a service to the worldwide motoring community. A reasonable amount of mild profanity is allowed but not encouraged. No flames or personal attacks will be countenanced. Such will be vigorously reported to the originating ISP. Many newsgroups are becoming cesspools of disrespect, flamewars and catfights. Those who support and utilize this newsgroup request that all such matters be dealt with in private email rather than clog up the group with offtopic messages and unpleasantness. While handles are allowed, it is strongly suggested that those who would like to take part in the newsgroup use a valid email address rather than an alias or forged address, since accountability tends to support responsibility and polite conversation, while anonymity does not. The use of a spambotproof address is fine as long as the others in the group can easily figure out the real address. The use of anonymous remailers to disguise a message's true source will not be condoned in the newsgroup. Advertising is allowed as long as it is directly Mini-related, whether it originates with an individual with spares for sale or a large corporation with Mini-related products or services. Spamming the newsgroup with multiple ads or even daily repeating identical ads is not allowed, nor are ads that are addressed to multiple newsgroups. Questions can be directed to: r...@rocky-frisco.com Happy Mini-ing!!! "" >>What charter? Lets see it. > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Happy Mini-ing!!! "" Well there you have it, Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S, are included in the charter. Happy Mini-ing to you too! Mark > >>What charter? Lets see it. > > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Happy Mini-ing to you too! > Mark not another BMW w.nker!! Nope, only included in the context of Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti. Not B.M.W. Though it might make one wonder if Authi owners would be similarly left out in the cold. > Nope, only included in the context of Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover > and Innocenti. Not B.M.W. Though it might make one wonder if Authi > owners would be similarly left out in the cold. Sorry, read it again, it includes Mini Cooper S. Thats the BMW supercharged version. >>Sorry, read it again, it includes Mini Cooper S. Thats the BMW supercharged version. Errm, no, it's not. >> Nope, only included in the context of Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover >> and Innocenti. Not B.M.W. Though it might make one wonder if Authi >> owners would be similarly left out in the cold. >> >Sorry, read it again, it includes Mini Cooper S. Thats the BMW >supercharged version. Oh the ignorance! There were genuine Mini Cooper Ss long before BMW ripped off the name.Those are the cars covered by this newsgroup. It is absolutely clear from the charter that this group does not include the MINI-branded cars built by BMW. Anybody who continues to argue the point clearly has problems of mental capacity. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 > Oh the ignorance! There were genuine Mini Cooper Ss long before BMW > ripped off the name.Those are the cars covered by this newsgroup. It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 Talk about ignorance, right in the charter it states mini cooper. It doesn't say all mini coopers excluding BMW. But I think that I get it now. This news group has two requirements. You have to own an old broken mini and be a total ass-hole. I've never been in another news group with more one sided bigots. Good day. It's not a matter of being a one sided bigot. Although I disagree with some of the more veminous comments towards innocent MINI owners stumbling in here by mistake, and am more in favor of Bad Apple's approach....sending you in a direction where you might be helped and welcomed, you have been told on more than one occassion that this is the wrong newsgroup for your postings and yet you persist in poking the hornets nest. > Talk about ignorance, right in the charter it states mini cooper. Remember that the charter was created before the MINI was ever sold, whether in Europe or the US. As the charter has not been modified since inception to include cars made by and branded MINI by BMW, common sense would surely prevail and the charter would surely inform people that these cars are not within the letter or spirit, and thus the scope of, said charter. You are right that the charter does state Mini Coopers and Mini Cooper S's, however with the knowledge of the above statement it would seem that the charter refers to the cars so named before the creation of BMW's MINI-branded vehicles. The vehicles about which discussion in this group should revolve are, amongst the others mentioned, Mini Coopers and Mini Cooper S's as built by or for Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti, not those vehicles branded MINI Cooper or MINI Cooper S by BMW. The charter doesn't mention the BMW MINI One or BMW MINI Diesel to either include or exclude them. Discussion regarding the MINI One or MINI Diesel is not in keeping with the charter, either by letter or by spirit. Thus, posters to this group intimating discussion regarding these vehicles are posting in the wrong newsgroup. The charter covers: Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Minis and variants [including vans, estates and pickups] Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Mini Coopers Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Mini Cooper S's Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH Mokes BMC Riley Elfs BMC Wolseley Hornets Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Mini-based kit cars and specials. > It doesn't say all mini coopers excluding BMW. Correct. That will mainly be because the vehicles branded by BMW as MINI Cooper and MINI Cooper S had not been created at the time the charter was created. This is not a chicken and egg situation. This is a perfectly linear timeline. Note also that the charter also doesn't exclude mini buses, minivans*, mini skirts, mini discs, iPod minis or Mini Cheddars. Would you like people to discuss those here as well? > But I think that I get it now. This news group has two requirements. You > have to own an old broken mini Your observations and the requirements you have derived from them would disallow the majority of the posters to this group. Not everyone who posts to the group has an old Mini. Not everyone who posts to the group has a broken Mini. Not everyone who posts to the group owns only one Mini, whether old, broken, both or neither. As for "old", note that the vehicle branded MINI by BMW was released in 2001; first examples are more than 4 years old now. There have been facelifts (or rather, arselifts) of the MINI range already, making the first generation of vehicles branded MINI by BMW old in comparison to the same models produced today. A car design more than 3 years old is old by modern car terms - and yet BMW's design for vehicles they brand MINI is more than 6. Oh dear. By your "logic", owners of 2001 vehicles branded MINI by BMW, which have not had the handbrake or seat squabs replaced, meet your first derived requirement - old and broken. A good way to circumvent the charter, it would seem. > and be a total ass-hole. The charter makes no mention of whether posters to the group should or should not be a bodily orifice, whether complete or partial. Does this mean the charter allows or disallows complete or incomplete arseholes from posting? I feel sure you don't own an old broken Mini, and I'm sure you don't tend to describe yourself as a bodily orifice. Your own observations and the statements based thereon therefore preclude you from following your derived requirements for posting to this newsgroup. I take it this means you will not be posting again. > I've never been in another news group with more one sided bigots. I'm sure if you keep posting to usenet groups for long enough, you'll find you attract many more. > Good day. Et vu. erik. * Note that there is no space between "mini" and "van", to distinguish between: - the American term for a class of vehicle which in the UK is typically known as a people-carrier, MPV or other local term, and - the Austin/Morris/BMC/BMH/Rover (as Austin Rover) Mini variant with two seats, no rear side windows, twin opening rear doors and a load bay, otherwise known as a "Mini Van". > common sense would surely > prevail and the charter would surely inform people that these cars are not > within the letter or spirit, and thus the scope of, said charter. assumption,,,overruled! > You are right that the charter does state Mini Coopers and Mini Cooper S's, correct! > The charter doesn't mention the BMW MINI One or BMW MINI Diesel to either > include or exclude them. correct again! > The charter covers: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Mini-based kit cars and > specials. Wrong, it also states Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S! >>It doesn't say all mini coopers excluding BMW. > > Correct. That will mainly be because the vehicles branded by BMW as MINI > Cooper and MINI Cooper S had not been created at the time the charter was > created. Not my problem! > Note also that the charter also doesn't exclude mini buses, minivans*, mini > skirts, mini discs, iPod minis or Mini Cheddars. Would you like people to > discuss those here as well? Great, the more, the merrier! >>But I think that I get it now. This news group has two requirements. You >>have to own an old broken mini [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to the group has a broken Mini. Not everyone who posts to the group owns > only one Mini, whether old, broken, both or neither. Thank you! > As for "old", note that the vehicle branded MINI by BMW was released in > 2001; first examples are more than 4 years old now. There have been [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the charter allows or disallows complete or incomplete arseholes from > posting? Obviously not! > I feel sure you don't own an old broken Mini You would be wrong! >>I've never been in another news group with more one sided bigots. > > I'm sure if you keep posting to usenet groups for long enough, you'll find > you attract many more. Not in the last 20 years! >>Good day. Adios! >> The charter covers: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Wrong, it also states Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S! This is where your lack of comprehension appears to let you down. Go back and read it again. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 >> The charter covers: >> Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Minis and variants [including >> vans, estates and pickups] [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Mini-based kit cars and >> specials. What about the poor Authi? Is it destined to be the red-headed bastard stepchild of Minis? > What about the poor Authi? Is it destined to be the red-headed bastard > stepchild of Minis? What with Authi and BMC creating their joint venture, BMC then buying out 51% of the shares, and finally in 1973, Authi becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of BL, you would think the Authi-built Mini would be excluded, wouldn't you? Oh, no, wait, the charter includes Minis built by BMC. Thus, discussion of how the only part imported into Spain were the hubcaps is, therefore, well within the charter. Do some research before attempting to pick fault again. It might make you appear less like a Parus major. erik. Not picking fault. Do less research and it might make you look less like a pompus arshole! > Not picking fault. OK... > Do less research and it might make you look less > like a pompus arshole! Let's strike a happy medium between some and no research then. Do a little bit, just a little, maybe one google search to see what a Parus major is. Then report back with your findings. erik. Oh, and my Clubman Estate can kick your Clubman Estate's arse! :p > Oh, and my Clubman Estate can kick your Clubman Estate's arse! :p The best you can do is try and pull me into a dickwar? I don't know why I bothered reasoning. You're apparently beyond it. erik. >> common sense would surely prevail and the charter would surely inform >> people that these cars are not within the letter or spirit, and thus the >> scope of, said charter. > > assumption,,,overruled! True - you can't rely on common sense, or lack thereof. >> You are right that the charter does state Mini Coopers and Mini Cooper >> S's, > > correct! I'm noticing here that you like to keep in the point you agree to, and cut the points you don't. An interesting way to destroy context. In this case, the part you cut stated Mini Coopers and Mini Cooper S's as built by or for Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti, not those vehicles branded MINI Cooper or MINI Cooper S by BMW. >> The charter doesn't mention the BMW MINI One or BMW MINI Diesel to either >> include or exclude them. > > correct again! Do I take the fact that you cut the rest of the paragraph as agreement or disagreement? >> The charter covers: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Wrong, it also states Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S! In the context of the "Mini, Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S's" being manufactured by one of the preceding companies. Oh, common sense again. >>>It doesn't say all mini coopers excluding BMW. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not my problem! True, but you seem to enjoy making it a problem for everyone else in the group who does not want to discuss vehicles branded by BMW as MINI Cooper and MINI Cooper S - or indeed any other car branded MINI by BMW. >> Note also that the charter also doesn't exclude mini buses, minivans*, >> mini skirts, mini discs, iPod minis or Mini Cheddars. Would you like >> people to discuss those here as well? > > Great, the more, the merrier! Oh, no, we couldn't all fit in here. Too many cocks* spoil the broth for everyone else. Would you like just one big newsgroup for the whole world to use? Let's dump the entire hierarchy and have the one newsgroup for everything - Minis, MINIs, the price of fish, politics, recreation, the lot. Would that be a good idea? Would you like that? I'm sure there are a lot of other people in the world without basic common sense who would happily join you in such a hole. >>>But I think that I get it now. This news group has two requirements. You >>>have to own an old broken mini [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thank you! So do you agree that your observations *are* wrong, or do you agree that a lot of people shouldn't be here? <snip> >> The charter makes no mention of whether posters to the group should or >> should not be a bodily orifice, whether complete or partial. Does this >> mean the charter allows or disallows complete or incomplete arseholes >> from posting? > > Obviously not! Obviously not what? It obviously allows it, or obviously disallows it? >> I feel sure you don't own an old broken Mini > > You would be wrong! Ah, so do you fit your own assumed rules for this newsgroup? You aready pass the first - having an old broken Mini, so there's just the question of the second. If you don't pass your second assumed rule, why are you still here? >>>I've never been in another news group with more one sided bigots. >> >> I'm sure if you keep posting to usenet groups for long enough, you'll >> find you attract many more. > > Not in the last 20 years! Would you notice if the one-sided bigots are on your side? erik. eric, take a chill pill.....and what is your fixation with male genitalia? please! > eric, k, not c > take a chill pill I can assure you I'm perfectly calm as it is. > .....and what is your fixation with male genitalia? No fixation at all. What's your fixation with full stops? I forgot to include the explanatory witty reposte at the end of that post. I won't bother to include it now, as it was far, far too witty to remember. > please! Thankyou! Non-BMW branded Minis, anyone? erik. >>eric, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > erik. I don't know how to reply, you make no sense. > I don't know how to reply, you make no sense. Why reply at all? erik. >>I don't know how to reply, you make no sense. > > Why reply at all? > > erik. Because you end with a question. That means you have no answers. Mark > Because you end with a question. That means you have no answers. To you it might mean I have no answers; to me it means it's a rhetorical question. rhetorical adj: concerned with effect or style of writing and speaking; "a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply" erik. >>Because you end with a question. That means you have no answers. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > erik. Err,,,,OK >> Talk about ignorance, right in the charter it states mini cooper. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Cooper S's as built by or for Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti, >not those vehicles branded MINI Cooper or MINI Cooper S by BMW. That is correct. Following extensive discussion here, it was decided to create alt.autos.new-mini to host the BMW things rather than to re-write the charter to include them here. Rocky Frisco, the founder of this newsgroup and author of its charter, actually created the new group himself. Not sure what state the Google archives are in these days, but it should all be on record somewhere. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 >> Nope, only included in the context of Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover >> and Innocenti. Not B.M.W. Though it might make one wonder if Authi >> owners would be similarly left out in the cold. >> > Sorry, read it again, it includes Mini Cooper S. Thats the BMW > supercharged version. if that's the case Then it must include the Taxi fleet I mentioned in my earlier post, done in mini roof decals and complete with bonnet stripes and winged Mini badges, infact , they look better than the BMW copy, Fitzy............photos by request ;-) Its either 10 foot long or its not a mini, the car I mean :-) Steve. >>> Nope, only included in the context of Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover >>> and Innocenti. Not B.M.W. Though it might make one wonder if Authi [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > infact , they look better than the BMW copy, > Fitzy............photos by request ;-) >>>What charter? Lets see it. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Well there you have it, Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S, are included in >the charter. Yes, as long as they were built by Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover or Innocenti. Don't see anything there about BMW. Unless you have serious probless with comprehension it is quite clear that the only Minis catered for by this newsgroup are the Issigonis original and its derivates. End of story. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 "<alt.autos.mini> is reserved for those who love, drive, admire, repair, rebuild, customize and compete in Austin, Morris, BMC, BMH, Rover and Innocenti Minis, Mini Coopers, Mini Cooper S's, Mokes, Riley Elfs, Wolseley Hornets, and variants and Mini-based kit cars and specials" Okay this is a good start, we asked for the charter and it was provided. Now let's dissect it. "Mini Coopers, Mini Cooper S's" As I suspected it does not preclude BMW Mini. I assuem also that when the forum was organized there was lack of foresight in what may happen in the future. So what needs to happen IMO along with the proposed name change is that the charter be ammended to specifically exclude BMW products. As a good will gesture I will waive any further comments on this subject but instead focus on rantings about me Moke which appears to be specifically welcomed (so please be a darling and stop wishfully hoping that I disappear, not going to happen). >> What charter? Lets see it. > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Happy Mini-ing!!! "" A good suggestion but a fruitless one in any case. > read the group charter & take your mate tatiele ( aka bad apple & bossy > tech ) with you, just because a dog gets born in a stable don't make it a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> it is the "only" current Mini being manufactured. That makes this the >> correct news group. As the name states alt.autos.mini.... >Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. Wrong, but what can one expect from a top-poster. This isn't even a forum, it is a newsgroup. A newsgroup created for discussion of the Mini, not the phoney BMW thing driven by fashion victims with more money than sense. If they choose to try and discuss their pose-mobiles in here they must expect to be told the truth about their inadequacies and failings. Alterntively, they could go and discuss the things in the newsgroup that was created for them. Unfortunately, a tiny handful of them seem to enjoy causing trouble. Low self-esteem, probably. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 "the Mini, not the phoney BMW thing driven by fashion victims with more money than sense" Moron, it's talk like these that makes me a resident evil on this group. Top posting and all - lol. How do you like those apples? >>Until that happens, this forum is for both new and old Minis. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 > ** > *can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini?* > *or just create a new one and use it instead?* > ** > *RS* I say keep it like it is, otherwise the next thing will be to get a bonnet and boot badge with 'Classic' or 'Real' written on it ! Jim why not alt.autos.real-mini >> ** *can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini?* >> *or just create a new one and use it instead?* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jim They are all real Minis. Why stop there, why not say alt.norevins-or-1967MPI an" <me_groovy@@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Is5jf.11685$7p5.4812@newsfe4-win.ntli.net... > why not alt.autos.real-mini > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Jim >can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? >or just create a new one and use it instead? > >RS That would be analogous to that old urban myth where American farmers had to paint "COW" on the side of all their cattle so that they wouldn't be shot by deer hunters who were too thick to tell the difference... Cheers, Colin. Just to save me replying to everyone.... we have alt.mini & we have alt.new.mini do we not? when you do a search for subjects on Ng's both come up, so theres a clear difference. I've noticed that the bulk of the MINI ie BMW hatch backs, posters are from the US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US? for my 50 cents worth. alt.mini predates the hatch back, so Im happy for it to stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI. so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting. and alway remember "if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic" can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS nice one Tim Steve. Just to save me replying to everyone.... we have alt.mini & we have alt.new.mini do we not? when you do a search for subjects on Ng's both come up, so theres a clear difference. I've noticed that the bulk of the MINI ie BMW hatch backs, posters are from the US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US? for my 50 cents worth. alt.mini predates the hatch back, so Im happy for it to stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI. so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting. and alway remember "if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic" "ADD" <l400ras@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ZqCif.9164$y36.115@newsfe1-win.ntli.net... can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS Spot on There Tim, Fitzy nice one Tim Steve. "Tim" <tim_lis(NOSPAM)@clear.net.nz> wrote in message news:4391eec5@clear.net.nz... Just to save me replying to everyone.... we have alt.mini & we have alt.new.mini do we not? when you do a search for subjects on Ng's both come up, so theres a clear difference. I've noticed that the bulk of the MINI ie BMW hatch backs, posters are from the US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US? for my 50 cents worth. alt.mini predates the hatch back, so Im happy for it to stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI. so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting. and alway remember "if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic" "ADD" <l400ras@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ZqCif.9164$y36.115@newsfe1-win.ntli.net... can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead? RS > can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? > or just create a new one and use it instead? This is completely unnecessary and will not solve anything. The trolls will only start claiming that their fat BMW hatchbacks are already 'classics' as well. (As if?) It is very clear from the charter that this newsgroup is for real Minis and not the BMW things. Might I suggest that the simplest solution is to kill-file the persistent trolls and get back to talking about our enthusiasm for the real thing. (And yes, I know they will keep morphing, but then we can simply kill-file them again.) If you are going to be put off or upset by the little wars which are necessary from time to time to defend even long-established and successful newsgroups like this from the barbarian hoardes, then perhaps usenet is not for you. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 We seem to have none of this problem on Yahoogroups.... it is simply obvious from the archives minilist is is targetted at Minis not BMW MINIs and people soon realise soon enough, we have never had any problems and conversely no one ever complain that BMW-MINI-COOPER is called just that.... As the webmaster of ihatethebmwmini.com (now dormant as I happen to own the BMW MINI y!g ) the flak has stopped and everyone seems to be happy where they stay Welcome aboard owners of NEW MINIs, if you can discuss maintainance and modification that involves getting your hands dirty and not just pulling off the tape for stickon stuff or pulling out chips and replacing them with new ones.... carry on!!!!!you have equal number in the Rover Mini brigade and I am into real modification :0 I think we ALL should realise this is alt.autos.mini AND realise BOTH NEW and Old Mini will be around for a long time yet...... whether the general thread are of mutual interest is a matter for discussion FB >I think we ALL should realise this is alt.autos.mini AND realise BOTH >NEW and Old Mini will be around for a long time yet...... whether the >general thread are of mutual interest is a matter for discussion Except, John, that the charter of this group quite clearly does not include the BMW thing and that a separate newsgroup has been created to serve those who wish to discuss the BMW thing. It is off topic here and people who insist on trying to discuss it here will not be welcome. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 > >I think we ALL should realise this is alt.autos.mini AND realise BOTH > >NEW and Old Mini will be around for a long time yet...... whether the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 I couldn't have put it better myself. Taffy >> >I think we ALL should realise this is alt.autos.mini AND realise BOTH >> >NEW and Old Mini will be around for a long time yet...... whether the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Taffy up the revoulution! BMW maxi owners rot in hell!!! Steve. .....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet Well bip bip and bloody toad stools...that's just down right rude. Hell to the queen! I've never really cared much about the English, maybe thats why I prefer the BMW version of the mini.... You folks in the colonies are easily upset, nevertheless I must politely refer you to the correct newsgroup for your , "Hell to the Queen" should really be posted to alt.gossip.royalty or alt.talk.royalty. This is a newsgroup for the Mini. PS You will find that the Queen has German ancestry just like the BINI. > .....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most > Americans I've meet > > Well bip bip and bloody toad stools...that's just down right rude. > Hell to the queen! I've never really cared much about the English, maybe > thats why I prefer the BMW version of the mini.... sorry sport Im not English, Im a Kiwi, from that little group of Islands in the South Pacific who told the Yanky warmongers where they could stick their Nuclear Ships LOL > .....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most > Americans I've meet > > Well bip bip and bloody toad stools...that's just down right rude. > Hell to the queen! I've never really cared much about the English, maybe > thats why I prefer the BMW version of the mini.... > sorry sport Im not English, Im a Kiwi Great,,,,a f.cking bird that can't fly...pretty much like a turkey. actually its not strictly speaking a bird, it does share many common traits to the Avian species, but then its also warm blooded like a mammal..... Turkeys how ever are not flightless, but they do have a name often borrowed to use to describe certain mammals >> sorry sport Im not English, Im a Kiwi > > Great,,,,a f.cking bird that can't fly...pretty much like a turkey. >Just to save me replying to everyone.... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI. >so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting. Good points tim, other than the knee-jerk ant-Americanism, which we can do without. Also, grateful if you could do somethng about re-setting your line lengths and deleting the business card please. Text only, you know <grin). You will find some ISPs won't even propogate your message with attachments. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 nothing Knee Jerk about it. Its a personal opinion, and last time I looked they were still allowed. Line length? Busines cards? sorry all greek to me. You only gets what the machine gives. >>Just to save me replying to everyone.... >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 >nothing Knee Jerk about it. Its a personal opinion, and last time I looked >they were still allowed. If you want to sound like a prejudiced fool, that's up to you. Some of the greatest Mini enthusiasts - including the founder of the this newsgroup - are from the US of A. >Line length? Busines cards? sorry all greek to me. You only gets what the >machine gives. Well, you appear to have sorted the problems, don't you? All you have to do now is learn not to top-post. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 top post? you mean like this LOL, thats actually how I preffer it.... rather be thought a predjudiced fool that be one LOL... and Im well aware that this NG was started by an American, in fact we've meet a couple of times....nice bloke is Rocky, as are some of the members of the Detroit club, a few from down Florida way, and I meet a really nice Texan on my grand tour of the US & Canada...which I did in my Rover Cooper S Works during the Spring of 2001. if you read my thread from several posts above you'd have followed that theres Yanks and theres Americans....same as theres Englishmen and Poms..... but at the end of the day your opinion means squat to me, and as far as I'm concerned thats all that matters this side of my keyboard >>nothing Knee Jerk about it. Its a personal opinion, and last time I looked >>they were still allowed. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 |
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