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Newbie here... Go easy on me! :)
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dauph59 - 04 May 2006 01:45 GMT Hi all! This is my first time here. Looks like it could be a fun group... well, with a few exceptions I suppose, but it's that way in any group, right?
I'm an American from Florida. I just bought a 2002 MCS. I've always had a love of European cars, having owned three MGB's, two Mercedes, a 1962 Volvo, two Renaults (including a 1959 Dauphine... dauph59... get it?), and now my Mini.
I have to say it's the most fun I've ever had behind the wheel of a car! I loved my MG's too, but being from Florida, it's really nice to have a car with air conditioning!
Anyway, that's my way of introducing myself. I'll check in later!
Bye Ya'll!
madmax - 04 May 2006 04:40 GMT > Hi all! This is my first time here. Looks like it could be a fun > group... well, with a few exceptions I suppose, but it's that way in any [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bye Ya'll! Welcome Dauph, you do indeed have a great car. I own one myself and have a great time driving it. The "S" model really packs a punch. See you later.
Mark
Taffy - 04 May 2006 12:23 GMT > Hi all! This is my first time here. Looks like it could be a fun > group... well, with a few exceptions I suppose, but it's that way in any [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bye Ya'll! Well if you own a 2002 MCS I suggest you join alt.autos.newmini, because it may have escaped your attention but this group only caters for the real British Mini which was in production for over 41 years and sold all around the world (and manufactured around the world too!) in that time.
Anyway if you don't know what a real Mini is, take a look at my "Mini History 1959-2000 rough guide" website and educate yourself:- http://www.minis.freeservers.com then you'll understand where we're coming from here.
Bye
Taffy
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Martin - 04 May 2006 14:12 GMT Oh no here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Hi all! This is my first time here. Looks like it could be a fun >> group... well, with a few exceptions I suppose, but it's that way in any [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > ------------- > Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com Taffy - 04 May 2006 14:45 GMT > Oh no here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah tell me about it!
Anyway take a look at my site if you have the time as i've updated a few of the links and I've added a hit counter too at last! Well it was free so why not?
http://www.minis.freeservers.com
Taffy
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dauph59 - 04 May 2006 22:54 GMT > Oh no here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>------------- >>Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com Sorry to have offended anyone by not owning a "true" Mini. I wasn't aware that ownership of one was a prerequisite for posting to this newsgroup. I assumed (falsely?) that a love of or an interest in them was reason enough to check in.
My first MGB was a chrome bumper model. My second two were rubber bumper models. I found the same exclusionary attitude among MG owners (i.e. chrome bumpers are the only "true" B's). I never believed that. I felt that it was a matter of personal choice.
Trust me, if anyone wanted to admire my '02 MCS (that's a Mini Cooper S in response to Steve' question), I'd be proud to drive a car that draws positive attention, even if the person admiring it drove a Yugo or a Toyota... or even a '68 Mini.
Colin Stamp - 05 May 2006 10:37 GMT >Sorry to have offended anyone by not owning a "true" Mini. I wasn't >aware that ownership of one was a prerequisite for posting to this >newsgroup. I assumed (falsely?) that a love of or an interest in them >was reason enough to check in. Speaking as an outsider with currently no Mini/MINI of any description...
I think the only people you've offended really are ones that actually enjoy being "offended" so they can post indignant responses. It can make for some amusing reading, if you've got a thick skin and time to burn.
>My first MGB was a chrome bumper model. My second two were rubber >bumper models. I found the same exclusionary attitude among MG owners >(i.e. chrome bumpers are the only "true" B's). I never believed that. >I felt that it was a matter of personal choice. Tell me about it. I used to have an Alfa 156. Of course, this was sneered at by a small percentage of "classic" Alfa owners who would describe 156s as "Fiats". Oh the shame! It's the same now I have a Saab 9-3 "It's not a real Saab, it was made after GM took over, it's a Vauxhall". It's all just healthy rivalry as long as people don't take themselves too seriously.
>Trust me, if anyone wanted to admire my '02 MCS (that's a Mini Cooper S >in response to Steve' question), I'd be proud to drive a car that draws >positive attention, even if the person admiring it drove a Yugo or a >Toyota... or even a '68 Mini. Indeed. Having said all that though, you really would be better off posting on a new MINI group than here. Offending people isn't an issue, but failing to reach your target audience is.
Above all, enjoy your fast, comfortable, relatively well made, fat, ugly car ;o)
Cheers,
Colin.
dauph59 - 06 May 2006 04:06 GMT Thanks for your kind words Colin. You too, Pierre. I suppose I'll stick around for a while... not to offend, and not to reach any target audience, but out of an admiration for the original Mini! :)
Charlie
>>Sorry to have offended anyone by not owning a "true" Mini. I wasn't >>aware that ownership of one was a prerequisite for posting to this [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Colin. Taffy - 06 May 2006 23:44 GMT > >Sorry to have offended anyone by not owning a "true" Mini. I wasn't > >aware that ownership of one was a prerequisite for posting to this [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Colin. Mind you I always thought, think my 90' Mainstream Cooper is pretty fast (well it is slightly modified), it's also quite comfortable too (well I'm over 6foot and I find it very comfortable with it's reclining seats and lowered steering column bracket) and it's relatively well made, well it'll be 16 years young this November and it's still going strong, but it certainly isn't fat or ugly though! ;O)
Taffy
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Tim - 07 May 2006 21:53 GMT I don't see anyone being offended?
All I saw was Taffy politley explaining that this NG is and was set up prior to the MINI, and is primarily for discussion and disertation on the original Mini. He also directed the poster to the appropriate NG for owner of the MINI.
I for the life of me can't work out why MINI owners take it as a slap in the face with a wet kipper everytime a Mini person advises them that they have a MINI and not a Mini.
Its simple guys and girls, you own a Mini you come to this NG, you own a MINI you go to alt.auto.newmini group.. To put it in simple terms, if you own a Toyota do you take it to a BMW dealer for warranty of service work...NO you take it to the Toyota Dealer....so why would you want to come to the mini NG when you really want the MINI NG???????
So kiddies, if you want to play at bitch fights take it outside the rest of us simply do not want to hear this Bull sh.t!
>>Sorry to have offended anyone by not owning a "true" Mini. I wasn't >>aware that ownership of one was a prerequisite for posting to this [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Colin. Taffy - 07 May 2006 22:29 GMT > I don't see anyone being offended? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > So kiddies, if you want to play at bitch fights take it outside the rest of > us simply do not want to hear this Bull sh.t! Well said Tim!
Taffy
> >>Sorry to have offended anyone by not owning a "true" Mini. I wasn't > >>aware that ownership of one was a prerequisite for posting to this [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > Colin. ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com
Fitzy - 07 May 2006 22:40 GMT Well said there Tim, I couldn't have said it better myself, although recently, I think we have all said it, but in a different way, (another troll) Fitzy
>I don't see anyone being offended? > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >> Colin. Colin Stamp - 07 May 2006 23:19 GMT >I don't see anyone being offended? Nor do I - at least prior to your post that is. Now I'm not so sure, but I'm guessing that you haven't actually been offended for real either.
>All I saw was Taffy politley explaining that this NG is and was set up prior >to the MINI, and is primarily for discussion and disertation on the original >Mini. >He also directed the poster to the appropriate NG for owner of the MINI. Well, I suggest you read his post again then. He did indeed say all that, but he also inserted enough sarcasm to clearly imply that the OP had displayed some stupidity in not realizing this without his help. It was slightly hostile in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way.
>I for the life of me can't work out why MINI owners take it as a slap in the >face with a wet kipper everytime a Mini person advises them that they have a >MINI and not a Mini. There you were, making a bid for the moral high-ground, when you go and bugger it all up with a sweeping generalization like that. Now you've just made yourself look like some kind of strange automotive bigot.
>Its simple guys and girls, you own a Mini you come to this NG, you own a >MINI you go to alt.auto.newmini group.. To put it in simple terms, if you >own a Toyota do you take it to a BMW dealer for warranty of service >work...NO you take it to the Toyota Dealer....so why would you want to come >to the mini NG when you really want the MINI NG??????? All fascinating (and nearly correct) stuff, but what does it have to do with my post? Or had you forgotten that you were following-up to my post and were just generally going off on one? If so, carry on, but the people you would like to take notice of you, wont.
>So kiddies, if you want to play at bitch fights take it outside. >the rest of us simply do not want to hear this Bull sh.t! If you don't want to hear it, why did you revive this thread, which would almost certainly have died without you, and then tack on a blatant attempt at provocation to boot?
Cheers,
Colin.
Taffy - 08 May 2006 00:46 GMT > >I don't see anyone being offended? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Colin. Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O)
Taffy
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Colin Stamp - 08 May 2006 22:42 GMT >Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) Sometimes I feel so mis-understood :o)
Cheers,
Colin.
Taffy - 09 May 2006 00:08 GMT > >Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Colin. Look I don't set out to be rude to people anywhere because if you met me you'd find that I'm not rude at all in fact I'm very friendly, but after having a resident Troll who gave nothing but abuse here for months, does leave me (plus many regular posters here) just a bit bloody minded, especially when BINI owners who know nothing about the real Mini post here.
So it's really just a case of, recognise this newsgroup which stands for the glory of the real thing and accept that or bog off! LOL
Taffy
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dauph59 - 09 May 2006 00:35 GMT >>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ------------- > Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com Yes, I understand and agree. I also know how frustrating it can be to have someone abusing the NG for no reason other than to cause trouble. I've been lurking for a while and have read the postings that were causing a lot of the grief. Believe me, I'm not that way.
I admit I'm somewhat ignorant about the original Mini. Not totally ignorant... I mean, I've never owned one, but I have owned several "niche" cars in the past. The problem with most of the cars I've owned is that there are not enough of them (at least in the U.S.) to form, let alone maintain, a club. In the past I've had to resort to joining clubs like the Micro/Mini Car Club of Orlando (mini as in 'small', not the make of car). That was a club that welcomed me and my 4CV, as well as Fiat 600's, Multiplas, Isettas... in fact there were even a couple of Minis in there! :)
Mini owners are fortunate to have the numbers behind them to maintain a "pure" bloodline in their groups. I understand that's what you are trying to do in this NG. The club I've just joined, Sunshine Minis, is a mix of the original and the new (BINIs as you call them). There is plenty of room for both, and I don't see a lot of bickering over which is superior (other than some good natured joking).
So it was from this mindset that I wandered into your group. Certainly not to cause trouble, and certainly not to argue the merits of the new Mini versus the original, or to play semantics (i.e. Mini vs. MINI vs. BINI).
Charlie
Taffy - 09 May 2006 00:47 GMT > >>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) > >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Charlie Fair enough but you can see from my website on the history of the little marvel that it did achieve rather a lot and had and still has a lasting appeal and it really does deserve a club or newsgroup all of it's own. I mean why should a 47 year old British icon have to share space with a German Hatchback after all?
Taffy
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dauph59 - 09 May 2006 04:47 GMT >>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > ------------- > Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com I don't think they have to share space at all. They are two different cars, with two different personalities. 50 years after the first Ford Model T hit the market, the Mini was introduced. It was enormously popular, just as the Model T was. Both of these cars were right for the times they were "born" in. People from a hundred years ago might argue that the Mini was not what a true car should be... too "plush", too many new-fangled gee-gaws <trying to type how they would have spoken>. And who knows what your grandchildren will be saying about the MINI 50 years from now?
The German engineering shouldn't cause you any concern. After all, hasn't BMW owned Mini since the early 90's? I mean, people have different tastes. I prefer the "C3" Corvette Stingray to the currently produced model. And is the Corvette a truly American car anymore? More and more, this is a global economy we live in. The classic Mini was built and sold in how many different countries and by how many corporations over the years? So maybe the MINI is just a paradigm shift in the evolution of a great car with a colorful history.
But you are right... no car can share space with the Mini. It's one of a kind, like the Model T... and the MINI.
Sorry if I'm rambling. It's late here and I have to get up early! :)
Charlie
Taffy - 09 May 2006 15:58 GMT > >>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >>is that there are not enough of them (at least in the U.S.) to form, let > >>alone maintain, a club. In the past I've had to resort to joining clubs
> >>like the Micro/Mini Car Club of Orlando (mini as in 'small', not the > >>make of car). That was a club that welcomed me and my 4CV, as well as [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Charlie Well the real Mini has been immortalised forever in the classic Michael Caine movie "The Italian Job" (1969) and this gets shown on TV at prime time every Christmas on BBC1 and everyone in Britain knows the famous line "Your Only Supposed To Blow The Bloody Doors Off" and although I've seen this film hundreds of times since I was 5 or 6, the getaway with the Mini Cooper S never fails to blow me away, I mean the stunts are exceptional and the Mini's just look so damned awesome and appealing that even in centuries time, people are going to say how amazing the Mini was and so was 1960's culture in Great Britain. After all we had it all back then and it's all in the film, we had the greatest cars like the Aston Martin, the E-Type Jaguar and of course the Mini Cooper S (well the Mini changed the face of motoring forever as it was revolutionary, was the first truly classless car and most cars today are based on it's technology and we took on the world and won in Motorsport with the Mini Cooper S), our music was changing the world with great bands like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks and The Pink Floyd etc etc (I apologize if I forgot any others, but there are so many!) and we had the best fashions too with the Mini-Skirt which was created by Mary Quant who had a Mini car too and there was a Mini Designer Limited Edition named after her and there was Carnaby Street fashions which most youngsters wore around the world back then too!
So yes the real Mini will be remembered and celebrated for it's greatness too and today there are so many hatchbacks on the road which try to emulate the real Mini's appeal, but none come close to capturing that great package or have the style or the pedigree/history that the real Mini has. Okay many criticize the Mini for failing to give the many companies (most were British until BMW came along in 1994, but okay they were constructed overseas too, well Longbridge couldn't cope with the demand and some countries like Italy and Australia etc built them from scratch with locally sourced components) that owned it over the years any real profit. But the way I see it is with the real Mini, we never had it so good for so long as we had a real little bargain with the Mini and there'll never be another car quite like it again, well there never was another car quite like it before anyway and it continued to sell even after a so called replacement was launched in 1980 originally called the MiniMetro (yes new Mini? We heard it all before!), because there really was no other car like a Mini and it was and still is the ultimate car to learn to drive in, drive to the shops or into town or the city in, or just hammer along a twisty bumpy road or in my case up/down and across Welsh mountains, yes once you've owned one it's probably easier to give up nicotine or heroine! So yes even though other manufacturers were launching smallish hatchbacks like the Ford Fiesta, Renault 5 and other stuff, the Mini didn't become outdated or old fashioned because of the reasons I just mentioned, plus of course it handled like nothing else on earth, especially when it wears 10" wheels.
So the Mini will never be forgotten, sadly it's name is being ripped off at present and other manufacturers are trying to copy that Mini appeal/image, but the real thing will always shine through and people will still be talking about it after they've invented flying cars no doubt! And I imagine someone will make a Mini fly too, but then they did that in "The Italian Job" (1969) anyway?
Okay I've waffled on enough now, but the Mini was rightly voted "greatest car of all time" by a leading motoring journal back in the 1990's and it got voted as the "greatest European car of the 20th century" only beaten to the world title by the Model T Ford production line concept, (well okay the Mini probably wouldn't exist without that to be fair I suppose) in a world vote a few years back. So yes BMW's effort has a long way to go and will be forgotten in time, much like the so called 2003 remake (or different story, same name) of The Italian Job". Well it's pretty much forgotten in Britain anyway as like I said the original and best is still shown every Christmas!
Taffy
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Madmax - 09 May 2006 16:45 GMT >>>>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 173 lines] > ------------- > Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com Talk about rambling! This guy ,Taffy, needs to get out and join the human race! Way too much living in the past.
xx - 09 May 2006 21:28 GMT > >>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >>is that there are not enough of them (at least in the U.S.) to form, let > >>alone maintain, a club. In the past I've had to resort to joining clubs
> >>like the Micro/Mini Car Club of Orlando (mini as in 'small', not the > >>make of car). That was a club that welcomed me and my 4CV, as well as [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Charlie Hi, You are so absolutely right. The Mini has it's place in motoring history as have other cars in their time. Although the Mini was not the first car with front wheel drive, it's time in the evolution of the car decreed that it was the turning point which led to almost ALL major manufacturers realising that this was the way to design future cars. There are so very few manufacturers now who stick to the traditional system of front steer, rear drive, and those who do, use this system for practical reasons. This is only one of the reasons that the Mini is an icon in the history of the motor car, and owners of other makes should bear this in mind when they criticise the Mini and their owners. Many modern cars would not even exist in their current form if it was not for the pioneering eforts of geniouses such as Issigonis and John Cooper. The Mini was designed and created by a genious, modern cars are designed by computers; perhaps this explains why they are all the same with no character and certainly very little history and heritage. The Bini has it's place, but only as a modern hatchback, and the only thing that it carries on from the Mini and it's heritage is the name, and that was only bought with hard cash at the expense of one of Britains oldest car manufacturers. The history and heritage earned by the Mini will live on for many years yet, and will have pride of place alongside such icons as the Ford GT40, Sunbeam Talbot, and a few others which earned their place in the history of the motor car.
LONG LIVE THE MINI
Keith (Although I have owned, enjoyed, and earned my living with Minis for over 40 years, I do not have one now for various reasons. I compensate by collecting model Minis, of which I now have over 500)
TurboJo - 09 May 2006 22:20 GMT Which Sunbeam Talbot?
>> >>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > collecting > model Minis, of which I now have over 500) xx - 10 May 2006 17:28 GMT > Which Sunbeam Talbot? The original talbot 90
Keith
> >> >>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) > >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > > now who stick to the traditional system of front steer, rear drive, and > > those who do, use this system for practical reasons. This is only one of
> > the > > reasons that the Mini is an icon in the history of the motor car, and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > collecting > > model Minis, of which I now have over 500) Taffy - 10 May 2006 16:26 GMT > > >>>>>Well life's a bitch eh Colin? ;O) > > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > years, I do not have one now for various reasons. I compensate by collecting > model Minis, of which I now have over 500) Oh yes the Mini wasn't the first front wheel drive car as such, but it was the one that pioneered the concept and the Mini packaged it all so amazingly with the engine mounted transversely and the gearbox in the sump etc all within a car not much longer than 10foot long, but there's still plenty of room for 4 adults to sit comfortable, some of their shopping, a spare wheel and odds and ends inside too! So yes it was and still is an amazing package and as the advertising said, it's "Wizardry On Wheels!" No wonder it stayed in production for over 41 years!
Taffy
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Madmax - 10 May 2006 20:21 GMT Taffy wrote:>>
> Oh yes the Mini wasn't the first front wheel drive car as such, but it was > the one that pioneered the concept and the Mini packaged it all so amazingly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Taffy My god, taffy is so feminine! Bet he still plays with his Barbie dolls.
madmax - 09 May 2006 04:48 GMT >>>I don't see anyone being offended? >> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > ------------- > Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com You may find that taffy really has a shallow mind and is a total bigot!
pierre - 05 May 2006 12:43 GMT G'day and welcome to the group, You will find there are very few fundamentalists here, most people are quite prepared to be civil that write in.
I have been chewed up a few times, I mean, although I have ever only owned the original mini, I don't mind the so called NEW mini, I also live in New South Wales, so as far as Taffy's concerned, who apparently lives in South Wales, I am going to have two strokes against me before I even start. lol
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Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dauph59" <dauph59@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: alt.autos.mini Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Newbie here... Go easy on me! :)
> > Oh no here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > positive attention, even if the person admiring it drove a Yugo or a > Toyota... or even a '68 Mini.
> > Oh no here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > positive attention, even if the person admiring it drove a Yugo or a > Toyota... or even a '68 Mini. Taffy - 05 May 2006 13:33 GMT Pierre I live in South Wales, United Kingdom actually mate!
Taffy
> G'day and welcome to the group, > You will find there are very few fundamentalists here, most people are quite [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > > positive attention, even if the person admiring it drove a Yugo or a > > Toyota... or even a '68 Mini. ------------- Get FREE newsgroup access from http://www.cheap56k.com
pierre - 06 May 2006 04:25 GMT I realise that Taffy, I had a quick peek at your homepage. I wasn't having a go at you mate, just thought it a coincidence and would be nice to show that if anyone had something to contribute to the NG, charge right in Cheers. Peter
> Pierre I live in South Wales, United Kingdom actually mate! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > Peter. http://www.cheap56k.com
Steve68s - 04 May 2006 18:46 GMT What is a 2002 MSC? I think you are in the wrong group, try alt.autos.newmini or alt.junk
Steve.
> Hi all! This is my first time here. Looks like it could be a fun > group... well, with a few exceptions I suppose, but it's that way in any [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bye Ya'll! madmax - 09 May 2006 04:47 GMT > What is a 2002 MSC? I think you are in the wrong group, try > alt.autos.newmini or alt.junk > > Steve. Or you could try stevesmothersucksdick.com or stevesuckshismothersdick.com!
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