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Car Forum / MINI / January 2006

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Stainless Steel Fixings

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Andrew Davenport - 01 Dec 2005 18:12 GMT
Hi All,

Supply of quality stainless steel nut, bolt, washer, and other fastening
kits for minis and other classic vehicles.
Many sold on ebay, best sellers = Rear Subframe Fitting Kit @ £11.70,
Manifold Nut and Washer Kit @ £3.10
All sizes available.
Full catalogue available on request.

Cheers
Andy
fragged - 02 Jan 2006 22:10 GMT
hi
really good idea if you never want to remove them again or you like bolts
shearing off .

Manufaturers dont use stainless bolts for a reason .

fragged

> Hi All,
>
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> Cheers
> Andy
Fitzy - 03 Jan 2006 00:41 GMT
Hi Fragged
Totally agree,
Great if you don't put them under stress, brilliant for under water use,
etc,
(NB)
nice to see you back in the NG,
what u been up to mate,
Fitzy

> hi
> really good idea if you never want to remove them again or you like bolts
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>> Cheers
>> Andy
Rob - 03 Jan 2006 11:10 GMT
> Hi Fragged
> Totally agree,
> Great if you don't put them under stress, brilliant for under water use,
> etc,

There is also what's called preferential corrosion - the electrolysis
between the steel and stainless.

(NB)
> nice to see you back in the NG,
> what u been up to mate,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>>>Cheers
>>>Andy
GO - 06 Jan 2006 07:11 GMT
Rubbish...all depends on the quality of the material used to make the
stainless...you get good bolts & bad bolts.

>> Hi Fragged
>> Totally agree,
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Andy
Steve68s - 06 Jan 2006 16:38 GMT
The vast majority of stainless fasteners are grade A2-70, and have
approximately 85% of the tensile strength of grade 8.8 steel bolts. As such,
stainless fasteners are only recommended for non-stressed applications,
which effectively rules out brake calipers, suspension mountings, brake
discs, seatbelt anchors and propshaft bolts.

Steve.

> Rubbish...all depends on the quality of the material used to make the
> stainless...you get good bolts & bad bolts.
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>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Andy
Pedro - 06 Jan 2006 18:44 GMT
This has been discussed here many times I think

Serach for Stainless Steel Bolts.

I found this - not sure how to create a link to a past thread...

Need to be sure what we are doing.

Form over function...??? I like the last comment in the thread :-)

5. Graham Wolstenholme
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Stainless steel isn't the cure-all solution for corrosion in steel that
it
sometimes seems to be unfortunately.

There are many grades of stainless steel, each of which has different
characteristics, but common problems include:
  Rusting when in contact with ordinary steels.

  More prone to high cycle fatigue failures.

  Particularly prone to crevice corrosion and resultant fatigue
failure.
  (This is particularly nasty because you won't see it at all until
the
  bolt breaks.)

  Stainless bolts are NOT high tensile bolts. For many automotive
  applications they simply are not strong enough to tighten them
  properly. This isn't a problem when bolting the top radiator bracket
  onto the thermostat housing, but is potentially a very real problem
for
  example in head and rocker block bolts.

High tensile bolts are available in gold passivated zinc chromate
finish
(gold colored) which will probably perform as you had hoped stainless
would do.

Graham

ianb (buck...@btinternet.com) wrote:

: Anyone know if stainless bolts etc can be sourced for a mini. If so
where
: from

: I really want a set of bolts etc to put a stop to rusty bolts forever

: Thanks

--
 "As the radius of knowledge increases.....

                      So too does the circumference of ignorance"
GO - 06 Jan 2006 19:45 GMT
I agree, stainless should be used where appropriate like bumper bolts &
hedlight bezel screws etc........

> The vast majority of stainless fasteners are grade A2-70, and have
> approximately 85% of the tensile strength of grade 8.8 steel bolts. As
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>Andy
Rob - 07 Jan 2006 10:17 GMT
> Rubbish...all depends on the quality of the material used to make the
> stainless...you get good bolts & bad bolts.

OK so you say that doesn't happen  BS

And if you have not read in another post

"Rusting when in contact with ordinary steels."

"Particularly prone to crevice corrosion and resultant fatigue
failure."

Please explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>>Hi Fragged
>>>Totally agree,
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Andy
GO - 07 Jan 2006 17:15 GMT
>> Rubbish...all depends on the quality of the material used to make the
>> stainless...you get good bolts & bad bolts.
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>
> Please explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> As you seem to want an argument.......
> What is written in other posts may not be correct? Bolts would not rust,
> however the 'ordinary steel would rust anyway, unless suitably treated (if
> you own a Mini then you will know all about treating corrosion)
Stainless steel is a horrible material that comes in many different grades
(similar to mild steel) you have to choose the grade (tensile strength wise)
to fit the purpose.  Just going to the local chandlery for the stuff just
isn't going to work.
Manufacturers use the cheapest components they can get their hands on that
is 'fit for purpose' why use a 10p screw when a 1p plastic clip will do the
job?
Over to you....

>>>>Hi Fragged
>>>>Totally agree,
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>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>Andy
Rob - 08 Jan 2006 01:27 GMT
>>>Rubbish...all depends on the quality of the material used to make the
>>>stainless...you get good bolts & bad bolts.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>What is written in other posts may not be correct? Bolts would not rust,
>>however the 'ordinary steel would rust anyway,

You have answered yourself thanks.
GO - 08 Jan 2006 09:21 GMT
Will you be going to Llandudno at the weekend?
Pedro - 09 Jan 2006 06:41 GMT
Steady folks.  Perhaps we shouldn't fall out...?

The original poster has goods for sale and hasn't been back to answer
any of the criticisms.

Here is the link to his ebay page

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stainless-Steel-Mini-Rear-Subframe-Fitting-Kit_W0QQitemZ46
00865275QQcategoryZ43122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


No mention of grade. If someone wants to ask him for details of the
quality of the SS he is offering this would give him the chance to
answer.

Not sure I would fasten my sub frame on with these bolts though without
reassurance. Life's too short.

P
 
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