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Car Forum / MINI / December 2005

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kera.madise@booomail.com - 09 Dec 2005 13:47 GMT
I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get a
few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.  Can anyone
tell me how the Mini's do in snow?  Also what type of longevity can I
expect from a Mini?  (e.g., I expect 200K+ miles from my Honda Accord
before it's ready for the junkyard.)  

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kera.madise@balcanicsoft.com
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florian.holzinger@gmail.com - 09 Dec 2005 13:59 GMT
compared to other cars of his size the mini does really well in the
snow if you put winter tires on it, so don't worry.

you will probably never reach 200K+ with the first engine though.
usually 120k - 150k (kilometres) is what most minis reach, depending on
how good you treat it...

by the way: i am talking about the real mini, not the new one. the new
one will probably last forever...
miniman - 09 Dec 2005 16:55 GMT
> compared to other cars of his size the mini does really well in the
> snow if you put winter tires on it, so don't worry.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> by the way: i am talking about the real mini, not the new one. the new
> one will probably last forever...

They are great fun in the snow! If only we had some in the
UK a bit more often as it really does make the transport system grind
to a halt.......
Heater is rubbish though!

A-series and 200k? no chance! It can never compete with jap cars for
reliability

miniman
erik fishead - 09 Dec 2005 17:05 GMT
> They are great fun in the snow!

Better on 145/12 tyres than on 165s unless it's a completely fresh fall. I'd
hate to take a Sportspack Cooper on a snowy road with 175/13s...

> A-series and 200k? no chance! It can never compete with jap cars for
> reliability

I've had 2 Minis (both 998cc) make 110k miles before the bodywork was beyond
hope. The engines were largely fine - nothing a new set of rings (and
possibly a maintenance overbore) wouldn't have sorted. These days of course
when a car's engine gets to that stage it's scrapped anyway whether it needs
to be or not.

erik.
Madmax - 09 Dec 2005 14:59 GMT
>  I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get a
> few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.  Can anyone
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>  webmaster@bankarea.com
>  http://www.bankarea.com

I have a 2002 Mini Cooper S and live in snow country. The only problem
that you may have, is, if the snow gets very deep. Being that the car is
pretty low. Other than that, the front-wheel drive and wider stance,
really holds the road well in the snow and ice.
As far as the engine, the brand new models come with a BMW production
engine. Should be good for well over 200k miles.

Max
Biffa Bacón - 09 Dec 2005 17:32 GMT
> Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
> news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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> engine. Should be good for well over 200k miles.
> Max

Complete tosh ... the engine is a Chrysler pentagon unit built in brazil.
It may cover more miles, but it will be nowhere as easy as an a-series is to
maintain.
Steve68s - 09 Dec 2005 17:38 GMT
>> Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> engine. Should be good for well over 200k miles.
>> Max

you mini will be fine in the snow trust me, there legendary for being able
to keep going in heavy snow & ice, that's why the mini cooper won the Monte
Carlo rally in snow 3 times outright, no problems at all, ;-)

Steve.
Madmax - 09 Dec 2005 19:01 GMT
>>Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> It may cover more miles, but it will be nowhere as easy as an a-series is to
> maintain.

Get your facts straight....
"Joining forces in the joint venture, the BMW Group and PSA Peugeot
Citroen have developed a new family of small petrol engines. These power
units featuring the most advanced engine technologies are intended for
use in Peugeot and Citroen models as well as future versions of Mini
Cooper cars."
Quote from motor trend.
Tosh to you!

Max
Steve68s - 09 Dec 2005 19:07 GMT
> Get your facts straight....
> "Joining forces in the joint venture, the BMW Group and PSA Peugeot
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>
> Max

Off topic, go to the right news group :-) alt.autos.junk

Steve.
Madmax - 09 Dec 2005 19:18 GMT
>>Get your facts straight....
>>"Joining forces in the joint venture, the BMW Group and PSA Peugeot
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Steve.

On topic, you go to the right news group :-} alt.autos.jealous

Max
Steve68s - 10 Dec 2005 01:09 GMT
>>>Get your facts straight....
>>>"Joining forces in the joint venture, the BMW Group and PSA Peugeot
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Max

in your dreams ;-)

Steve.
Tatiele - 10 Dec 2005 05:39 GMT
Brilliant...

> On topic, you go to the right news group :-} alt.autos.jealous
>
> Max
** - 09 Dec 2005 19:32 GMT
> >>Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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>
> Max

So what has all that got to do with PROPER Minis?

K
Madmax - 09 Dec 2005 20:13 GMT
>>>>Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> K

Who said it has anything to do with PROPER Minis? The question was asked
about buying a current production Mini, and I answered it.
As far as I know, PROPER Mini's would slide sideways, downhill, in the snow.

Max
** - 09 Dec 2005 21:17 GMT
> >>>>Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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>
> Max
If you were driving it, maybe. But if a proper Mini driver was in charge -
no chance

K
Biffa Bacon (mobile) - 09 Dec 2005 20:23 GMT
>>> Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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> Tosh to you!
> Max

Tosh x2 back at you.

Apols to the purists, but have to put this fella right before we kill the
thread.

See the bit "as well as future versions of Mini Cooper cars", do you  know
what that means ?

The start of production for the new Prince (BMW/PSA) engines at the end of
2006 - which would mean car sales starting in early 2007.

Anything built at the moment will still be fitted with the Chrysler Pentagon
unit.

Signature

Cheerz - Brownz
http://www.brownz.org/

miniman - 09 Dec 2005 23:51 GMT
>>> Madmax" <madmaxx@nvbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:yZgmf.35162$Zv5.8339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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>
> Max

How could you class a 1.6l engine as smalll? that would involve a very
long stroke crank and 74mm pistons on an A series! ! I really doubt
whether BMW and PSA could come up with an engine that is comparable to
jap motors, and I would hope that it produced more than the 143bhp  for
a 1.6l as that is pretty slack going for a turbocharged engine!

miniman
r8rh8r - 09 Dec 2005 20:16 GMT
 ... the engine is a Chrysler pentagon unit built in brazil.

Wrong, the new model production has a BMW/Peugeot engine.
Fitzy - 09 Dec 2005 23:34 GMT
>  ... the engine is a Chrysler pentagon unit built in brazil.
>
> Wrong, the new model production has a BMW/Peugeot engine.

Any chance of extinguishing the flame throwers for a moment PPL,
the question was................
>>  I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get
>> a
>> few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.

Doesn't matter what it is, if it hasn't got chains on then its going to slip
and slide just like everything else,
But the classic mini, in the right hands has a track record second to none
for coping in snow,
Fitzy
RS - 09 Dec 2005 19:29 GMT
i am sure this question has been asked before, and not just the same
question, EXACTLY the same wording and title.  cant remember the poster and
cant be bothered to do a search.
- it was the bit about "I expect 200K+ miles from my Honda Accord
> before it's ready for the junkyard"...
prove my wrong ppl.

message news:f41f0$43998b04$d99c5301$6979@allthenewsgroups.com...
> I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get a
> few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.  Can anyone
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> webmaster@bankarea.com
> http://www.bankarea.com 
erik fishead - 09 Dec 2005 20:42 GMT
>i am sure this question has been asked before, and not just the same
>question, EXACTLY the same wording and title.  cant remember the poster and
>cant be bothered to do a search.
> - it was the bit about "I expect 200K+ miles from my Honda Accord
>> before it's ready for the junkyard"...
> prove my wrong ppl.

Sorry, can't prove you wrong. "Doppelbock" posted it on 8th July this year
to start a 7 message thread which reminded people of the '60s Monte Carlo
wins. No-one posted a reply about the capabilities of the car discussed in
alt.autos.new-mini.

erik.
RS - 10 Dec 2005 18:20 GMT
> >i am sure this question has been asked before, and not just the same
> >question, EXACTLY the same wording and title.  cant remember the poster
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> erik.

So please explain why kera madise has posted the exact same wording to her
question?
David Betts - 12 Dec 2005 07:32 GMT
>erik wrote
>>
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>So please explain why kera madise has posted the exact same wording to her
>question?

Because he or she is trolling. The post will be from one of the people
who is trying to destablilise this newsgroup. Still, it is a good
excuse to talk about how good Minis are in snow and mention the Monte
Carlo Rally <g>.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
TurboJo - 11 Dec 2005 12:35 GMT
Unusually I too remembered the post, I am normally a bit of a goldfish. See
below.

*Newsgroups: alt.autos.mini
*From: Doppelbock doppel...@NOSPAMyahoo.com
*Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:10:34 GMT
*Local: Fri, Jul 8 2005 12:10 pm
*Subject: newbie question
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*I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get a
*few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.  Can anyone
*tell me how the Mini's do in snow?  Also what type of longevity can I
*expect from a Mini?  (e.g., I expect 200K+ miles from my Honda Accord
*before it's ready for the junkyard.)

*thanks,
*DB

> i am sure this question has been asked before, and not just the same
> question, EXACTLY the same wording and title.  cant remember the poster and
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > webmaster@bankarea.com
> > http://www.bankarea.com
David Betts - 10 Dec 2005 07:32 GMT
> I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get a
>few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.  Can anyone
>tell me how the Mini's do in snow?  Also what type of longevity can I
>expect from a Mini?  (e.g., I expect 200K+ miles from my Honda Accord
>before it's ready for the junkyard.)  

Well technically, of course, you are only allowed to import a pre-'72
car, so it will have done plenty of miles and probably been rebuilt a
couple of times anyway. Be careful, though. A lot of the Minis being
offered for sale to the States are later cars with earlier identities.
Importing them is illegal and they can be confiscated.

As far as winter goes, nothing better than a Mini. How do you think
they won all those Monte Carlo rallies?

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Kelley Mascher - 11 Dec 2005 04:41 GMT
We're actually allowed 25 years or older not just pre -'72.

Still doesn't explain all the Sport Packs...

Cheers,

Kelley

>> I'm thinking of getting a Mini for my next car.  I live in Ohio, we get a
>>few days per year where I need to drive to work through snow.  Can anyone
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>The Mini Gallery:
>http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
David Betts - 12 Dec 2005 07:38 GMT
>We're actually allowed 25 years or older not just pre -'72.

Didn't know that. Any car, irrespective of whether it complies with
the US emission and safety standards for its year of manufacture? I
thought with Minis they were only qualified up to the point where
official sales were halted. What standards do 25-year-old cars have to
comply with, or does that vary from state to state?

>Still doesn't explain all the Sport Packs...

Nothing explains all the Sports Packs! Trend now is to convert
12-inchers back to 10-inchers.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Kelley Mascher - 12 Dec 2005 23:28 GMT
Any car 25 years or older can be imported. I just rechecked the U.S.
Customs, DOT and EPA websites . No special requirements. Importation
is Federal law via U.S. Customs. States handle registration and annual
inspection/emissions if required.

Minis were discontinued in the U.S. before any laws came into effect
that would have effected them. In fact, mid-70s Canadian Minis would
have met early '70s U.S. requirements. So it was certainly possible.
The cars would have had to have been modified and put through testing
by BLMC. I believe the Mini was discontinued in the U.S. because
Leyland had a better car for the U.S. market. The Austin America. The
sarcasm is mine, but I think British Leyland believed it. Another
interesting fact is that we had the MG Midget virtually unmodified (a
bit of pollution equipment) until 1974.

Cheers,

Kelley

>>We're actually allowed 25 years or older not just pre -'72.
>
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>The Mini Gallery:
>http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
 
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