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Car Forum / MINI / July 2006

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Mini Front Brakes not working - help / ideas needed!!

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simon.pg.quick@gmail.com - 29 Jun 2006 23:15 GMT
I'm working on an '89 Mini - the brakes are dual circuit front/rear.
The master cylinder, pipes and calipers have been replaced all round.

Having bled the front and rear circuits, the rear brakes are working
fine. However the front brakes do not work. Bleeding them again and
again makes no improvement although they do come on slightly when
pumping the pedal. Everything has been checked again and again and I am
pulling my hair out!! Has anyone got any ideas.
reg - 29 Jun 2006 23:23 GMT
> I'm working on an '89 Mini - the brakes are dual circuit front/rear.
> The master cylinder, pipes and calipers have been replaced all round.
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> pumping the pedal. Everything has been checked again and again and I am
> pulling my hair out!! Has anyone got any ideas.

you tried bleeding the master cylinder ? get an assistant sat in the car,
undo all the pipes to the master cyl and get the assistant to push the foot
brake down once, fluid should come out, do all the pipes up, then let the
foot brake up, repeat this a few times and see if that makes any difference.
Rob - 30 Jun 2006 01:28 GMT
>>I'm working on an '89 Mini - the brakes are dual circuit front/rear.
>>The master cylinder, pipes and calipers have been replaced all round.
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> brake down once, fluid should come out, do all the pipes up, then let the
> foot brake up, repeat this a few times and see if that makes any difference.

Usually the top pipe has the air.

One question was the MC overhauled?    or a new one?    If it was OH
then the springs could be in  the wrong way.
Anthony - 30 Jun 2006 16:58 GMT
>>> I'm working on an '89 Mini - the brakes are dual circuit front/rear.
>>> The master cylinder, pipes and calipers have been replaced all round.
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> One question was the MC overhauled?    or a new one?    If it was OH
> then the springs could be in  the wrong way.

Only other thing I can add is if the front calipers are 4 pots, check
the bleed nipples on the wheel side of the caliper. The other trick to
try is when bleeding tap the pedal a few times quickly and then stamp it
to the floor, this can help removing the air that can get trapped in the
master cylinder.

-anthony
Taffy - 30 Jun 2006 17:51 GMT
Have you checked the Brake Valve thingy mounted on the bulkhead (all
the brake lines run off it), just below the brake servo, as that can
cause problems if it needs changing?

I know many people have fitted brake bias valves instead.

Taffy
Fitzy - 30 Jun 2006 18:14 GMT
Clamp off the two front brake flex hoses with mole grips,
try the pedal, if its improved, then the master cylinder and all the brake
pipes are ok, so the fault must be with one or both callipers, release the
clamps, one at a time and monitor the pedal travel,
the calliper that causes excessive travel is the culprit,
this is just a quick way to reduce the search area,

IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR WITH CLAMPS ON FRONT
BRAKE FLEX HOSES,   ;-)
Fitzy

> Have you checked the Brake Valve thingy mounted on the bulkhead (all
> the brake lines run off it), just below the brake servo, as that can
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>
> Taffy
eddie - 03 Jul 2006 21:35 GMT
> Clamp off the two front brake flex hoses with mole grips,
> try the pedal, if its improved, then the master cylinder and all the brake
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> >
> > Taffy
eddie - 03 Jul 2006 21:40 GMT
My apologies to all for your help.

I fitted the lh caliper to the rh and the rh to left hand ------result
bleed nipples below and nice cavity above that cannot be bled my aonly
excuse was the box said l/h when was right hand

Ed

> Clamp off the two front brake flex hoses with mole grips,
> try the pedal, if its improved, then the master cylinder and all the brake
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> >
> > Taffy
Fitzy - 03 Jul 2006 22:37 GMT
Nice one rock steady eddie ;-)
Glad you sorted it out mate,
Fitzy

> My apologies to all for your help.
>
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>> >
>> > Taffy
Adrian - 03 Jul 2006 22:38 GMT
> My apologies to all for your help.

Pardon?

> I fitted the lh caliper to the rh and the rh to left hand ------result
> bleed nipples below and nice cavity above that cannot be bled my aonly
> excuse was the box said l/h when was right hand

<rolls eyes>

Still, it explains the top-posting.
madmax - 04 Jul 2006 04:56 GMT
Don't roll your eyes, they might stick. By the way, top posting is not a
crime.

>>My apologies to all for your help.
>
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>
> Still, it explains the top-posting.
RS - 04 Jul 2006 07:52 GMT
i believe top posting should now become the standard, with most poeple on a
decent connection and the servers holding more information.  top posting
removes the need for endless scrolling through long messages with hundreds
of > >> >>>> >>>>>> >> > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> arrows.

> Don't roll your eyes, they might stick. By the way, top posting is not a
> crime.
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>>
>> Still, it explains the top-posting.
David Taylor - 04 Jul 2006 14:16 GMT
> Don't roll your eyes, they might stick. By the way, top posting is not a
> crime.

I thought inciting murder _was_ a crime?

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madmax - 05 Jul 2006 07:37 GMT
>>Don't roll your eyes, they might stick. By the way, top posting is not a
>>crime.
>
> I thought inciting murder _was_ a crime?

What?
Chris Whelan - 04 Jul 2006 08:37 GMT
> My apologies to all for your help.
>
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>
> Ed

Thanks for being honest enough to let the NG know.

Chris

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