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Car Forum / MINI / September 2003Nitrous Oxide
Hello people, I was just looking on the mini speed website and saw that nitrous oxide is meant to be the cheapest way of getting more performance, however on calling my insurance broker (which is a specialist mini one www.lancaster-ins.co.uk) they said that none of their companies would insure such an upgrade. How do people get insured with the upgrade, is it worth while? How much does such insurance cost? I only pay ?300 a year fully comp including recovery for my cooper at the moment, I am betting any company that would cover the upgrade would be substancially more? James > Hello people, > I was just looking on the mini speed website and saw [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > James I might be wrong, but I only see nitrous as something of a novelty. Sure, it can produce serious power for short bursts, but is it really appropriate for a road car? If your car is currently standard, you should consider some rather more basic breathing mods first. Inlet and exhaust manifolds, exhaust system, air filter, maybe a modified head, etc.  SignatureRgds Steve steve@dsnclassics.co.uk www.dsnclassics.co.uk IMHO, not only performance, but also protecting of your car with small investment. If you want .. to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine problems. to make your engine oil cleaner. to reduce engine wear and friction. to extend your engine or transmission life. then, check this out, and put it on. http://www.turbo-mag.ca > > Hello people, > > I was just looking on the mini speed website and saw [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > basic breathing mods first. Inlet and exhaust manifolds, exhaust system, air > filter, maybe a modified head, etc. > IMHO, not only performance, > but also protecting of your car with small investment. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > then, check this out, and put it on. > http://www.turbo-mag.ca Sounds like a nice idea, but I just can't see how it would work. > Sounds like a nice idea, but I just can't see how it would work. The magnet on the sump plug works so why not? I'm not saying I would buy it mind but the theory sound good to me. As for in practice, well that's a different matter. Having said that the site has a set of supposed test results. Like you say, nice idea. I think I'll wair for it to catch on before I buy one though. Could of course just go and buy a magnet - or apparently the ones from inside a knackered hard drive are ideal ;) The Muffin Man > > IMHO, not only performance, > > but also protecting of your car with small investment. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sounds like a nice idea, but I just can't see how it would work. Thank you for the opinions, Yes, You can use cheap magnets from toys or hard drives for the fridge's shopping list. but please don't expect too much for your expensive car. This is NOT a regular magnet. Looks similar but totally different. It is a Nneodymium magnet made from Rare-earth element, treated with heat so that it won't loose the magnet strength with high temperature from the engine and engine oil. It's the most strongest permanent magnet in the world ever found. Don't attach Turbo-mag to your fridge for a shopping list paper. Once you put it on your fridge, you have to use a plier to pull it back because your fingers can not pull or move it without pain. So, you'll have fun with it. Good luck. BE. > Could of course just go and buy a magnet - or apparently the ones from > inside a knackered hard drive are ideal ;) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > Sounds like a nice idea, but I just can't see how it would work. > It's the most strongest permanent magnet in the world ever found. > Don't attach Turbo-mag to your fridge for a shopping list paper. > Once you put it on your fridge, you have to use a plier to pull it > back because your fingers can not pull or move it without pain. > So, you'll have fun with it. Good luck. How do you get it off the oil filter when you want to change it then? > > It's the most strongest permanent magnet in the world ever found. > > Don't attach Turbo-mag to your fridge for a shopping list paper. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How do you get it off the oil filter when you want to change it then? Fridge panel is so flat and large to get it off or move it to the edge of fridge. So, if you attached on the middle of fridge panel, you'd better to use plier. For oil filter, fingers are ok. BE. > Don't attach Turbo-mag to your fridge for a shopping list paper. > Once you put it on your fridge, you have to use a plier to pull it back > because your fingers can not pull or move it without pain. > So, you'll have fun with it. Good luck. So how do you get kryptonite magnets from an oil filter as it renders superman powerless to do it... The Muffin Man And splam was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: > > then, check this out, and put it on. > > http://www.turbo-spam.ca > > Sounds like a nice idea, but I just can't see how it would work. Unless your oil filter is in really bad shape, I can't see how it would provide any benefit at all. (and I really don't see how it could "Get better performance", as the website claims... Signature(-AD-) <uniqueid 'at' lineone.net> http://website.lineone.net/~uniqueid/ A hard rain's a gonna fall.. > And splam was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was > kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Unless your oil filter is in really bad shape, I can't see how it would > provide any benefit at all. Really don't know? Um... Micro abrasive particles start its circulation with the oil when you start engine, they are passing between piston rings and cylinder walls as well as through valve train, timing gears, oil pump and all the softer materials of bearings. They scratch and grind into the parts and generate more particles, thereby causing major engine wear, resulting in Excessive oil consumption, Abnormal engine noise, Performance problems, Oil pressure, Abnormal operating temperatures or Stuck/broken piston rings. It may cause a couple of hundreds to thousands of cost to fix or rebuilt. Turbo-Mag made from the most strongest and heat treated magnet so that it could not only trap ferrous micro particles inside of the oil filter but also keep the magnetic strength from high temperature from engine. Here is a simple answer. 1. Attach it 2. After thousands miles driving, cut open your oil filter 3. then you'll see what I'm talking about, for sure. Simply, It works. if still don't understand? then, I'll give it up. You forget it. ^^; > (and I really don't see how it could "Get better performance", as the > website claims... It means reducing friction make the engine run better and get little more power. If it did make you confused, now I'm considering to remove the claim. ^^; And BE was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: > > And splam was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was > > kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > or Stuck/broken piston rings. > It may cause a couple of hundreds to thousands of cost to fix or rebuilt. So here's a simple question: What is the purpose of the oil filter? Answer: it's there to catch all that crud and remove it from circulation. Another simple question: What would happen to the metal particles that the magnet catches if the magnet wasn't there? Answer: the oil filter would catch them anyway, just like it's designed to do. Just think about it... Signature(-AD-) <uniqueid 'at' lineone.net> http://website.lineone.net/~uniqueid/ "I will squash your broccoli L1EK BUG!" - Phil > So here's a simple question: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Just think about it... There are a lot of tiny particles that the filter lets through. I'm dubious as to how much benefit this magnet would provide though. It'll catch a lot of the iron particles but not copper, aluminium, carbon etc. SignatureGareth I'm a reasonable man, get off my case. > > So here's a simple question: > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > dubious as to how much benefit this magnet would provide though. It'll > catch a lot of the iron particles but not copper, aluminium, carbon etc. -AD-, If you go see the boxes of some oil filters in auto store you'll find that the filter catches only bigger than usually 10 ~ 40 micron range particles. Oil filter manufacturer can not make 1 micron filter because it will slow down the filtered oil's flow too much and filter can not supply enough oil pressure to the engine. Maybe you say that the particles less than 10 micron are not harmful to our engine. Really? Then, I will send a half teaspoonful of 10 micron sized iron particles to you. You put them into your engine on every your oil change. Will you? Do you like to drink tap water or filtered water? Do you have a water filter at your home? Then why? Though government usually says that the tap water is filtered to be good enough for your health. Why people buy bottled water or install a filtering system? Simple Brita filter is better than 5 steps filtering system? Do you buy Brita filter because it is cheap or better filtering? Gareth, Thanks for your opinion. of course www.turbo-mag.ca magnet only traps ferrous. however... Still Iron and Steel alloy (ferrous) are used in many engine parts. Aluminum alloy engine blocks also use iron cylinder sleeves. Cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc... Let's see some reports of the actual used oil analyses which I found in an internet forum. They send used oil sample from oil pan to a laboratory. ----------------------------------------- 2001 Camry, V-6 engine .... 80% city/20% highway driving Miles on engine, 26000 miles on oil, 7200 No makeup oil added OEM paper air filter SDF-57 oil filter Wear Metals Fe, 21 ppm Cr, 0 ppm Pb, 4 ppm Cu, 8 ppm Sn, 1 ppm Al, 9 ppm Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm ... ------------------------------------------ 1999 Honda Civic 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual 0w30 Castrol Syntec 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine No fuel or oil additives NAPA Gold oil filter OEM air filter Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks) Average of 366 miles per week No top up oil Oil capacity is 4.2 qts This car is driven mostly on the highway (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic) This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30 Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30 8000 miles 5500 miles . Iron 19 14 Lead 10 4.5 Aluminum 5.2 2.5 Copper 3.8 3.0 Silicon 8 11 Nickel 0.1 0 Chromium 3 0.8 Titanium 0.1 0 Tin 0.2 0 Silver 0.4 0.2 Vanadium 0.2 0 Potassium 0 0 ..... ------------------------------------------ As you can see, engine makes metallic particles even it has oil filter. Fe(iron) is the most wear in the above 2 cases. Unfortunatly, Iron can easily causes more wears of non-ferrous metals such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim), since iron and steel are harder than them and circulating in the softer parts at the speed of several gallons oil per minute until engine stops. The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc... can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise, performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures, stuck/broken piston rings etc... If you need to open your engine or transmission, a couple of hundreds to thousands for parts and labor and your valuable time will be payable to fix or rebuilt. BE. And BE was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: > If you go see the boxes of some oil filters in auto store > you'll find that the filter catches only bigger than > usually 10 ~ 40 micron range particles. > Oil filter manufacturer can not make 1 micron filter > because it will slow down the filtered oil's flow too much > and filter can not supply enough oil pressure to the engine. There's also the fact that they don't need to make filters that remove particles that small. > Maybe you say that the particles less than 10 micron are not harmful to our > engine. > Really? Then, I will send a half teaspoonful of 10 micron sized iron > particles to you. > You put them into your engine on every your oil change. > Will you? Yes, quite happily. Particles smaller in size than the thickness of the oil film between moving surfaces have a quite insignificant effect on component wear. Granted, in a situation where the oil film breaks down (such as insufficient oil supply or an overloaded bearing) then very small particles would become tribologically significant, but you would probably have more serious problems to worry about in that situation. In the Real World, there are several factors that are much more significant to engine wear than microparticles - chemical corrosion, for instance. [...] > Unfortunatly, Iron can easily causes more wears of non-ferrous metals > such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim), since iron and steel are > harder than them and circulating in the softer parts at the speed of > several gallons oil per minute until engine stops. What actually happens in a hard/soft material bearing surface under abrasive wear conditions is that the abrasive particles tend to embed themselves into the surface of the softer material and cause much more wear of the harder component. (There is one magnetic device that I think is worthwhile - the magnetic plug that you can fit behind the gearbox that traps particles freshly shed by the gearbox in the oil pickup pipe before they reach the oil pump.) Signature(-AD-) <uniqueid 'at' lineone.net> http://website.lineone.net/~uniqueid/ The Dodo never stood a chance. i did get a tip once that if you strap some magnets to the oil filter it will catch a load more bits. without slowing oil flow as it's not a physical barrier. just a suggestion. > And BE was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was > kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > plug that you can fit behind the gearbox that traps particles freshly shed > by the gearbox in the oil pickup pipe before they reach the oil pump.) >>>So here's a simple question: >>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > You put them into your engine on every your oil change. > Will you? Yep! > Gareth, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > which I found in an internet forum. > They send used oil sample from oil pan to a laboratory. <snip technical data> > As you can see, engine makes metallic particles even it has oil filter. > Fe(iron) is the most wear in the above 2 cases. > Unfortunatly, Iron can easily causes more wears of non-ferrous metals > such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim), since iron and steel are > harder than them and circulating in the softer parts at the speed of > several gallons oil per minute until engine stops. Interesting. It's a shame they didn't test for carbon content in the oil. I would imagine that it's higher than all of those put together. Carbon is also very hard. > The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc... > can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise, > performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures, > stuck/broken piston rings etc... It's called normal engine wear. I have seen engines that have done 250,000 miles without one of these devices. > If you need to open your engine or transmission, > a couple of hundreds to thousands for parts and labor > and your valuable time will be payable to fix or rebuilt. This is a Mini forum. You can fit a new engine in a Mini fo £100 :-) The only real way to test the use of this device is to get two identical, brand new cars and fit the device to one of them. Use the cars normally for a year or two and then analyze the wear on the two engines. If you did this and proved that the engine with the device had significantly less wear then I would be convinced. Sorry if 'm being too sceptical but I've seen too many of these miracle engine saving devices and I have yet to see one that works. SignatureGareth I'm a reasonable man, get off my case. hey splam you coming to the nats????? > > IMHO, not only performance, > > but also protecting of your car with small investment. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sounds like a nice idea, but I just can't see how it would work. |
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