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Car Forum / MINI / April 2006Coil Suspension woes
Hi, can anyone please please help.... I have just fitted coil suspension to my Mini, replacing the rubber units. The whole thing has been a little nightmare as I have found no where a decent guide to doing it and have to everything blind. The rear was okay, got it sorted out with a little height tuning using the supplied Hi-Lo's. The front however is another matter! I set the height of the Hi-lo's a little higher than that of the standard front trumpet, fitted it all up with all new suspension and steering components, then put the wheels back on and tested it out, I now have no front suspension as the whole thing rests on the bump stops. I have had to increase the front hi-lo height by over an inch to allow for an inch gap between the bump stop and top arm, normal driving is now a little dodgy as only the outside edge of the tyres are making contact with the road and the front is well higher than the back, and going over every man hole or pot hole in the road the suspension still bottoms out on the bump stop! I have good spax adjustable dampers, and they have been set between to soft and hard but still bottoms out! I am at a loss, I dont want to start adding adjustable camber arms etc at this point as the kit was to just replace the suspension, not turn it into a corner hogging sports car. Has anyone any suggestions, have i missed anything out? Hope you can, thanks > Hi, can anyone please please help.... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > <snip> > Has anyone any suggestions, have i missed anything out? I take it you don't mean coilover suspension? The springs aren't different weights? harder ones for the front and softer ones for the back, so maybe they are the wrong way around? Other than that, I don't know. Would like to know what happens as I though about fitting them myself. cheers -anthony Hi, these are rubber cone replacement springs. I have just been looking at it, on the Hi-Los, the threaded bolt has bent!!! But it still rests on the bump stops..... The fronts are correctly fitted, they are marked front..... spoke to supplier, will speak to him again, failing this i paid using credit card so might get my money back to buy some trusty rubber cones in the end, tut >> Hi, can anyone please please help.... >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > -anthony > Hi, these are rubber cone replacement springs. > I have just been looking at it, on the Hi-Los, the threaded bolt has bent!!! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > card so might get my money back to buy some trusty rubber cones in the end, > tut Yes i've heard some disturbing tales about some aftermarket coil suspension springs. Well some have had cheaper versions actually break on their Mini's, so unless their top spec components, i'd take them off myself and stick with the original rubber type. I've had Mini Sport Adjusta-Ride suspension with Gas Spax adjustable dampers fitted to my Mini Cooper for exactly a decade now and i've not had any problems whatsoever. But I did just keep the original rubber cones mind, but they still seem fine anyway! Oh and i've got my dampers turned up just a couple of clicks on the front and a couple more on the back and the ride is slightly firm but still comfortable and it really holds firm around the bends. Any harder and it's too firm for on the road use. Taffy > >> Hi, can anyone please please help.... > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > -anthony I retained the rear units, just need to get new front ones as they were mangled during removal, any suggestions on what type, i have read about uprighted units, what are they like? >> Hi, these are rubber cone replacement springs. >> I have just been looking at it, on the Hi-Los, the threaded bolt has [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> > >> > -anthony > I retained the rear units, just need to get new front ones as they were > mangled during removal, any suggestions on what type, i have read about > uprighted units, what are they like? Don't know, but later rubber cones tend to be softer for ride comfort, but they also can compress/shrink quicker with time though. I guess you need to ask a good Mini Specialist if they have variable spring rates? Harder cones maybe as fitted to earlier pre 1988 Mini's? Well I'm sure I read somewhere that the cones got softer after 1988, don't know if it's actually true though? Taffy > >> Hi, these are rubber cone replacement springs. > >> I have just been looking at it, on the Hi-Los, the threaded bolt has [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> > > >> > -anthony Yeah ive heard pretty much that from friends, will be asking Moss at the weekend if they do the harder wearing ones, the original soft ones have only lasted 19000miles and four years!! >> I retained the rear units, just need to get new front ones as they were >> mangled during removal, any suggestions on what type, i have read about [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> >> > >> >> > -anthony > Yeah ive heard pretty much that from friends, will be asking Moss at the > weekend if they do the harder wearing ones, the original soft ones have only > lasted 19000miles and four years!! Oh god, but I've still got the originals on my 1990 Mainstream Mini Cooper and it's almost gone around the clock! LOL Mind you I do have MiniSport Adjusta-Rides and Gas Spax Adjustable Dampers all round too! Taffy > >> I retained the rear units, just need to get new front ones as they were > >> mangled during removal, any suggestions on what type, i have read about [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > -anthony yeah, seems like there is a differance then, all my other Mini's have or had retained there original cones, I took the original one off and it was a good three quarters an inch lower than a new one, quite amazing. >> Yeah ive heard pretty much that from friends, will be asking Moss at the >> weekend if they do the harder wearing ones, the original soft ones have [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -anthony Good on you Taffy, Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, You and Steve 68s are true assets of this group and your mini knowledge is invaluable to the younger members as well as older ones like me, Don't go back ... do not respond..... MAD--MAX is desperate for some response , just look at the other threads, he is throwing all kinds of insults out trying to catch ANYONE who will give him a argument, DO NOT RESPOND , you have done your bit Taff, by defending what you so passionately drive every day.....for which there is no modern comparison................... A REAL mini,... Fitzy >> Yeah ive heard pretty much that from friends, will be asking Moss at the >> weekend if they do the harder wearing ones, the original soft ones have [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -anthony > Good on you Taffy, > Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > REAL mini,... > Fitzy Modern? Yeah right. Why not try ancient and outdated. If you call my responses desperate you would be mistaken my friend. I have never compared the old model mini to the new. There is no comparison. The new mini just plain out performs the old, period. Don't get me wrong, I admire you classic mini collectors, just cut me a little slack. Can't I have my opinions also? >> Good on you Taffy, >> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > classic mini collectors, just cut me a little slack. Can't I have my > opinions also? ........................................................... Sorry ,,,, wrong NG Fitzy >> Good on you Taffy, >> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > responses desperate you would be mistaken my friend. I have never > compared the old model mini to the new. There is no comparison. > The new mini just plain out performs the old, period. BMW MINI COOPER S Kerb weight 1130kg Power 165 bhp Power to weight 146bhp/ton Rover Mini Kerb weight 620kg power 90bhp power to weight 145bhp/ton big perfomance gap on paper anyway (1bhp/ton) I can only assume that you haven't actually driven an old mini? > Don't get me wrong, I admire you classic mini collectors, just cut me a > little slack. Can't I have my opinions also? >>> Good on you Taffy, >>> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > I can only assume that you haven't actually driven an old mini? Thanks miniman, I was just looking for the figures as you posted them, cheers the figures say it all,,, Have you noticed there are more women driving the bmw version, don't get me wrong here, I think its a great car, but its got the wrong badges on it, and personally I would not own one, women like it because its a modern Euro hatch, and I feel they are not informed of the small Peugeot,Citroen, Renault or Fiat products that are faster,cheaper, and all round better car, Fitzy Fitzy wrote:>> > Thanks miniman, I was just looking for the figures as you posted them, > cheers [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Fitzy I've noticed that both men and women drive the new mini. Probably because it is fun. German engineered cars just last better and hold on to a higher resale value. Now I have noticed more women driving the hummer. Go figure. > Fitzy wrote:>> > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to a higher resale value. Now I have noticed more women driving the > hummer. Go figure. Well it might be German engineered, but it's still built in Cowley, England by the same workforce that produced other horror stories such as the Morris Marina! Taffy >>Fitzy wrote:>> >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Taffy This time, they have a winner! > >>Fitzy wrote:>> > >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > This time, they have a winner! Really? But I doubt it's going to become a phenomenon in Motorsport and go and win the Monte Carlo Rally outright many times for starters? Or it's going to inspire most of the worlds motor manufacturers and I doubt it's going to last over 41 years either? No as it's already being updated next year or so I'm told! Taffy >>>>Fitzy wrote:>> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Taffy You never know. But for the time being, it is a very popular car. Hey! I thought you were told not to respond to me. >>>>>Fitzy wrote:>> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > You never know. But for the time being, it is a very popular car. Hey! I > thought you were told not to respond to me. ........................................................... Taffy, there's a difference between being told and being asked, some people just don't understand that,, Don't fall for that one Taff, he's desperate for another round of NG disruption and arguments, Fitzy >>>>>>Fitzy wrote:>> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > disruption and arguments, > Fitzy Rather...it looks more like you are. >>> Good on you Taffy, >>> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> Don't get me wrong, I admire you classic mini collectors, just cut me >> a little slack. Can't I have my opinions also? You shouldn't assume, because I drove a classic mini for quite some time. I don't drive on paper. The new mini simply out performs the old in every aspect, on the road. Perhaps it is that added weight and wider stance, for sure the supercharged engine helps. >>>> Good on you Taffy, >>>> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > in every aspect, on the road. Perhaps it is that added weight and wider > stance, for sure the supercharged engine helps. Added weight always makes for a better handling car....... mmmmm I must admit I was thinking of buying a new mini a while back but I test drove one and got quickly bored, I am sure the new mini newsgroup could have helped me with any problems I had though! >>>>> Good on you Taffy, >>>>> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > drove one and got quickly bored, I am sure the new mini newsgroup could > have helped me with any problems I had though! I doubt it. Just looked in and not one message. Maybe in 30 years, like this group. > >>>>> Good on you Taffy, > >>>>> Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > I doubt it. Just looked in and not one message. Maybe in 30 years, like > this group. Ere no the BINI will be long gone and forgotten by then. Taffy >>>>>>>Good on you Taffy, >>>>>>>Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Taffy I wouldn't bet money on that. But for the present time, they are a great car. Off my original topic of my suspension being rubbish and on to that of BMW Mini's, I had to hand the keys back to the Bini that I was lent for work recently, driving 60 miles plus a day i was glad to so aswell. The seats really didnt support me very well and I found myself slouching which in turn gave me bad back, being a near life time Mini driver/owner you tend to drive other cars in the same way, i still chuck my volvo into corners like a bat out of hell and even she manages it as she chucks the back out and you correct the steering and the car regains its course, but when i tried to drive a Bini like a Mini i found the performance unpredictable, leaning into corners was impossible so in turn you either turned to soon into a corner or compensated and turned to late, at speed of course, and thats another thing i found, the car had only 25000 miles on the clock, but lacked the poke i was expecting from a 1600cc engine, i have had more fun driving a Ford Ka or Vauxhall Corsa SXi, pulling away was as if the clutch had failed, i just feel that my mini pulls away far more quickly and revs far more free'er. >>>>>>>>Good on you Taffy, >>>>>>>>Nice to hear the experience of a true mini man come through, [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > I wouldn't bet money on that. But for the present time, they are a great > car. There expensive, overpriced, oversized & overrated, I was sitting at a set of traffic lights & next to me was a BMW Bini Pooper S wanting to burn me away from the lights, Utting Avenue East by Lewisham Road, Fitzy will know the place, the lights changed & the Bini driver raced away with me in hot pursuit, we where neck & neck for a while until the additional power of the New Pooper made it move forwards away from me, up ahead there are 2 large roundabouts ( Broadway) , as the Bini approached them it started breaking & slowing just enough to corner, its huge tyres squealing as it started to loose grip, In true mini classic style, reminiscent of the classic Monte Carlo rally's I went towards the roundabouts hell bent for glory, at the point the Bini entered the 1st roundabout it was 15 metres ahead, at its exit point on the 2nd roundabout I had managed to get past it & was 25 meters in front of it!, once again I wiped the smile from a Bini owner, Steve, Enjoying happy moments in a classic mini. > Off my original topic of my suspension being rubbish and on to that of BMW > Mini's, [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >> I wouldn't bet money on that. But for the present time, they are a great >> car. > There expensive, overpriced, oversized & overrated, I was sitting at a set > of traffic lights & next to me was a BMW Bini Pooper S wanting to burn me [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>was as if the clutch had failed, i just feel that my mini pulls away far >>more quickly and revs far more free'er. Thats very strange. I've never had an older mini come close to catching up to me, when racing. I have fun losing them on straight aways and corners. Maybe you are dealing with someone who can't drive very well. I am glad that you are enjoying the classic mini, I just got tired of the constant upkeep and went with a new model. My seats are very comfortable and I have greater legroom. >> There expensive, overpriced, oversized & overrated, I was sitting at a >> set of traffic lights & next to me was a BMW Bini Pooper S wanting to [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > upkeep and went with a new model. My seats are very comfortable and I have > greater legroom. ...................................................... I know the area well Steve, people sometimes underestimate minis, and there drivers, Fitzy Im 6ft7, i have better leg room in my classic, my head kept banging on the roof going over bumps. You say you seem to come off better when racing classic Mini's, just how many do you come across on an average day? Even in the UK im hard pressed to see more than three on a good day, and I live between four Mini specialist garages in a five mile radius! >> There expensive, overpriced, oversized & overrated, I was sitting at a >> set of traffic lights & next to me was a BMW Bini Pooper S wanting to [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > upkeep and went with a new model. My seats are very comfortable and I have > greater legroom. > Im 6ft7, i have better leg room in my classic, my head kept banging on the > roof going over bumps. You say you seem to come off better when racing > classic Mini's, just how many do you come across on an average day? Even in > the UK im hard pressed to see more than three on a good day, and I live > between four Mini specialist garages in a five mile radius! I,m 6ft2 and had leg room and head room problems with the old mini. Not the new model. As far as seeing the old mini, on the road, never. They were never very popular in the U.S. I have 2 friends that do own them, and they always want to race around. When their cars are running of course. Well of course the real Mini was never popular as it never caught on in the USA, because back in the 1960's & 1970's, most yanks drove huge gas guzzling monsters the size of the Titanic, plus I've heard that the big American motor manufacturers (Ford, GM etc) back then made it difficult for any foreign company to get a foot hold in America. So even though the Mini was sort of introduced back in 1960 at the New York Motorshow (or so i'm told), only motoring enthusiasts like say Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood and Mike Nesmith (of the 1960's band The Monkees) took to the real Mini Cooper S (well they knew a real enthusiasts car when they saw and drove it!). > Well of course the real Mini was never popular as it never caught on in > the USA, because back in the 1960's & 1970's, most yanks drove huge gas [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Monkees) took to the real Mini Cooper S (well they knew a real > enthusiasts car when they saw and drove it!). So, three Americans drove the old mini. Not anymore. They realized what a little death trap it was and now have REAL automobiles. Except for Steve McQueen, who really preferred the Ford Mustang. Clint Eastwood now drives a Ford truck and Mike Nesmith is a monkey. Just the sort of pathetic come back we'd expect from you Marky boy, well as it happens since the BINI was launched in the USA, quite a few original Mini's have found new homes there as American car collectors have had their eyes opened to the wonder and potential of these little cars. But the fact is the real Mini was never aimed at America, no it was only intended for Great Britain, but the fact it was such a good design and an excellent car all round (as proven by many Motorsport victories), it got manufactured in many other countries around the world due to high demand. Not even the BINI comes close to matching that! Oh and it certainly wasn't a death trap either as the real death trap it replaced was called "The Isetta" and was manufactured by bloody BMW! And that really was a death trap as all you had was a sheet of glass in front of you, where as in a Mini you had an A' series engine and a subframe between you and the road ahead. No in latter years the real Mini even got an air-bag too amongst other safety features! Taffy My late Mini has an air bag and side impact protection, as well as a factory reinforced roof, yes, not many people know about that one! lol It also has gas-fired pretensioned seat belts fitted at the front in the event of an accident, and since 1990 they were all fitted with a shock activated fuel cut off switch, I seem to remember the Ford Pinto of the USA having a interestingly located fuel filler cap, which when impacted against caused the car to explode.....funny Very similiar to the early Bini's, many of them caught fire here and abroad, when the fuel filler nozzles where plugged into the Bini, the cars static electricity would cause the fuel tank gases to ignite, quite a few of these cars where badly damaged or righten off. I also understand that they have had lethal problems with Gearboxes, wrong oil poured into the transmission and handbrake failure. nasty > Oh and it certainly wasn't a death trap either as the real death trap > it replaced was called "The Isetta" and was manufactured by bloody BMW! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Taffy Actually, the only air bags in your little cars are you. Now there is no need for that really is there, we are all here for same reason, our love of all things Mini and each other... > Actually, the only air bags in your little cars are you. Oh and yes Mike Nesmith is a Monkee, spelt that way mate actually and he like the other 3 in the band earned millions thanks to the famous TV Show, record sales and the cult classic 1968 movie they starred in called "Head" and that was directed by Jack Nickolson and Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda had cameo roles in it as they were filming "Easy Rider" at the same time. Oh and apparantely Mike's mother invented liquid Paper or Tippex as we call it and she sold the concept to Gillette and made a fortune, which Mike inherited after her death. So he's now a multi-millionaire and I bet he still owns his 1960's Radford Mini Cooper S too! Taffy > Oh and yes Mike Nesmith is a Monkee, spelt that way mate actually and > he like the other 3 in the band earned millions thanks to the famous TV [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Taffy "Head" is such a famous movie, I have never heard of it. Why is it that you think Americans are interested in so called UK cult classic movies. Again, Mike is just a monkey. My spelling stands.  Signature"Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off!" > > > Oh and yes Mike Nesmith is a Monkee, spelt that way mate actually and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you think Americans are interested in so called UK cult classic > movies. Again, Mike is just a monkey. My spelling stands. You've probably never heard of it because your so backwards and live away from normal people, so no you wouldn't know would you? And "Head" is not just a UK Cult Classic movie as such as it's all about the late 1960's in America and the culture of that era amongst other things. In fact to be honest it flopped back then, due mainly to bad advertising and the fact it wasn't aimed at the right audience, namely youngsters. But it's gained a reputation now and is classed as a 1960's cult classic around the world and apart from that the music in the film is outstanding. Well I'm sure Mike isn't bothered by a geek like you Marky boy, as he's probably sitting outside his Beverley Hills mansion right now watching his servants polish his Radford Mini Cooper S. Taffy ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com > So, three Americans drove the old mini. Not anymore. A few more than that I'll wager > They realized what > a little death trap it was and now have REAL automobiles. Except for > Steve McQueen, who really preferred the Ford Mustang. Clint Eastwood now > drives a Ford truck and Mike Nesmith is a monkey. So they all went out and got Ford Pintos then did they ?? Quick history lesson ... http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm Yes or a Chevrolet Corvair perhaps? Yes a bloke called Ralph Nader wrote a book all about that car entitled "Unsafe at any speed" so much for American cars eh? Another history lesson ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed I remember an AMC car, type of muscle car that Nader once described as one of America's most dangerous cars. Also, think there was an early 60's sedan called a Buick Skylark, big tank of a thing that had Triumph Herald type rear suspension, but as it weighed about 3 tons the suspension would brake away violently and over turn the car. I really cant remember a British Car that was ever dangerous or infamous for being a death trap.....? I know, last one was the 1952 Trojan three wheeler, copy of a BMW issetta, or the 1958 Peel, copy of a Mescherscmidt, best out of that bunch must be the 1960 Reliant Regal 4 wheeler, which was actually copied by Trabant.....how many Trab execs work for BMW now? > Yes or a Chevrolet Corvair perhaps? Yes a bloke called Ralph Nader > wrote a book all about that car entitled "Unsafe at any speed" so much > for American cars eh? > > Another history lesson ... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed > I remember an AMC car, type of muscle car that Nader once described as one > of America's most dangerous cars. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the 1960 Reliant Regal 4 wheeler, which was actually copied by > Trabant.....how many Trab execs work for BMW now? Some of the old Reliant Robins, back in the '70's, had a design fault in the kingpin. The kingpin would snap with hilarious consequences ala Mr Bean stylee :-) They were all recalled and sorted, I believe without any deaths. I could be slightly wrong though. I remember watching a feature on "That's Life" about it. Jim > Yes or a Chevrolet Corvair perhaps? Yes a bloke called Ralph Nader > wrote a book all about that car entitled "Unsafe at any speed" so much > for American cars eh? > > Another history lesson ... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed AH ! I remember watching a TV program of the same name. Where America's pioneer of car safety devices, after finally realising lots of people were dying needlessly in low speed impacts with other cars, trees and such like mostly due to the steering column impaling the driver, decided it would be a good idea to fit seatbelts and collapsable steering columns. Back in good ol' Blighty on the other hand, Jensen had been fitting seat belts as standard since, I think, the late '20s. They also invented four wheel drive. He did most of his research on cadavers and himself. After his death, his wife found out what he had been doing to himself at work and promply expressed that, if she knew, she would never have let him leave the house ! The Corvair was a bloody ugly car ! Jim >> So, three Americans drove the old mini. Not anymore. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Quick history lesson ... > http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm Why would you think that they got Ford Pinto's? I already stated what two of them purchased. I wouldn't wager that many more Americans had mini's. Just a plain ugly little match box sized car. Signature"Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off!" > > >> So, three Americans drove the old mini. Not anymore. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > two of them purchased. I wouldn't wager that many more Americans had > mini's. Just a plain ugly little match box sized car. Well beauty is really in the eye of the beholder, but the BINI is just another faceless jelly mould of a hatchback and nothing more! Taffy ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com "Well beauty is really in the eye of the beholder" Too bad you are so blind. Signature"Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off!" > "Well beauty is really in the eye of the beholder" > > Too bad you are so blind. Too bad you are so stupid and are blind to anything outside your own neighbourhood! Taffy ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com Very original come back, Taffy. Next time try to create some words of your own. >>> So, three Americans drove the old mini. Not anymore. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > two of them purchased. I wouldn't wager that many more Americans had > mini's. Just a plain ugly little match box sized car. Nothing made me think they bought Pinto's. It was a rhetorical question, to point out that America has made some of the most dangerous automobiles in the world. Do you understand the concept of a rhetorical question ? Ofcourse not, otherwise you would have just shut up and not replied to the post, but would have sat and considered what I had pointed out. Jim >>>> So, three Americans drove the old mini. Not anymore. >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Jim You have pointed out absolutely nothing. So America has made bad cars, we also invented the automobile. What would be your point anyway? You did say Pinto and that is what I believed you meant. If your going to throw out rhetorical questions, don't fill them with so much rhetoric. Anything that you have to say would never make me sit and consider it. Because it is just garbage flowing out of your empty head. America didnt invent the Car, get your facts right for god almighty's sake, Benz and Daimler invented the car at the end of 1880's!!!!!!!!!! You very rich for accusing someone talking Garbage when stuff coming from you is just wrong, I dont give two hoots about you, just get your information straight before you say anything. > You have pointed out absolutely nothing. So America has made bad cars, we > also invented the automobile. What would be your point anyway? You did say > Pinto and that is what I believed you meant. If your going to throw out > rhetorical questions, don't fill them with so much rhetoric. Anything that > you have to say would never make me sit and consider it. Because it is > just garbage flowing out of your empty head. BTW, before you say anything more, Daimler and Benz werent from the lower west side, they were both German!!! > America didnt invent the Car, get your facts right for god almighty's > sake, Benz and Daimler invented the car at the end of 1880's!!!!!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> that you have to say would never make me sit and consider it. Because it >> is just garbage flowing out of your empty head. > BTW, before you say anything more, Daimler and Benz werent from the lower > west side, they were both German!!! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>that you have to say would never make me sit and consider it. Because it >>>is just garbage flowing out of your empty head. You are sooo wrong. Everything worth a sh.t was invented in America. You said that the Automobile was invented in America, yet you claim it was done in america STILL!! But then again you are right on one key point, sh.t was invented in america, well done.... Mcdonalds Fat, Kentuck fried Rat, Chevy Nova or No-Go, Challenger Firework, Ben Johnson Drug Store, Tonya Harding Rent a Kill, Three Mile Island Spillage I could go on, all of these wondeful things are all worth sh.t....Just as you say...... >> BTW, before you say anything more, Daimler and Benz werent from the lower >> west side, they were both German!!! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > You are sooo wrong. Everything worth a sh.t was invented in America. Signature"Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off!" > You said that the Automobile was invented in America, yet you claim it was > done in america STILL!! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Spillage I could go on, all of these wondeful things are all worth > sh.t....Just as you say...... Couldn't have put it better myself, the trouble is some yanks are blind to their own countries many failings! Taffy > >> BTW, before you say anything more, Daimler and Benz werent from the lower > >> west side, they were both German!!! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >> > > You are sooo wrong. Everything worth a sh.t was invented in America. ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com Couldn't have put it better myself, the trouble is some yanks are blind to their own countries many failings! Taffy And you limy bastards are all jealous. Signature"Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off!" > Couldn't have put it better myself, the trouble is some yanks are blind to > their own countries many failings! > > Taffy > > And you limy bastards are all jealous. In your dreams Geeky boy! Taffy ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com >In your dreams Geeky boy! >Taffy Crap, you aren't in my dreams. That would be a nightmare. Yes if we met, I would be your worst nightmare mate I can assure you! Taffy > Yes if we met, I would be your worst nightmare mate I can assure you! > > Taffy I'm shivering in my boots. Go lock yourself away someplace, girly boy. Signature"Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off!" > > > Yes if we met, I would be your worst nightmare mate I can assure you! > > > > Taffy > > I'm shivering in my boots. Go lock yourself away someplace, girly boy. Yeah and why don't you go back to your cage freak! Taffy ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com >>Yes if we met, I would be your worst nightmare mate I can assure you! >>> > >>> > Taffy > >> I'm shivering in my boots. Go lock yourself away someplace, girly boy. >Yeah and why don't you go back to your cage freak! >Taffy Wow! Big man, in your own little mind. Keep them coming Daffy, Fizzy told you not to talk to me. Not very good at taking orders, are you boy. It sounds like the springs are collapsing or are very close to it. This would indicate the wrong spec material was used by the manufacturer. That is a guess. If possible check the distance between the coils under load. From your description, I would bet that you have only a few millimeters between coils. That would give you about 10 to 20 mm of suspension travel. Cheers, Kelley >Hi, can anyone please please help.... > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >thanks |
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