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'Italian Job' Memorabilia To Be Auctioned

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D.J. - 24 Jan 2006 20:16 GMT
   From IMDB.com: http://us.imdb.com/news/wenn/#celeb1

'Italian Job' Memorabilia To Be Auctioned
The Mini Cooper number plates from 1969 movie The Italian Job will be
auctioned in the UK later this week. The three plates, which worked within
the plot to signify Sir Michael Caine's character's prison number HMP 729G,
the robbery gang's flight number LGW 809G and Grand Prix flag number GPF
146G, are expected to raise up to $36,000 at Cheffins Auctioneers in
Cambridge, England, on Thursday. A Cheffins spokesman says, "These are
certainly a lot for the dedicated Italian Job fan - or maybe Michael Caine
himself might be interested." The Minis are most famous for the chase scene
in the 1969 movie, where they speed through the narrow streets of Turin,
Italy. The Italian Job was remade in 2003.
** - 24 Jan 2006 21:27 GMT
>     From IMDB.com: http://us.imdb.com/news/wenn/#celeb1
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> in the 1969 movie, where they speed through the narrow streets of Turin,
> Italy. The Italian Job was remade in 2003.

Hi,
The Italian Job was not remade. It was a different film with different cars
but the same name.
K
Fitzy - 24 Jan 2006 22:47 GMT
>>     From IMDB.com: http://us.imdb.com/news/wenn/#celeb1
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> but the same name.
> K

Nice one "K"..... spot on
I like that ......... ;-)
Fitzy
D.J. - 25 Jan 2006 06:32 GMT
   Don't have to tell mME that, I know.  I just cut and pasted the clip
from the IMDB.com website as per the HTML link IN the messsage....

>>     From IMDB.com: http://us.imdb.com/news/wenn/#celeb1
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> but the same name.
> K
Taffy - 25 Jan 2006 14:12 GMT
>     Don't have to tell mME that, I know.  I just cut and pasted the clip
> from the IMDB.com website as per the HTML link IN the messsage....
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> > but the same name.
> > K

Yes they should have called it The LA Job and I hope some sad twat doesn't
put these numbers on a BINI.

Taffy
** - 25 Jan 2006 17:51 GMT
> >     Don't have to tell mME that, I know.  I just cut and pasted the clip
> > from the IMDB.com website as per the HTML link IN the messsage....
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Taffy

Ye, that would be the ultimate insult to the world's most famous car.

Keith
Madmax - 25 Jan 2006 19:06 GMT
> Ye, that would be the ultimate insult to the world's most famous car.
>
> Keith

World's most famous car,hee hee, that's pretty funny. Maybe England's
most famous car, definitely not the world. And the world is a big place.
David Betts - 26 Jan 2006 07:40 GMT
>> Ye, that would be the ultimate insult to the world's most famous car.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>World's most famous car,hee hee, that's pretty funny. Maybe England's
>most famous car, definitely not the world. And the world is a big place.

The world is a big place, and the Mini did win the definitive world
vote for 'Car of the 20th Century', beating the Beetle and the Model
T. It was only the US vote in which the Model T came top.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Madmax - 26 Jan 2006 14:47 GMT
>>>Ye, that would be the ultimate insult to the world's most famous car.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=13660703

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about "this" century. And as
far as votes from the US....how much bigger are we than you?
The Muffin Man - 26 Jan 2006 20:26 GMT
> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about "this" century. And as far
> as votes from the US....how much bigger are we than you?

Not big enough to eclipse 'the rest of the world'.

The Muffin Man
Madmax - 26 Jan 2006 20:31 GMT
>>Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about "this" century. And as far
>>as votes from the US....how much bigger are we than you?
>
> Not big enough to eclipse 'the rest of the world'.
>
> The Muffin Man

Wanna bet.
The Muffin Man - 27 Jan 2006 08:50 GMT
> Wanna bet.

Can't beat it when people conform to stereotype in a bid to break from it.

The Muffin Man
David Betts - 27 Jan 2006 07:41 GMT
>> The world is a big place, and the Mini did win the definitive world
>> vote for 'Car of the 20th Century', beating the Beetle and the Model
>> T. It was only the US vote in which the Model T came top.
>
>Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about "this" century. And as
>far as votes from the US....how much bigger are we than you?

I think if a car was famous as little as five years ago, it is likely
to be famous still, don't you? I'm not sure anybody is desperately
worried about that fact that the USA is bigger than the UK. After all,
iwe are both so much smaller than China <g>. Are you capable of
intelligent conversation about the Mini? If not, please go away.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
madmax - 28 Jan 2006 02:04 GMT
> I think if a car was famous as little as five years ago, it is likely
> to be famous still, don't you? I'm not sure anybody is desperately
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334

Go away,,,,I think not. Not after the warm welcome I received on my
first post here. And if a car was soooo famous five years ago, why did
they go flat broke and sell out to BMW? Probably from lack of interest.
Now the world is taking notice and the new and improved product is
selling like hot cakes.
David Betts - 28 Jan 2006 07:38 GMT
>> I think if a car was famous as little as five years ago, it is likely
>> to be famous still, don't you? I'm not sure anybody is desperately
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>first post here. And if a car was soooo famous five years ago, why did
>they go flat broke and sell out to BMW? Probably from lack of interest.

It would appear that you do not know anything about the history of
Morris, Austin, BMC or any of the other parent companies of the Mini,
but ignorance is no excuse for your attitude. Continued production of
the real Mini was specifically forbidden by BMW when they sold the
Rover Group because they were not prepared to face the comparison with
their own product.

The new so-called MINI is an ordinary modern car. The Mini is one of
the greatest cars of all time. There is no room for argument here. It
is a fact. End of story.

Now please don't excpect me to waste my time with you any more. Just
reply once to confirm that you are the moron we all think you are.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
madmax - 28 Jan 2006 07:55 GMT
Don't want to let you down Dave, so here is my reply. Anyway you didn't
address my question at all. You therefore are the moron. I asked if the
mini was soooo popular, why did they go belly up, and sell to BMW. As
you stated, before BMW, there were many companies taking over
production. Looks like it never really got off the ground for long.
Actually the new production mini is selling more cars than ever. Why is
that?
Steve68s - 28 Jan 2006 09:53 GMT
Your the Moron madmax, out voted, now go away :-)

Steve.

PS the new Bini sells because there are a lot of people like you are buying
them,  Idiots,

> Don't want to let you down Dave, so here is my reply. Anyway you didn't
> address my question at all. You therefore are the moron. I asked if the
> mini was soooo popular, why did they go belly up, and sell to BMW. As you
> stated, before BMW, there were many companies taking over production.
> Looks like it never really got off the ground for long. Actually the new
> production mini is selling more cars than ever. Why is that?
Taffy - 28 Jan 2006 15:06 GMT
> Your the Moron madmax, out voted, now go away :-)
>
> Steve.
>
> PS the new Bini sells because there are a lot of people like you are buying
> them,  Idiots,

Yes and they are buying them because they are compact BMW's, cheap BMW's,
made by BMW and sold by BMW that happen to bare the name of a more famous
car and little more really and there a hundreds of hatchbacks but there was
really only one Mini.  If you want a quick run down on all the facts look at
my website:   http://minis.freeservers.com/   it's basic but it's pretty
much all in there.  The reason we all love the Mini here is because we've
lived with it for over 46 years, we've grown up with it and a hatchback sold
by BMW can wear whatever name it likes but it doesn't replace the real
thing.

Taffy

> > Don't want to let you down Dave, so here is my reply. Anyway you didn't
> > address my question at all. You therefore are the moron. I asked if the
> > mini was soooo popular, why did they go belly up, and sell to BMW. As you
> > stated, before BMW, there were many companies taking over production.
> > Looks like it never really got off the ground for long. Actually the new
> > production mini is selling more cars than ever. Why is that?
madmax - 28 Jan 2006 22:32 GMT
Are you guys dense? You keep insulting me and the new mini. I didn't say
anything bad about the original mini and its different manufacturers.
All I asked is, if it was so popular , why did it sell to BMW ?
Actually, this is on topic, for a change. Why are you getting so irate?
David Betts - 30 Jan 2006 08:19 GMT
>Are you guys dense? You keep insulting me and the new mini. I didn't say
>anything bad about the original mini and its different manufacturers.
>All I asked is, if it was so popular , why did it sell to BMW ?
>Actually, this is on topic, for a change. Why are you getting so irate?

You want a serious answer? Even though you are still trolling I will
oblige for the benefit of others. The restructuring (some would say
collapse) of the British motor industry through the '70s, '80s and
into the '90s was nothing to do with the success or otherwise of the
Mini or any other individual product. It had everything to do with bad
management, union militancy and feather-bedding by successive
socialist governments. The final act but one in the long-running
BMC/BMH/BL/Rover Group saga was when ownership of the rump transferred
from British Aerospace to BMW. BMW asset-stripped the company of what
it considered to be of value - the Mini brand and Land Rover
technology - sold off what it could and cast the rest adrift.

The reason BMW asset-stripped the Mini brand was because of the Mini's
reputation as one of the greatest and best-loved cars of all time  -
not because it was some sort of failure. Even then, none of us would
have minded very much if they had produced something worthwhile.
Unfortunately, they chose to attach the name to a conventional,
overly-large hatchback with a few rather naff retro styling cues. It
may be a quite decent car, but it is clearly an insult to the real
thing. It is also rather poor value compared with much of the
competition. If people choose to buy it, that's up to them. What they
should not do, however, is to believe that they are in any sense
buying in to the Mini tradition. They are not.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Taffy - 30 Jan 2006 11:28 GMT
> >Are you guys dense? You keep insulting me and the new mini. I didn't say
> >anything bad about the original mini and its different manufacturers.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334

Couldn't have said it better myself and for decades with our Mini, we never
had it so good for so long!

Taffy
Taffy - 30 Jan 2006 12:15 GMT
> > >Are you guys dense? You keep insulting me and the new mini. I didn't say
> > >anything bad about the original mini and its different manufacturers.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Taffy

The other factor is that although the Mini was an outstanding success,
brought home the trophies on the world's rally and race circuits of the
world, exceeded beyond all expectations etc, etc, and sold like hot cakes
for decades, it didn't actually earn the company much of a profit if any.
The manufacturing process was very labour intensive, basically a small army
of people constructed Mini's and the tooling cost a fortune to install, by
the mid 1960's the accountants claimed they weren't charging enough for them
and Ford (who were kicking themselves because they didn't have a similar
product) took one and stripped it and priced every nut and bolt and
concluded they must be losing money on every one sold!  In fact a
replacement Mini was designed for the 1970's a prototype still exists and
was built around 1968 but British Leyland took control and that got shelved
and Leyland concentrated on sorting the larger cars in its fleet out instead
(I'm glad it got shelved as it was horrible anyway).  Then from around the
mid 1970's we were all aware Leyland were working on a New Mini! (yes we've
heard it all before), anyway we got glimpses on the TV of a car with a cover
over it claiming to be the successor for years, then in late 1980 the Austin
MiniMetro (or just Metro as it became known) was launched.  Anyway this
larger mid-sized hatchback was constructed by robots, so the profits were
huge.  The Mini however wasn't axed although the range was severly cut down
and production numbers lowered because Rover wanted the Metro to succeed
because it would return a healthy profit.  Anyway the Mini was a bit
neglected in the 1980's and the range was slowly being fazed out with 1987
being the year it would finally be axed, but then new management took
control and instead of axing it they raised it's profile and started
advertising it again just to point out it was still being made!  They said
at the time that if people wanted to buy it then they would still produce it
and it may not make huge profits but it was still a good little earner and
anyway by then all the tooling was paid for.  Then in 1989 Rover threw a
30th Birthday Celebration for the car at Silverstone and people came in
their thousands and Rover were a tad surprised by the response and this
combined with the massive interest shown by Japan led Rover to relaunch the
Mini Cooper.  Then many say the reason BMW moved into take Rover was because
it's then chairman Bernd Pitchesreider (a Mini fan) was a distant cousin of
Issigonis and BMW wanted it's own VW Golf, but what they actually wanted was
a Golf type car using the Mini brand.  When Rover caused them problems, he
got sacked and Rover got dumped but BMW took the Mini name anyway,
unfortunatley after this event their behaviour towards Mini specialists
(trying to force them to stop using the name Mini) here and the fact they've
turned their backs on the original didn't endear them to enthusiasts and
that's why there's the hostility now.  But even if the BINI was being made
in Longbridge and sold in Rover dealerships, it still wouldn't be accepted
by most classic owners I don't think, well we never fell in love with the
Metro and that was designed to be the Mini's replacement, no the original
Mini was and still is unique, there's nothing else quite like it and there
never will be.  As I said, we never had it so good, for so long!

Taffy
Taffy - 30 Jan 2006 13:39 GMT
> > > >Are you guys dense? You keep insulting me and the new mini. I didn't
> say
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>
> Taffy

You may never get to drive an original, but buy the classic movie The
Italian Job (1969) it captures the cheeky nature of these little cars and
shows what formidable machines they really are, ok they get thrown off a
cliff at the end, but that's movies for you, but yes watch this and you
might understand us better.

Taffy
David Betts - 31 Jan 2006 07:50 GMT
>The other factor is that although the Mini was an outstanding success,
>brought home the trophies on the world's rally and race circuits of the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>product) took one and stripped it and priced every nut and bolt and
>concluded they must be losing money on every one sold!

All true up to a point. It isn't possible to make large profits on a
low cost item. The Ford 'bean-counting' exercise can be largely
discounted. The guys who did the research gave Ford management the
answer it wanted. Back then, Ford were still building antiques with
linear drive trains, solid axles and cart springs and didn't want to
believe that a truly modern car could be built at a competitive price.
(The Mini was, of course, the first truly modern car and almost
everything we drive today is based on it.)

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Taffy - 31 Jan 2006 14:02 GMT
> >The other factor is that although the Mini was an outstanding success,
> >brought home the trophies on the world's rally and race circuits of the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334

I stand corrected sir.

Taffy
Madmax - 30 Jan 2006 14:57 GMT
Thank you David. That was all I asked.
Madmax - 25 Jan 2006 17:25 GMT
> Hi,
> The Italian Job was not remade. It was a different film with different cars
> but the same name.
>  K

Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the
movie. In an interview with Charlize Theron, the actress who drove it,
she stated that the car had to be altered for her to fit in it. In the
later part of the movie they do use three of the new mini's. Mark
Wahlberg and Jason Statham , in the same interview, said they found the
new mini to have much more leg room and that the new mini cooper s
outperformed the older mini.

Mark
David Betts - 26 Jan 2006 07:49 GMT
>> The Italian Job was not remade. It was a different film with different cars
>> but the same name.
>>
>Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the
>movie. In an interview with Charlize Theron, the actress who drove it,
>she stated that the car had to be altered for her to fit in it.

That is clearly nonsense. The Mini's driving position may be unusual,
but they can be driven by people of all shapes and sizes... although
anyone over about 6ft 7in would probably choose to drive from the back
seat. (I'm not joking, it's been done.)

> In the
>later part of the movie they do use three of the new mini's. Mark
>Wahlberg and Jason Statham , in the same interview, said they found the
>new mini to have much more leg room and that the new mini cooper s
>outperformed the older mini.

Of course the new so-called MINI has more leg room... in the front.
After all, it is not a small car, it is just a short car. That is why
it has no leg room in the back and not enough boot space to fit a
spare wheel. The brilliantly packaged Mini has far more useable space
in a much smaller car.

The Mini in the film is clearly a late model Mpi and probably bog
standard. Of course the modern turbocharged car would be faster.
Didn't outhandle it, though, did it? Anyway, there is no comparison.
The Mini had all the class in the world - the imposters had none
atall.

Now, pitch a pastiche Cooper S against a real Cooper S in mixed
motoring and I'd bet on the real thing every time. How many Monte
Carlo rallies has the new thing won? How many races? How many
championships? (Other than against itself in one-make series, of
course.)

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
Taffy - 26 Jan 2006 14:45 GMT
> >> The Italian Job was not remade. It was a different film with different cars
> >> but the same name.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334

Yes and the the getaway in the Mini Coopers through the streets of Turin is
often voted the best movie car chase of all time, well that's what it says
here with regards to the 1969 original:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4636460.stm  and I've seen this film hundreds
of times and I never grow tired of it, but if you haven't actually seen the
movie then you really wouldn't understand?

Taffy
madmax - 27 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT
>>>The Italian Job was not remade. It was a different film with different cars
>>>but the same name.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> The Mini Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334

Just quoting what the actors stated on the dvd.
David Betts - 27 Jan 2006 07:45 GMT
>Just quoting what the actors stated on the dvd.

Whoaaa! Must be true then. Ever heard of product placement? Did you
know that companies pay to get their products advertised in films? I
guess the employees know who pays the bills.

I think I'd prefer to trust respected motoring journalists and my own
experience, thank you.

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
The Mini Gallery:
http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334
The Muffin Man - 26 Jan 2006 20:27 GMT
> Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the

The new(ish) film with the name 'The Italian Job' did not bill itself as a
remake but as a sequel.

The Muffin Man
** - 26 Jan 2006 20:34 GMT
> > Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the
>
> The new(ish) film with the name 'The Italian Job' did not bill itself as a
> remake but as a sequel.
>
> The Muffin Man

How could it possibly be called a "sequel?" It has different cars, and
different characters, different locations and a totally different
"storyline"

K
The Muffin Man - 27 Jan 2006 08:50 GMT
>> > Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> different characters, different locations and a totally different
> "storyline"

Sequels don't have to have the same script, cast, and locations.  That is a
remake - or what you describe would probably be better called 'copying the
master tape of the original film'.  A sequel can do whatever it wants.

And it was billed as a sequel.  Child of crook takes cash from the man who
took her father from her.

The Muffin Man
Madmax - 26 Jan 2006 20:34 GMT
>>Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the
>
> The new(ish) film with the name 'The Italian Job' did not bill itself as a
> remake but as a sequel.
>
> The Muffin Man

OK...   Keith was the one talking about a remake.
Taffy - 27 Jan 2006 15:44 GMT
> >>Actually, in the first part of the remake, there is an old mini in the
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> OK...   Keith was the one talking about a remake.

Have you seen today's papers?  The mirror reports:  GPF 146G   HMP 729G
LGW 809G     These old number plates from the Mini Coopers which starred in
the original Italian Job with Michael Caine were almost worth their weight
in gold after fetching £19,800 at auction in Cambridge yesterday.

Taffy
The Muffin Man - 27 Jan 2006 15:52 GMT
> Have you seen today's papers?  The mirror reports:  GPF 146G   HMP 729G
> LGW 809G     These old number plates from the Mini Coopers which starred
> in
> the original Italian Job with Michael Caine were almost worth their weight
> in gold after fetching £19,800 at auction in Cambridge yesterday.

Does it include entitlement to put it on a car or just the piece of metal
used in the film?

The Muffin Man
Taffy - 27 Jan 2006 15:54 GMT
> > Have you seen today's papers?  The mirror reports:  GPF 146G   HMP 729G
> > LGW 809G     These old number plates from the Mini Coopers which starred
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> The Muffin Man

Doesn't say.

Taffy
Taffy - 27 Jan 2006 18:41 GMT
> > > Have you seen today's papers?  The mirror reports:  GPF 146G   HMP 729G
> > > LGW 809G     These old number plates from the Mini Coopers which starred
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Taffy

Unfortunately the piece of metal used in the film doesn't actually exist
anyway, by the time they'd finished filming they'd destroyed a hefty number
of Mini's and none survived.

Taffy
 
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