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Car Forum / MINI / March 2006my copper S
please help as my garage has no idea wot is wrong to start her i have to rock her yes rock her had new points new coil new distributor and still cant get her going any help please > please help as my garage has no idea wot is wrong to start her i have to > rock her yes rock her had new points new coil new distributor and still > cant get her going any help please What exactly do you mean by rock? -anthony "carenpt1" wrote in desperation.. > please help as my garage has no idea wot is wrong to start her i have to > rock her yes rock her had new points new coil new distributor and still > cant get her going any help please If it's what i think it is, it may be the fact that your starter motor is full of crap... (it clicks like a bugger when you try and turn it over) Take off your starter motor and clean it out, using something like a paintbrush. (make sure you DO NOT use anything that will attract dust/swarf i.e.solvents e.t.c.) Mick I turn it on it makes a noise but wont fire up until i push ans rock it back and forth but will tell the garage tomorrow to look at starting motor , many thanks will let you know the outcome the age of car is 10 years >I turn it on it makes a noise but wont fire up until i push ans rock it > back and forth but will tell the garage tomorrow to look at starting motor > , many thanks will let you know the outcome the age of car is 10 years A 10 year old cooper S???? i dont think so. anyway, mick rouse is correct, its crap in the starter. clean it out as suggested, if that doesnt work it may even be a sign the solenoid is packing up. If the car is only 10 years old, then the solenoid is attached withthe starter, just replace the lot for £20-30 recon. motor. RS >>I turn it on it makes a noise but wont fire up until i push ans rock it >> back and forth but will tell the garage tomorrow to look at starting [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > RS It could be a cooper garages conversion with a retro fit distributor & points ;-) Steve. mistake on age ita 12 years old and ive had it since new but still parked on my drive garage cant pick it up intil tomorrow wont even go now if i rock and roll it Sreve 68 would you like a copy of the Registration ????? > mistake on age ita 12 years old and ive had it since new but still parked > on my drive garage cant pick it up intil tomorrow wont even go now if i > rock and roll it Sreve 68 would you like a copy of the Registration ????? they were made till 2000 I think. I did have a look at buying one new, round fronted, in 1997, cost 10000 UKP at the time. Seriously if its 12 years old with points like you said you have had replaced there is a seroius problem, a 1994 car would not have points, trust me I know, also unless its been a cooper garages conversion its not a S either, Steve. >> mistake on age ita 12 years old and ive had it since new but still parked >> on my drive garage cant pick it up intil tomorrow wont even go now if i >> rock and roll it Sreve 68 would you like a copy of the Registration ????? > > they were made till 2000 I think. I did have a look at buying one new, > round fronted, in 1997, cost 10000 UKP at the time. > Seriously if its 12 years old with points like you said you have had > replaced there is a seroius problem, a 1994 car would not have points, trust > me I know, also unless its been a cooper garages conversion its not a S > either, > > Steve. Yes my 1990 mainstream Rover Mini Cooper 1.3 with a carb, has electronic ignition. All I have to do is replace the dizzy cover and rotor arm, oh and HT leads too when necessary, but there's definitely no points mate. Taffy > "Rob" <mesa@mine.com> wrote in message news:43e1390a$0$17809$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... > >> mistake on age ita 12 years old and ive had it since new but still parked > >> on my drive garage cant pick it up intil tomorrow wont even go now if i > >> rock and roll it Sreve 68 would you like a copy of the Registration ????? > > > > they were made till 2000 I think. I did have a look at buying one new, > > round fronted, in 1997, cost 10000 UKP at the time. dumb blonde mode i think it was plugs that were new .but still in garage :( > dumb blonde mode i think it was plugs that were new .but still in garage > :( So did you do what mick rouse, and then i seconded - ie take starter out, clean and test, and replace if necessary? RS told the garage to do it , they say they will talk to me tomorrow to tell me wot they have done it is going but they keeping it overnite to see if it will start in the morning . me do anything under the bonnet dont even know where to put the oil :) > told the garage to do it , they say they will talk to me tomorrow to tell > me wot they have done it is going but they keeping it overnite to see if > it will start in the morning . me do anything under the bonnet dont even > know where to put the oil :) where in the world are you? maybe a local mini enthusiast can help you? Steve. Herefordshire and you dont wanna know about garages here everyone that has looked at her this week has told me something different so waiting on tomorrow maybe its time i bought a ford : >Herefordshire and you dont wanna know about garages here everyone that >has looked at her this week has told me something different so waiting on >tomorrow maybe its time i bought a ford : Dont be silly. Join the local Mini club. Talk to members about local Mini specialists. Find one you like and trust. Live happily ever after. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 after 1 week off the road and 5 different garages they have found the problem but cant seem to sort it , the problem was the cold start from the fuel injection and to get it going again they need a code but no 1 knows it can any 1 help driving me nuts , > after 1 week off the road and 5 different garages they have found the > problem but cant seem to sort it , the problem was the cold start from the > fuel injection and to get it going again they need a code but no 1 knows > it > can any 1 help driving me nuts , please help as my garage has no idea wot is wrong to start her i have to rock her yes rock her had new points new coil new distributor and still cant get her going any help please ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Hi carenpt1, can you post exactly what mini you have,, ?? because I don't know of any fuel injected mini that has points ?? and needs a code to access the ECU, OR,,,, is this a wind up,,,,,,,,,,,,,Yes,,,,,, I think its a wind up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Fitzy no Fitzy its not a wind up its fact send me your email address and i will email u all the details Post it right here,?? I'm sure the group would be more effective at solving your problem,, given all the details, Fitzy > no Fitzy its not a wind up its fact send me your email address and i will > email u all the details >after 1 week off the road and 5 different garages they have found the >problem but cant seem to sort it , the problem was the cold start from the >fuel injection and to get it going again they need a code but no 1 knows it >can any 1 help driving me nuts , You need to take it to a former Rover dealer or to a Mini specialist. Ecus on late-model Minis are a pain. It may need to be sent away. Have you tried disconnecting the battery for a few hours. That should reset the ecu. Regards, David Betts davidb@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 >>after 1 week off the road and 5 different garages they have found the >>problem but cant seem to sort it , the problem was the cold start from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The Mini Gallery: > http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=64635537103&n=1366070334 Just found out folks, its a mini Cooper 1.3i "L" reg, 1994, 37000, miles Fitzy Sorry to add my two cents worth at this late stage, just found the group. Anyway I used to own a mini once, I had the same problem occassionally, I found that the solenoid used to jam so took it off and gave the shaft a spray with wd 40 or some equivilent and it used to free it up no problem. I am in Australia I don't know if the engines are different but any good mini club member should be only to willing to help another mini owner. regards Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fitzy" <peterfitzpatrick@btopenworld.com> Newsgroups: alt.autos.mini Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: Re: my copper S > >>after 1 week off the road and 5 different garages they have found the > >>problem but cant seem to sort it , the problem was the cold start from the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > its a mini Cooper 1.3i "L" reg, 1994, 37000, miles > Fitzy > Sorry to add my two cents worth at this late stage, just found the group. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > regards Peter. And possibility one of the worst things to ever get near a Mini is WD40 or equiv. Short time lubrication and water displacer, after that it picks up dirt and grim, is corrosive, etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fitzy" <peterfitzpatrick@btopenworld.com> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>its a mini Cooper 1.3i "L" reg, 1994, 37000, miles >>Fitzy >> Sorry to add my two cents worth at this late stage, just found the group. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > equiv. Short time lubrication and water displacer, after that it picks up > dirt and grim, is corrosive, etc. I love Usenet. It's not what you say but the way that you say it. Welcome to the news group Peter. You are more than welcome. Here in the UK, solenoid are easily sourced from most motor factors and cost less than a 10er (last time I bought one). It is probably better to just replace it. I assume that in Aus it is harder to get hold of parts and this probably applies to solenoids too. The Muffin Man >>> Sorry to add my two cents worth at this late stage, just found the >>> group. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > The Muffin Man Its possible the ECU or another electronic component is causing the problem, I don't think 4 or 5 garages would have missed the starter solenoid............ ? A big welcome from me also Pierre, hope you enjoy the NG, what part of Oz are you in, Fitzy it is the E C U . it is now in birmingham being sorted with a bit of luck. > it is the E C U . it is now in birmingham being sorted with a bit of luck. Keep us up dated carenpt1, Fitzy Excellent news. Sorry we couldn't be much more help. ECU's are a pain. Fortunately they didn't fit pickups with them :D The Muffin Man > it is the E C U . it is now in birmingham being sorted with a bit of luck. Hi Muffy, will you be doing the Lake tour this year, Fitzy > Excellent news. Sorry we couldn't be much more help. ECU's are a pain. > Fortunately they didn't fit pickups with them :D [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> it is the E C U . it is now in birmingham being sorted with a bit of >> luck. Hope to be but it depends on how things are going time wise. If I have to go down to London when it is on I won't be able to make it. Having said that, I have to buy a wiring loom or I wont have anything to go in :D That is the problem when you take a car to pieces, you have to put it back together again!! The Muffin Man > Hi Muffy, > will you be doing the Lake tour this year, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> it is the E C U . it is now in birmingham being sorted with a bit of >>> luck. been away past 4weeks only just back and so is my Car :( the E C U unit got lost you wouldnt believe it . but all going well now wot a nitemare thanks you guys Thanks Muffin Man, For a second there I was taken aback by the reply from Rob, however glad to here the problem may have been solved. I live in a city called Orange, it is about a three hour drive from Sydney and about a half hour drive from Bathurst in New South Wales. I spent many a good time watching Minis race around the mountain there, one year they even manage to win the great race there. Now that is dating ones self. Catch you blokes later. Peter. > "Rob" <mesa@mine.com> wrote in message news:43e9d54c$0$17812$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... > >> Sorry to add my two cents worth at this late stage, just found the group. > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > The Muffin Man > Thanks Muffin Man, > For a second there I was taken aback by the reply from Rob, however glad to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Peter. I live about 4 hrs down the road and also remember the Mini wins - still hate to go over skyline. r >>"Rob" <mesa@mine.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >>The Muffin Man Rob, Are you the Rob that almost bit my head off for suggesting WD40 or equivalent. If you are, I only carried it the same as you would a spare tyre, just in case and only used temporarily in an emergency. I also used that little shield that covered the distributer and coil, and a sump guard, which was a life saver in country N.S.W. regards, Peter. > > Thanks Muffin Man, > > For a second there I was taken aback by the reply from Rob, however glad to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > >>"Rob" <mesa@mine.com> wrote in message news:43e9d54c$0$17812$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au... > >>>>Sorry to add my two cents worth at this late stage, just found the > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >> > >>The Muffin Man > Rob, > Are you the Rob that almost bit my head off for suggesting WD40 or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > regards, > Peter.` I didn't mean for you to take offence - still any of these products are not the answer to reliability in maintenance of the mini. Actually a clean distributor and leads will not attract or hold moisture in which the spark can track. People spray WD40 on to displace water but forget to clean it down after, this results in the collection of dust. So next time there is moisture around, the car will again need more WD40 and so on - till we can't see the distributor. It was an easy short term solution in which escalated ignition problems. I do think now that people who still own a Mini have clean engines as they are no longer hack cars and we don't here much about ignition problems in wet weather. The same applies to other uses in that it attracts dust and dirt (like the starter motor) My MG has the same starter inertia bendix and that has no cover at all, its exposed, its dry and was assembled with graphite. r >>>Thanks Muffin Man, >>>For a second there I was taken aback by the reply from Rob, however glad [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] >>>> >>>>The Muffin Man Hi Rob, You mention the corrosive nature of WD40. What is the thinking here please? Thanks Peter I beleive there are lots of urban myths about WD40, a tutor at college once told me that it caused corrosion! Although I agree with the posts about keeping your engine clean , I am quite a fan of WD40 and use it for amongst other things displacing water as intended. I always have a can in the garage, I also keep one in the house under the sink with all the other cleaning stuff. (Anyone tried Mr Muscle for degreasing? Someone told me it was quite good, but I haven't tried it). Check out the website and make up your own mind. http://www.wd40.co.uk Data sheet: http://www.wd40.co.uk/media/adobe/WD40%20aerosol%20datasheet.pdf 2000 uses of WD40 http://www.twbc.org/wd40.htm Cheers > Hi Rob, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Peter |
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