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Car Forum / MINI / May 2008Re: alt.Atheism tired of Duke
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:08:06 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary > Kittrell) wrote: > > >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that not one atheist > >> organization came forward and offered assistance to the victims of Katrina. > > >And of course you ignored it when I pointed out that Paul Kurz' SHARE > >raised $50000 for the victims of Katrina. > Never heard of him. Duke, the world is composed largely of things you've never heard of. This is true to a much greater degree than it is of the rest of us, as evidenced by how often you say "I never heard of...", as if such ignorance were something to boast about. > >> You > >> got so uptight that you tried to claim the Salvation Army (a Christian group) > >> and the Red Cross (secular) were atheist organizations. > > >And you have repeatedly clammed up when challenged to show > >posts where anyone int this groups claimed that either organization > >was an "atheist organization". > > Old hat. Use the famous google that you atheist wannabe's love to call up. Your claim, you back it up. But in this case you cannot. I know that because I spent an hour trying to find it, back when this first came up. And you, obviously, also cannot, otherwise you'd be rubbing the link in my face. Liar. -- cary > duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Duke, the world is composed largely of things you've never heard of. Reality being the one he knows least about...  SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ “The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age brings wisdom.” - H. L. Mencken >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Reality being the one he knows least about... Now here's a resident of NO that rather run than stay and help. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that not one atheist >> >> organization came forward and offered assistance to the victims of Katrina. >> >And of course you ignored it when I pointed out that Paul Kurz' SHARE >> >raised $50000 for the victims of Katrina. >> Never heard of him. >Duke, the world is composed largely of things you've never >heard of. Not one atheist organization came forward and publicly offered to help the victims of katrina. >> >And you have repeatedly clammed up when challenged to show >> >posts where anyone int this groups claimed that either organization >> >was an "atheist organization". >> Old hat. Use the famous google that you atheist wannabe's love to call up. >Your claim, you back it up. Such claims were made right here on this ng. Go find them yourself. >But in this case you cannot. I know that because I spent >an hour trying to find it, back when this first came up. That's your problem, not mine. Such claims as the Salvation Army and Red CRoss as atheist organizations were made right here on this ng. Go find them yourself. >And you, obviously, also cannot, otherwise you'd be rubbing >the link in my face. >Liar. Nope, I never lie on the ng. I have no reason to. The truth does me just fine. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that not one atheist > >> >> organization came forward and offered assistance to the victims of Katrina. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Not one atheist organization came forward and publicly offered to help the > victims of katrina. You are disgusting. you have no way of knowing what percentage of contributions came from those who believe in gods and those who do not. Atheism is not an organization, it is simply a rejection of silly gods > >> >And you have repeatedly clammed up when challenged to show > >> >posts where anyone int this groups claimed that either organization [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Nope, I never lie on the ng. I have no reason to. The truth does me just fine. Outside of religion maybe you do not lie, but since nothing about religion is verified, lies flow like water > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Not one atheist organization came forward and publicly offered to help the >> victims of katrina. >You are disgusting. you have no way of knowing what percentage of contributions came >from those who believe in gods and those who do not. The Catholic Church, the Protestant Churches, Jews, all came forward as identified groups to help. There was no identified atheist group that helped the victims of katrina. >Atheism is not an organization, it is simply a rejection of silly gods And the love of God for his creation. Atheists don't like that. >> >> >And you have repeatedly clammed up when challenged to show >> >> >posts where anyone int this groups claimed that either organization >> >> >was an "atheist organization". >> >> Old hat. Use the famous google that you atheist wannabe's love to call up. >> >Your claim, you back it up. >> Such claims were made right here on this ng. Go find them yourself. >> >But in this case you cannot. I know that because I spent >> >an hour trying to find it, back when this first came up. >> That's your problem, not mine. Such claims as the Salvation Army and Red CRoss >> as atheist organizations were made right here on this ng. Go find them >> yourself. >> >And you, obviously, also cannot, otherwise you'd be rubbing >> >the link in my face. >> >Liar. >> Nope, I never lie on the ng. I have no reason to. The truth does me just fine. >Outside of religion maybe you do not lie, but since nothing about religion is verified, >lies flow like water The truth of God comes from God. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> Not one atheist organization came forward and publicly offered to help the > >> victims of katrina. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > The truth of God comes from God. ......and as 'He' never does come, does not go, does not speak, is not heard from, is not seen .... then NOTHING comes from 'Him' Grow up and stop using circular childish nonsense > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> The truth of God comes from God. >......and as 'He' never does come, >does not go, does not speak, is not heard from, is not seen >.... then NOTHING comes from 'Him' I talk to him every day. And he responds. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> The truth of God comes from God. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I talk to him every day. And he responds. Voices????? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> The truth of God comes from God. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Voices????? Nope. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> The truth of God comes from God. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nope. Have you not said that you hear your deity through your heart? What, exactly does that mean? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> The truth of God comes from God. >>>>>......and as 'He' never does come, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>Voices????? >> Nope. >Have you not said that you hear your deity through your heart? What, >exactly does that mean? In my heart, not thru my heart. When talking to God, one knows immediately what God says. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> The truth of God comes from God. >>>>>>......and as 'He' never does come, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > immediately what > God says. And why not, you should know what you are trying to tell yourself, shouldn't you? The altermantive is nuttyness. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>>The truth of God comes from God. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In my heart, not thru my heart. When talking to God, one knows immediately what > God says. When talking to dookie, one knows immediately what an a.s he is. >>>Have you not said that you hear your deity through your heart? What, >>>exactly does that mean? >> In my heart, not thru my heart. When talking to God, one knows immediately what >> God says. >When talking to dookie, one knows immediately what an a.s he is. Which doesn't matter much when I'm talking to God. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Have you not said that you hear your deity through your heart? What, >>>>exactly does that mean? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Which doesn't matter much when I'm talking to God. It does when you are talking to us though. In my heart, I know you are a fool. >> Which doesn't matter much when I'm talking to God. >It does when you are talking to us though. In my heart, I know you are a >fool. You don't count in my life - God does. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>Which doesn't matter much when I'm talking to God. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ***** If I don't count, you sure are wasting a lot of time arguing with me. >>>>Which doesn't matter much when I'm talking to God. >>> >>>It does when you are talking to us though. In my heart, I know you are a >>>fool. >> >> You don't count in my life - God does. >If I don't count, you sure are wasting a lot of time arguing with me. You need my help. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>Which doesn't matter much when I'm talking to God. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You need my help. You can't even help yourself. Still wasting away time. >>>>You don't count in my life - God does. >>>If I don't count, you sure are wasting a lot of time arguing with me. >> You need my help. >You can't even help yourself. Still wasting away time. Christian: win/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is no almighty God. Good luck on your final decision. Remember, though, that decision time ends at the moment you die. Good luck. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>You don't count in my life - God does. >>>>If I don't count, you sure are wasting a lot of time arguing with me. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ends at > the moment you die. Good luck. Pascel's Wager that only you seem to understand . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** Dan Listermann said the following on 3/18/2008 5:39 AM: >>>>>> You don't count in my life - God does. >>>>> If I don't count, you sure are wasting a lot of time arguing with me. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pascel's Wager that only you seem to understand . . . Let me alter this Wager (because Duke believes it to be "solid") to expose the idiocy that is the Wager: ----- Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is a god who prefers lack of belief over belief in a false god. Good luck on your final decision. Remember, though, that decision time ends at the moment you die. Good luck. ----- There. Solid, right? Signature******************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * * BAAWA Knight - Latheist Division * * "We Are the Latheist Thuns of Bithes You Ever Thaw." * *------------------------------------------------------* * "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my * * profession. I could never give assent to the long, * * complicated statements of Christian dogma." * * --Abraham Lincoln * ******************************************************** DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: > Dan Listermann said the following on 3/18/2008 5:39 AM: >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > There. Solid, right? Err, missed a portion of the Wager to alter. Let me try that again: ----- Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. Win comes into play if there is a god who prefers lack of belief over belief in a false god. Good luck on your final decision. Remember, though, that decision time ends at the moment you die. Good luck. ----- Signature******************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * * BAAWA Knight - Latheist Division * * "We Are the Latheist Thuns of Bithes You Ever Thaw." * *------------------------------------------------------* * "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my * * profession. I could never give assent to the long, * * complicated statements of Christian dogma." * * --Abraham Lincoln * ******************************************************** > DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > ends at the moment you die. Good luck. > ----- Holy sh.t!!!!!! I'm going straight to hell. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** Yes, yes you are. >>> DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: >>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Yes, yes you are. There's no Hell, Jabbers. >>> Holy sh.t!!!!!! I'm going straight to hell. >>Yes, yes you are. >There's no Hell, Jabbers. Pack your suitcase. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > There's no Hell, Jabbers. Dookie is a living hell. >>>>>DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >Dookie is a living hell. I killfiled the twit a couple of months ago. >>>>>>DanielSan said the following on 3/18/2008 5:40 AM: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > I killfiled the twit a couple of months ago. If I killfile him, he will go straight to computer hell. heehehehe >>Dookie is a living hell. >I killfiled the twit a couple of months ago. Kill filing is evident of the inability to participate in a public discussion. So long, jb. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> ----- >> Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. No win comes into play [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> ----- >> There. Solid, right? >Err, missed a portion of the Wager to alter. Let me try that again: No, you're just pretending to have make a mistake. I know that you have no idea what the PW really is. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> ----- >>> Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. No win comes into play [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > no idea > what the PW really is. Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> ----- >>>> Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. No win comes into play [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. You could too if you bothered to research it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> ----- >>>>> Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. No win comes into [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > You could too if you bothered to research it. I doubt that I would see things the way you do. It would be better if you just sat down and explained it all to us in your own words. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jombo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** <snip> >>>> No, you're just pretending to have make a mistake. I know that >>>> you have no idea [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I doubt that I would see things the way you do. It would be better > if you just sat down and explained it all to us in your own words. Earl never quite gets around to discussing it. ><snip> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >Earl never quite gets around to discussing it. You're a big boy. Go do your own work, mikey. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You're a big boy. Go do your own work, mikey. You guys are right, dookie just runs away with his tail between his legs. What a fucktard. >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:29:07 -0700, "Mike Painter" >> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > You guys are right, dookie just runs away with his tail between his > legs. What a fucktard. He's as sharp as a bowling ball. >>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:29:07 -0700, "Mike Painter" >>> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >He's as sharp as a bowling ball. Doesn't take much with you clowns. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >You guys are right, dookie just runs away with his tail between his >legs. What a fucktard. Hey, you can't offer anything intelligent to discuss. Please, please kill-file me. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>You guys are right, dookie just runs away with his tail between his >>legs. What a fucktard. > > Hey, you can't offer anything intelligent to discuss. Please, please kill-file > me. Having an intelligent discussion with you is impossible. You are one sided, closed minded, and a f.cking retard. >> Hey, you can't offer anything intelligent to discuss. Please, please kill-file >> me. >Having an intelligent discussion with you is impossible. You are one >sided, closed minded, and a f.cking retard. All you pre-teens think the same. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > All you pre-teens think the same. I rest my case. >>>Having an intelligent discussion with you is impossible. You are one >>>sided, closed minded, and a f.cking retard. >> All you pre-teens think the same. >I rest my case. Me too. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >> You could too if you bothered to research it. >I doubt that I would see things the way you do. It would be better if you >just sat down and explained it all to us in your own words. You're just one in a long line of atheist wannabe clowns that talk about it but never reflect any understanding of it. Do your own homework. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >>> You could too if you bothered to research it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Do your own homework. In other words, you are full of it. You can't imagine how surprosed we all are . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> You're just one in a long line of atheist wannabe clowns that talk about >> it but never reflect any understanding of it. >> Do your own homework. >In other words, you are full of it. No, bubba, it's just that you are so empty of knowledge. You have YET to offer anything of intelligence to discuss. >You can't imagine how surprosed we all >are . . . You can't imagine how unsurprised I am at how surprosed [sic] you are. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> You're just one in a long line of atheist wannabe clowns that talk about >>> it but never reflect any understanding of it. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You can't imagine how unsurprised I am at how surprosed [sic] you are. I suppose we can see your pattern of saying something stupid and, when pressed to explain yourself , you just start insulting people. It seems to me that you are a poor example of the sort of people who believe in deities. Not that your deities are any more defective than others, but you seem to have a hard time defending them in a civil way. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> You can't imagine how unsurprised I am at how surprosed [sic] you are. >I suppose we can see your pattern of saying something stupid and, when >pressed to explain yourself , you just start insulting people. It seems >to me that you are a poor example of the sort of people who believe in >deities. Not that your deities are any more defective than others, but you >seem to have a hard time defending them in a civil way. I already told you. When you first say something intelligent and worthy of discussion, I'll be glad to entertain you. So far your data base is empty. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> You can't imagine how unsurprised I am at how surprosed [sic] you are. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So far your data base is empty. My "data base" is empty. I am not trying to show something exists, I don't need a "data base" for that. You are claiming the existance of something and YOUR "data base" is empty so we are unimpressed with your claims. When pressed for "data," you can only blert out the "Big Bang" and "bananas" but you seem to be incapable of explaining why these two things are revelent to the existance of deieties beyond appealing to ignorance. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I already told you. When you first say something intelligent and worthy >> of discussion, I'll be glad to entertain you. >> So far your data base is empty. >My "data base" is empty. Yep, that's what I said. > I am not trying to show something exists, I don't >need a "data base" for that. And it's empty. > You are claiming the existance of something >and YOUR "data base" is empty so we are unimpressed with your claims. When >pressed for "data," you can only blert out the "Big Bang" and "bananas" but >you seem to be incapable of explaining why these two things are revelent to >the existance of deieties beyond appealing to ignorance. If you had a data base, you could put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4. But you can't even start your engine. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I already told you. When you first say something intelligent and worthy >>> of discussion, I'll be glad to entertain you. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > And it's empty. >> You are claiming the existance of something >>and YOUR "data base" is empty so we are unimpressed with your claims. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > But > you can't even start your engine. I don't NEED data. I am NOT claiming anything EXISTS. You NEED data because you ARE claiming something EXISTS. This is very basic stuff and you seem to want to totally ignore it. So show us your "data base" - bananas? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** <snip> >> If you had a data base, you could put 2 and 2 together and come up >> with 4. But [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So show us your "data base" - bananas? Waste of time, but fun. Earl did offer some "evidence" a while back and even if it had been evidence he got most of it wrong. But his data base comments again support my TOD "His repetition of some current pet phrase is seen in children and drunks. I suspect it might be in other mental problems. " The big thing lacking is how the people in Alt.recovery.catholic got rid of him. I think ignoring him would be the best way. >The big thing lacking is how the people in Alt.recovery.catholic got rid of >him. I think ignoring him would be the best way. I love this. An empty data base talking to a brake mechanic that stated a global flood of the world was impossible due to the partial pressure of air. danny and mikey - a couple made in hell. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> If you had a data base, you could put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4. >> But you can't even start your engine. >I don't NEED data. I am NOT claiming anything EXISTS. You NEED data >because you ARE claiming something EXISTS. This is very basic stuff and you >seem to want to totally ignore it. Never before have you made such a profound statement. You don't have a data base to discuss ANYTHING, and that includes the weather. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> If you had a data base, you could put 2 and 2 together and come up with >>> 4. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > data > base to discuss ANYTHING, and that includes the weather. You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond bananas of course . . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> If you had a data base, you could put 2 and 2 together and come up with >>>> 4. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond bananas of course . >. . . I don't have to support my superstition. I have none. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:02:46 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I don't have to support my superstition. I have none. Right. All the other religions besides yours are superstitions. Your is the only real one. Wanna buy a bridge? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond bananas of course >> I don't have to support my superstition. I have none. >Right. All the other religions besides yours are superstitions. Your is >the only real one. Wanna buy a bridge? Swoosh - right over your head. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond bananas of >>>>course [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Swoosh - right over your head. Well, isn't that what you think? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond bananas of >>>>>course [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Well, isn't that what you think? Claiming his opponent is missing the point is Duke's standard response to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. Which means it's pretty much his *only* response. <G> >> duke, American-American >> ***** >> "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." >> Pope Paul VI >> ***** >>>>>>You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond bananas of >>>>>>course [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. >Which means it's pretty much his *only* response. <G> Not to worry, johnny little fellah, when I have a real discussion on hand, I respond. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:07:24 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I > respond. Evidently we are far beneeth his level and don't deserve attention beyond an insult. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Not to worry, johnny little fellah, when I have a real discussion on hand, >> I >> respond. >Evidently we are far beneeth his level and don't deserve attention beyond an >insult. Evidently, you're finally starting to figure out that your zero knowledge base leaves you unable to discuss anything with anyone, so why would anyone bother with you? It's your own undoing, not mine. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Not to worry, johnny little fellah, when I have a real discussion on >>> hand, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's your own undoing, not mine. LOL! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** <snip> >>>>>>>> You have no "data" to support your superstition - beyond >>>>>>>> bananas of course [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Evidently we are far beneeth his level and don't deserve attention > beyond an insult. Here's a part of one of his "responses" from some time ago. Note that even after saying this he still argues for real Adam and Eve as well as a real flood. "First, I'm not an expert on the bible. Second, the bible especially the OT, is the beginning of the big picture, God introducing himself to us, etc. Before written communication methods came about, communication consisted of stories passed from generation to generation revealing other things, like God and his relationship to us. Nobody knows if, or which, of the OT stories is literally true, in part or in whole. All those OT stories were passed on in stories of death, killing, personal destruction, war, etc. for evil done and for those standing against God. This is the nature of the old covenant (agreement) between God and man, one based on words written on stone tablets and fulfilled thru the blood of animal sacrifice. Do I believe the A&E story literal - no, not as a physical occurance, but an explanation of man's inherent natural flaw to put one's self before others and before God. And the results thereof. Do I believe the flood story literal - no. A story from long ago about how God punishes evil and those that stand against him. Equally brought out in the golden calf story and Moses. <snip> " There are others that are fun to read. >>> Not to worry, johnny little fellah, when I have a real discussion on >>> hand, I >>> respond. >> Evidently we are far beneeth his level and don't deserve attention >> beyond an insult. >Here's a part of one of his "responses" from some time ago. Note that even >after saying this he still argues for real Adam and Eve as well as a real >flood. You never did get it, mikey. Genesis chapters 1-11, which contain both the A&E and flood stories, are not considered literal truth (necessarily), but instead Israel's faith statement re God's creation of the universe and all in it, and to include mankind. But the brake fluid you sip fuzzes your brain, and you never did get it. >"First, I'm not an expert on the bible. Yep, that's for sure. But I can't find anything in listerman's data base. It's empty. >Second, the bible especially the OT, is the beginning of the big picture, >God introducing himself to us, etc. Before written communication methods came >about, communication consisted of stories passed from generation to >generation revealing other things, like God and his relationship to us. Nobody knows >if, or which, of the OT stories is literally true, in part or in whole. >All those OT stories were passed on in stories of death, killing, personal >destruction, war, etc. for evil done and for those standing against God. >This is the nature of the old covenant (agreement) between God and man, one based >on words written on stone tablets and fulfilled thru the blood of animal >sacrifice. >Do I believe the A&E story literal - no, not as a physical occurance, but an >explanation of man's inherent natural flaw to put one's self before others >and before God. And the results thereof. >Do I believe the flood story literal - no. A story from long ago about how >God >punishes evil and those that stand against him. Equally brought out in the >golden calf story and Moses. > <snip> " >There are others that are fun to read. Haahaahaahaahaa. And, oh, so true. Welcome to Christianity and Catholicism, mikey. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > Yep, that's for sure. But I can't find anything in listerman's data base. > It's > empty. My "data base" is just as big as yours, but I am not asserting anything so I don't need a "data base," do I? You asert that there are deities. This is not the default position. You need to back up what you assert. Me, I just don't see the "data base" your assertion is made from. I don't believe in things that don't have a "Data Base;" you seem to do that. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:07:24 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. > Which means it's pretty much his *only* response. <G> I suppose it would be different if he took the time to explain where I missed his point. >>> duke, American-American >>> ***** >>> "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." >>> Pope Paul VI >>> ***** >>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:07:24 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >I suppose it would be different if he took the time to explain where I >missed his point. In order for him to do that, he'd have to actually *have* a point. >>>> duke, American-American >>>> ***** >>>> "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." >>>> Pope Paul VI >>>> ***** >>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:07:24 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >In order for him to do that, he'd have to actually *have* a point. Oh, that I clearly do. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> Claiming his opponent is missing the point is Duke's standard response >> to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. >> Which means it's pretty much his *only* response. <G> >I suppose it would be different if he took the time to explain where I >missed his point. I can tell you that - you posted. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Claiming his opponent is missing the point is Duke's standard response >>> to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I can tell you that - you posted. Another stupid punt. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> Claiming his opponent is missing the point is Duke's standard response >>>> to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. >>>> Which means it's pretty much his *only* response. <G> >>>I suppose it would be different if he took the time to explain where I >>>missed his point. >> I can tell you that - you posted. >Another stupid punt. Gotcha again, and as usual. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> Claiming his opponent is missing the point is Duke's standard response >>>>> to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gotcha again, and as usual. You make me laugh out loud! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > You make me laugh out loud! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Pope Paul VI >>***** duk makes everyone laugh at him. The fool on the hill. >> You make me laugh out loud! >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > duk makes everyone laugh at him. The fool on the hill. All alone on his porcelain throne. >>>>> Claiming his opponent is missing the point is Duke's standard response >>>>> to any question he can't answer or any statement he can't refute. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gotcha again, and as usual. Who was the Senator who saud that we should declare victory and leave Nam? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Right. All the other religions besides yours are superstitions. Your is >>>the only real one. Wanna buy a bridge? >> Swoosh - right over your head. >Well, isn't that what you think? Nope. But you never even considered that. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Right. All the other religions besides yours are superstitions. Your >>>>is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nope. But you never even considered that. Well then, tell us what you really think. I know, I know, please suffer through it again . . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>Right. All the other religions besides yours are superstitions. Your >>>>>is the only real one. Wanna buy a bridge? >>>> Swoosh - right over your head. >>>Well, isn't that what you think? >> Nope. But you never even considered that. >Well then, tell us what you really think. I know, I know, please suffer >through it again . . . . You admitted to a zero knowledge base re all religious beliefs, don't want to discuss them, and only want discuss to superstitions re religion. Viola'. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>Right. All the other religions besides yours are superstitions. Your >>>>>>is the only real one. Wanna buy a bridge? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to > discuss them, and only want discuss to superstitions re religion. Who could blame you for avoiding the fact that religion, even yours, is merely another form of superstition? If I believed in embarrassing superstitions, I would not want to have to think about them too closely either. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** Dan Listermann (Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:47 -0400): > If I believed in embarrassing > superstitions, I would not want to have to think about them too closely > either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance An article, especially written for Dukes. SignatureMein Sommertraum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75CYlvg5rk >Dan Listermann (Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:47 -0400): > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >An article, especially written for Dukes. Nobody of any intelligence uses wiki for a knowledge base. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>Dan Listermann (Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:04:47 -0400): >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nobody of any intelligence uses wiki for a knowledge base. Nobody of any intelligence is named duke, American-American. >> Nobody of any intelligence uses wiki for a knowledge base. >Nobody of any intelligence is named duke, American-American. I am, and I'm your intellectually superior every day. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I am, and I'm your intellectually superior every day. Wake up Dookie.....you are having another wet dream. >> You admitted to a zero knowledge base re all religious beliefs, don't want >> to discuss them, and only want discuss to superstitions re religion. >Who could blame you for avoiding the fact that religion, even yours, is >merely another form of superstition? So where is your support for it being superstition? > If I believed in embarrassing >superstitions, I would not want to have to think about them too closely >either. You don't think too closely. Take my word for it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> You admitted to a zero knowledge base re all religious beliefs, don't >>> want [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So where is your support for it being superstition? How about the fact that it has no basis in reality - at least none that you can bring up? Wait, there was bananas, wasn't there . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Do your own homework. Hey! I just did my homework and realized that dookie is a complete idiot. He's one sided, the wrong side, and closed minded. He's a lonely little man, with no friends, and has a little tiny penis that the hookers laugh at. >>>>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > man, with no friends, and has a little tiny penis that the hookers laugh > at. Even his inflatable "girlfriend" laughs at it. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 >>>>>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Even his inflatable "girlfriend" laughs at it. Aw, now come on, smiler, you're using my joke directed at the one and only infamous yangie poopoo. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >little man, with no friends, and has a little tiny penis that the >hookers laugh at. I told you to quit looking at me. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>Only duke knows what Pascel's Wager is and he ain't tellin'. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I told you to quit looking at me. I told you to f.ck off and die. >> I told you to quit looking at me. >I told you to f.ck off and die. Quit looking at me. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>I told you to quit looking at me. >> >>I told you to f.ck off and die. > > Quit looking at me. I'm not looking at you,,,,,I'm laughing at you! >>>>I told you to quit looking at me. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >I'm not looking at you,,,,,I'm laughing at you! No, in the previous post, you indicated you like to look at men. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>I told you to quit looking at me. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No, in the previous post, you indicated you like to look at men. Then why would I look at you, bitch? In the previous post I told you to f.ck off and die. Now do it! Write us a letter from your fictitious heaven. >>>>Quit looking at me. >>>I'm not looking at you,,,,,I'm laughing at you! >> No, in the previous post, you indicated you like to look at men. >Then why would I look at you, bitch? In the previous post I told you to >f.ck off and die. Because you're just a little fag. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> I told you to quit looking at me. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > I'm not looking at you,,,,,I'm laughing at you! So is everyone else. >>>>> I told you to quit looking at me. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >So is everyone else. But you kids can't correct me. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> Pascel's Wager that only you seem to understand . . . >Let me alter this Wager (because Duke believes it to be "solid") to >expose the idiocy that is the Wager: The premise, doug/dave/ds, is rock solid. >Atheist: win/no win. Christian: lose/no win. No win comes into play >if there is a god who prefers lack of belief over belief in a false god. >Good luck on your final decision. Remember, though, that decision time >ends at the moment you die. Good luck. >There. Solid, right? Yep, garbage. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>You don't count in my life - God does. >>>>>If I don't count, you sure are wasting a lot of time arguing with me. >>>> You need my help. >>>You can't even help yourself. Still wasting away time. >> Christian: win/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. No win comes into play if >> there >> is no almighty God. >> Good luck on your final decision. Remember, though, that decision time >> ends at >> the moment you die. Good luck. >Pascel's Wager that only you seem to understand . . . You, along with everything else, has no knowledge of what Pascal's Wager is. Not my statement but yours. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> The truth of God comes from God. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I talk to him every day. And he responds. Before or after you take your meds and have a stroll in the gardens ? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> >> The truth of God comes from God. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Before or after you take your meds and have a stroll in the gardens ? Each and every day. You should try God for a change - you can only lose without him. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > Each and every day. You should try God for a change - you can only lose > without > him. Have you ever considered the Great Green Arkleseizure? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Each and every day. You should try God for a change - you can only lose >> without >> him. > >Have you ever considered the Great Green Arkleseizure? No, there is no such thing. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Each and every day. You should try God for a change - you can only lose >>> without [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No, there is no such thing. What is your data base for believing such a thing? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Have you ever considered the Great Green Arkleseizure? >> No, there is no such thing. >What is your data base for believing such a thing? No proof, no evidence not even a smidgen. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Have you ever considered the Great Green Arkleseizure? >>> No, there is no such thing. >>What is your data base for believing such a thing? > > No proof, no evidence not even a smidgen. Isn't the existance of the "Big Bang" proof of the "Great Sneeze?" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>Have you ever considered the Great Green Arkleseizure? >>>> No, there is no such thing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Isn't the existance of the "Big Bang" proof of the "Great Sneeze?" No. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:24:10 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No. What is your "data base" for saying the above? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:24:10 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >What is your "data base" for saying the above? Your demonstrated ignorance reflected above. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:14:55 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Your demonstrated ignorance reflected above. So we can assume that you have no "data base" as to the nonexistance of the Great Green Arkleseizure, right? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:14:55 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >So we can assume that you have no "data base" as to the nonexistance of the >Great Green Arkleseizure, right? I have no data for a gga, real or otherwise, but I have evidence galore for God's existence. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:01:53 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > for > God's existence. I will bet that it is the exact same evidence for the existance of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Show us a difference! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I have no data for a gga, real or otherwise, but I have evidence galore >> for God's existence. >I will bet that it is the exact same evidence for the existance of the Great >Green Arkleseizure. Show us a difference! You first. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I have no data for a gga, real or otherwise, but I have evidence galore >>> for God's existence. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You first. Well the obvious difference is that the Great Green Arkleseizure was revealed by the late great Douglas N. Adams. Someone who existed within living memory; a real person whom you can find many people who knew personally, not some mythical Bronze Age character. . . . There are even pictures and videos. I will bet he even autographed his books if asked. YOUR TURN . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> I have no data for a gga, real or otherwise, but I have evidence galore >>>> for God's existence. >>>I will bet that it is the exact same evidence for the existance of the >>>Great >>>Green Arkleseizure. Show us a difference! >> You first. >Well the obvious difference is that the Great Green Arkleseizure was >revealed by the late great Douglas N. Adams. Someone who existed within >living memory; a real person whom you can find many people who knew >personally, not some mythical Bronze Age character. . . . There are even >pictures and videos. I will bet he even autographed his books if asked. Never heard of him, dnadams. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> I have no data for a gga, real or otherwise, but I have evidence >>>>> galore [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Never heard of him, dnadams. Well he was as real as real can be verses mere myth and legend. http://www.douglasadams.se/biography/ Again, YOUR TURN! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> I have no data for a gga, real or otherwise, but I have evidence >>>>>> galore [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Again, YOUR TURN! Nope, it's still your first turn. You haven't offered any evidence yet. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:14:32 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >>Again, YOUR TURN! > Nope, it's still your first turn. You haven't offered any evidence yet. LOL! A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? I can't wait to watch your next dance! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** <snip> > LOL! > > A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? > > I can't wait to watch your next dance! A few months ago the local paper had photos of a prayer vigil for somebody outside a local hospital. Apparently there werer either no True Christians there or they just pretended to like the person they were praying for. The person died as was expected. > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >pretended to like the person they were praying for. The person died as was >expected. Their reward is for life after life. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:47:53 GMT, "Mike Painter" > <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Their reward is for life after life. "Data base?" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Their reward is for life after life. >"Data base?" Yep. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** Snipped lines: >>> A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? >>> >>> I can't wait to watch your next dance! >>> Their reward is for life after life. >>"Data base?" > Yep. Well, spit it out - evadier! What is your "data base" for your superstition? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The umbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >Snipped lines: >>>> A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Well, spit it out - evadier! What is your "data base" for your >superstition? God spoke. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>Snipped lines: >>>>> A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > God spoke. The Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo JUmbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Snipped lines: >>>>>> A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >The Great Green Arkleseizure sneezed. John 13:34 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society 34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Snipped lines: >>>>>>> A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > must > love one another. Book Three, Chapter 10, Paragraph 24 "I was in the cybercubicle behind Zaphod," said Ford; "it was very destracting. Which isn't to say that I didn't learn some pretty stunning things." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > John 13:34 (New International Version) > New International Version (NIV) > Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society > 34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must > love one another. That shoots duke straight to hell. He is so full of hate. >> John 13:34 (New International Version) >> New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >That shoots duke straight to hell. He is so full of hate. Ok, so you prove the following, either: 1. God is not in your heart, or: 2. You have no idea what Holy Tradition says. I vote that you are void of both. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> John 13:34 (New International Version) >>> New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I vote that you are void of both. Well sure, it is utter nonsense. Why should I care? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>> New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Well sure, it is utter nonsense. Why should I care? There you go - living out your superstitions just like I told you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>> New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > There you go - living out your superstitions just like I told you. Try to turn the argument around again. It did not work this time. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo JUmbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>Pope Paul VI >>***** Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that superstitions are not believing in something that doesn't exist. In reality HE is the one with the superstitions. Poor guy is probably in a home for the mentally unfit. >>>>>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > one with the superstitions. Poor guy is probably in a home for the > mentally unfit. In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. He does not have to defend his position. He has not shown himself to be capable of understanding that it is the duty of someone who claims the existence of something to show evidence for that existence. He thinks that someone who doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting the non-existence of something. This is a difficult thing to do. >> Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that superstitions >> are not believing in something that doesn't exist. In reality HE is the >> one with the superstitions. Poor guy is probably in a home for the >> mentally unfit. >In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his >position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. But danny boy, that's exactly your problem. You have no data base to with which to discuss anything, and your own superstitions keep you from an open mind to even open a discussion. Unless you can begin to show some data base, there's no point in a dialogue, and jimmy doesn't appear to have any more on the ball than you do. He does not have to >defend his position. He has not shown himself to be capable of >understanding that it is the duty of someone who claims the existence of >something to show evidence for that existence. He thinks that someone who >doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting the >non-existence of something. This is a difficult thing to do. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that superstitions >>> are not believing in something that doesn't exist. In reality HE is the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his >>position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. The rest of the snipped post . . . He does not have to defend his position. He has not shown himself to be capable of understanding that it is the duty of someone who claims the existence of something to show evidence for that existence. He thinks that someone who doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting the non-existence of something. This is a difficult thing to do. > But danny boy, that's exactly your problem. You have no data base to with > which [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than > you do. As usual you have missed the whole point. I don't believe in your superstitious deities - you do. It is not incumbent upon me to provide a "data base" for that disbelief beyond my expression that there is not evidence to support such beliefs. You have fallen for the superstition and still believe it stating that deities do exist. It is therefore incumbent that you provide a "data base" to support your beliefs or you risk not being taken seriously. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that superstitions >>>>are not believing in something that doesn't exist. In reality HE is the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>Pope Paul VI >>***** You are right Dan, he doesn't have a clue. Just think, he actually makes sense to himself. What a fool. >>>>> Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that >>>>> superstitions [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > You are right Dan, he doesn't have a clue. Just think, he actually makes > sense to himself. What a fool. Please, please, pay no attention to Duke. The regular people in the Catholic newsgroup know about him and just try to ignore him. He is only out to give our faith a bad image. I assure you that he is alone and out of control. >>>>>> Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that >>>>>> superstitions [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > out to give our faith a bad image. I assure you that he is alone and out > of control. Well, he's doing a good job at it. >>>> duke, American-American >>>> ***** [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > out to give our faith a bad image. I assure you that he is alone and out > of control. He is a product of his upbringing. I have been there and had the very good luck to break away. Life is good without superstition. > Please, please, pay no attention to Duke. The regular people in the > Catholic newsgroup know about him and just try to ignore him. He is only > out to give our faith a bad image. I assure you that he is alone and out > of control. It's hard not to pay attention to the blabbering idiot. He is so easy to laugh at. >> Please, please, pay no attention to Duke. The regular people in the >> Catholic newsgroup know about him and just try to ignore him. He is only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's hard not to pay attention to the blabbering idiot. He is so easy to >laugh at. But, but, but cap, it's the atheists that are laughing, and they simple too empty-headed to understand. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > > Please, please, pay no attention to Duke. The regular people in the > > Catholic newsgroup know about him and just try to ignore him. He is only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's hard not to pay attention to the blabbering idiot. He is so easy to > laugh at. He is Catholic kneel down comedy, their version of stand-up >> > Please, please, pay no attention to Duke. The regular people in the >> > Catholic newsgroup know about him and just try to ignore him. He is only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >He is Catholic kneel down comedy, their version of stand-up And the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Please, please, pay no attention to Duke. The regular people in the >>>>Catholic newsgroup know about him and just try to ignore him. He is only [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ. No, it was dreamed up by "holy rollers" like duke. >>>In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his >>>position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. >He does not have to >defend his position. He has not shown himself to be capable of >understanding that it is the duty of someone who claims the existence of >something to show evidence for that existence. Shoot, what's shameful is that you clowns don't see the answer when presented to you. From the creation of the universe to a profession of unabated belief by up to 2.2 billion people alive today re the risen Lord is all the information you need. If you can't comprehend it, blame your family for keeping you so uneducated. > He thinks that someone who >doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting the >non-existence of something. This is a difficult thing to do. You've now been formerly advised. >As usual you have missed the whole point. I don't believe in your >superstitious deities - you do. And I don't believe in your superstitions - you do. I have evidence for my beliefs. You have no support for yours. If you do, present it here. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his >>>>position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 2.2 billion people alive today re the risen Lord is all the information you > need. How many millions of people believed in and followed Hitler? Duke is a child molesting right wing racial and religious bigot. >>>>In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his >>>>position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > presented to > you. Bananas. > From the creation of the universe to a profession of unabated belief by up > to > 2.2 billion people alive today re the risen Lord is all the information > you > need. Remember that belief of a lot of people does not offer any proof ofthe validity of that belief. I give you the geocentric universe as a fine example. > If you can't comprehend it, blame your family for keeping you so > uneducated. That is where you picked up your superstitions - yor family. It really not your fault. >> He thinks that someone who >>doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting the >>non-existence of something. This is a difficult thing to do. > > You've now been formerly advised. LOL! HOW? >>As usual you have missed the whole point. I don't believe in your >>superstitious deities - you do. > > And I don't believe in your superstitions - you do. I have evidence for > my > beliefs. You have no support for yours. If you do, present it here. I don't have to offer evidence for my non-belief. You are the believer. You need to offer evidence. So you say you have evidence. When asked you become evasive and try real hard to turn the argument around so you can avoid confronting your superstitions. I don't blame you, you have been brainwashed since early childhood. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>In his mind, his position is the default position. If you don't buy his >>>>>position, it is up to you to show your reasons why. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Bananas. And you get laughed at every time you bring it up, because you have idea where it comes from. >> From the creation of the universe to a profession of unabated belief by up >> to >> 2.2 billion people alive today re the risen Lord is all the information >> you >> need. >Remember that belief of a lot of people does not offer any proof ofthe >validity of that belief. I give you the geocentric universe as a fine >example. Nobody's talking proof. The evidence is so strong for the validity of the Christ story that, after 2000 years, the story has continued unabated as it would have died out if not solid evidence of truth. >>> He thinks that someone who >>>doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting the >>>non-existence of something. This is a difficult thing to do. >> You've now been formerly advised. >LOL! HOW? If you can't remember once, you won't remember again. >>>As usual you have missed the whole point. I don't believe in your >>>superstitious deities - you do. >> And I don't believe in your superstitions - you do. I have evidence for >> my >> beliefs. You have no support for yours. If you do, present it here. >I don't have to offer evidence for my non-belief. It's called your superstition. > You are the believer. You are the believer in a superstition. >You need to offer evidence. So you say you have evidence. When asked you >become evasive and try real hard to turn the argument around so you can >avoid confronting your superstitions. I don't blame you, you have been >brainwashed since early childhood. There you go - you've been brainwashed since childhood. It's your job to support your superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:38:39 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > where > it comes from. You are doing the laughing, nobody else. >>> From the creation of the universe to a profession of unabated belief by >>> up [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it > would have died out if not solid evidence of truth. LOL! What a weird standard of proof. How many years did Egyptian religion endure and what makes you think your religion will endure longer. Hell the Australian Aborigines have been practicing the same religion for at least 45,000 years. How "true" do you want? >>>> He thinks that someone who >>>>doubts the existence of something needs to offer evidence supporting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If you can't remember once, you won't remember again. PUNT! >>>>As usual you have missed the whole point. I don't believe in your >>>>superstitious deities - you do. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It's called your superstition. LOL! explain? >> You are the believer. > > You are the believer in a superstition. Oh a new tact,huh? You gave up on "data base" so now you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of the same stupid behavior you demonstrate. >>You need to offer evidence. So you say you have evidence. When asked you >>become evasive and try real hard to turn the argument around so you can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There you go - you've been brainwashed since childhood. It's your job to > support your superstition. \ Turn it around, buddy, turn it around. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> Shoot, what's shameful is that you clowns don't see the answer when >>>> presented to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> And you get laughed at every time you bring it up, because you have idea >> where it comes from. >You are doing the laughing, nobody else. Lot's of people know about the banana. >> Nobody's talking proof. The evidence is so strong for the validity of the >> Christ story that, after 2000 years, the story has continued unabated as >> it would have died out if not solid evidence of truth. >LOL! What a weird standard of proof. Swoosh - right over your head. But I have never thought you able to comprehend anyway. >> If you can't remember once, you won't remember again. >PUNT! Factoid. >>>I don't have to offer evidence for my non-belief. >> It's called your superstition. >LOL! explain? If you haven't figured it out by now, Danny, you never will. >>> You are the believer. >> You are the believer in a superstition. >Oh a new tact,huh? You gave up on "data base" so now you accuse everyone >who disagrees with you of the same stupid behavior you demonstrate. You live in superstition. >>>You need to offer evidence. So you say you have evidence. When asked you >>>become evasive and try real hard to turn the argument around so you can >>>avoid confronting your superstitions. I don't blame you, you have been >>>brainwashed since early childhood. >> There you go - you've been brainwashed since childhood. It's your job to >> support your superstition. >Turn it around, buddy, turn it around. . . . No, Danny. You believe the fable that God is a myth. It's your superstition, so support it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> Shoot, what's shameful is that you clowns don't see the answer when >>>>> presented to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lot's of people know about the banana. I love them! Great snack! >>> Nobody's talking proof. The evidence is so strong for the validity of >>> the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But I have never thought you able to comprehend anyway. Another "over your head" dodge. . . . >>> If you can't remember once, you won't remember again. >>PUNT! > > Factoid. Nothing here. >>>>I don't have to offer evidence for my non-belief. >>> It's called your superstition. >>LOL! explain? > > If you haven't figured it out by now, Danny, you never will. Variation on the "over your head" dodge. >>>> You are the believer. >>> You are the believer in a superstition. >>Oh a new tact,huh? You gave up on "data base" so now you accuse everyone >>who disagrees with you of the same stupid behavior you demonstrate. > > You live in superstition. LOL! It didn't work this time either. >>>>You need to offer evidence. So you say you have evidence. When asked >>>>you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > superstition, > so support it. I don't believe the deity myths are true because there is a lack of evidence to support them. If you believe in them, it is incumbent upon you to provide evidence to support your belief. It is not is not my responsibility to provide evidence against their existance. You can't prove a negative. Most educated people can easily understand this concept. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> You live in superstition. >LOL! It didn't work this time either. It's your problem. >> No, Danny. You believe the fable that God is a myth. It's your >> superstition, >> so support it. >I don't believe the deity myths are true because there is a lack of evidence >to support them. So you believe in superstition. That's what I said. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> You live in superstition. >>LOL! It didn't work this time either. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So you believe in superstition. That's what I said. LOL, you do like your new tact of trying to accuse those who question your superstition of superstition, don't you? What happened to the "data base" chant? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** <snip> >> So you believe in superstition. That's what I said. > > LOL, you do like your new tact of trying to accuse those who question > your superstition of superstition, don't you? What happened to the > "data base" chant? Think of two year olds who leanr new words or of drunks. Earl has exhibited this behavior as long as I watched him. >>>> You live in superstition. >>>LOL! It didn't work this time either. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >superstition of superstition, don't you? What happened to the "data base" >chant? Your empty data base hasn't gone anywhere as best I can tell. That's why it's so easy for you to push superstition as your belief system. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:29:55 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > it's > so easy for you to push superstition as your belief system. Great, you have managed to combine your "data base" and "superstition" chants! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Try to turn the argument around again. It did not work this time. >Dan, this duke guy is really quite stupid. He thinks that superstitions >are not believing in something that doesn't exist. In reality HE is the >one with the superstitions. Poor guy is probably in a home for the >mentally unfit. Awww, is widdle jimmy boy confused. Yes, there are stupid people in the world, and dan is one of them. And watching you try to console him is giving me even more enjoyment. We know danny is too ignorant of God to avoid his, danny's, superstitions. And I see no reason you are any better. But if you can show me otherwise, I can consider having a conversation with you whereas I think danny boy is over the hill and beyond help. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>> John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>> New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Try to turn the argument around again. It did not work this time. Your superstitions are keeping you from the truth, dl. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>>> New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Your superstitions are keeping you from the truth, dl. And I suppose the "truth" is that your superstitions are real? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I vote that you are void of both. You are insane. You talk in circles and don't practice what you preach. >>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >You are insane. You talk in circles and don't practice what you preach. That knock at your front door are the guys in white coats looking for you, xx, you atheist wannabe. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > That knock at your front door are the guys in white coats looking for you, xx, > you atheist wannabe. No knocking at my door, you are hearing things again. >>>>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>>> >>>>I vote that you are void of both. >>>You are insane. You talk in circles and don't practice what you preach. >> That knock at your front door are the guys in white coats looking for you, xx, >> you atheist wannabe. >No knocking at my door, you are hearing things again. I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so ........... well, you understand. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>John 13:34 (New International Version) >>>>>>>New International Version (NIV) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so > ........... well, you understand. As usual....you heard wrong. >> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >> ........... well, you understand. >As usual....you heard wrong. You can't hide from your demonstrated truth. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>> ........... well, you understand. >>As usual....you heard wrong. > >You can't hide from your demonstrated truth. Whenever you get around to offering such a thing, we will happily respond. >>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>>> ........... well, you understand. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Whenever you get around to offering such a thing, we will happily >respond. I already did that, and you didn't. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>>>> ........... well, you understand. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I already did that, and you didn't. You know you did not. You claimed a number of nonsensical things that are not valid as evidence and your error was pointed out to you. You have never tried to walk through this to discover your error for yourself, you merely repeat your erroneous claims. I have been asking for valid ones, you have offered nothing at all. >>>>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>>>>> ........... well, you understand. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >You know you did not. You claimed a number of nonsensical things that >are not valid as evidence and your error was pointed out to you. Evidence is in the eyes of the beholder. Take your blinders off, free. > You >have never tried to walk through this to discover your error for >yourself, you merely repeat your erroneous claims. I have been asking >for valid ones, you have offered nothing at all. I haven't made an error, free. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>>>>>> ........... well, you understand. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Evidence is in the eyes of the beholder. Take your blinders off, free. As long as you choose to lie about evidence, there's nothing you will do to turn away from the dishonest path you follow. >> You >>have never tried to walk through this to discover your error for >>yourself, you merely repeat your erroneous claims. I have been asking >>for valid ones, you have offered nothing at all. > >I haven't made an error, free. You worship your ignorance and lies. Signature"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis >>>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>>>> ........... well, you understand. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I already did that, and you didn't. Same old, same old. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo JUmbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, so >>>>>> ........... well, you understand. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Same old, same old. . . . Yes, your superstition is that alright. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> I hear that you can't discuss anything much with any intelligence, >>>>>>> so [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yes, your superstition is that alright. LOL! Thank you! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:14:32 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> >>>Again, YOUR TURN! >> Nope, it's still your first turn. You haven't offered any evidence yet. >LOL! >A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? Never mind - you first. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:14:32 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** Na na na na na I'm not going to prove anything, because I can't. You go first, please, please, please. I have nothing to say, I just like to argue, because I am a prick. I know that there is no possible way to prove that something non existent really does exist. What did I just say? Never mind, I just don't know what I'm talking about. Boo-hoo...where is my blanket. Mommie!!!!! duke, American-Psycho ***** "Duke is the most perfect form of of an a.s." Ron Paul VI ***** >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:06:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Ron Paul VI > ***** You sure are a fickle son of a bitch. > Na na na na na I'm not going to prove anything, because I can't. You go > first, please, please, please. I have nothing to say, I just like to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Ron Paul VI > ***** I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >> Na na na na na I'm not going to prove anything, because I can't. You go >> first, please, please, please. I have nothing to say, I just like to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. That's because everything I say is well over your head. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Na na na na na I'm not going to prove anything, because I can't. You go >>> first, please, please, please. I have nothing to say, I just like to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That's because everything I say is well over your head. Maybe you are incapable of making it understandable. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >> That's because everything I say is well over your head. >Maybe you are incapable of making it understandable. Nope, just you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. >>Maybe you are incapable of making it understandable. > > Nope, just you. OK, how about this, you are incapable of making it understandable to me - and just about anybody else who does not already buy into your superstition? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > me - and just about anybody else who does not already buy into your > superstition? Earl has always amde such statements and yet on teh few occasions he does do more than say that he has explained it, the explanation turns out to be stupidly wrong. Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any reasonable person to understand it? > Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any > reasonable person to understand it? It is an ad hoc rationalization. >>>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> me - and just about anybody else who does not already buy into your >> superstition? >Earl has always amde such statements and yet on teh few occasions he does do >more than say that he has explained it, the explanation turns out to be >stupidly wrong. Remember, mikey, you are the one that made the following two statements: 1. There could never have been a biblical flood because of the partial pressure of air. That was a number of years ago that you stated such, and you still haven't been able to explain it. 2. The heart is NOT controlled by tiny electrical currents enabled by the salinity of the body fluids. Now you're the one that professes to be an ambulance emt, and I'm the one that had to send you the technical information backing up my words. You silence remains deafening on this one. >Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any reasonable >person to understand it? As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in 3 persons - 1=1+1+1. The Father is not the Son or Holy Spirit, the Son is not the Holy Spirit or the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. That's it in a nutshell, mikey. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:24:43 GMT, "Mike Painter" > <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Son.> > That's it in a nutshell, mikey. Ridiculous ad hoc rationalization. And an unnecessary one at that. The Muslums dumped that crap right away. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:24:43 GMT, "Mike Painter" >> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ridiculous ad hoc rationalization. And an unnecessary one at that. > The Muslums dumped that crap right away. I was hoing Earl would do this again. he is a little more careful this time but still talks about understanding and implies that it can be done through reason. "If any one say that in Divine Revelation there are contained no mysteries properly so called (vera et proprie dicta mysteria), but that through reason rightly developed (per rationem rite excultam) all the dogmas of faith can be understood and demonstrated from natural principles: let him be anathema" (Sess. III, Canons, 4. De fide et Ratione, The RCC says it can't be and kicks you out of the club if you make such claims. >>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:24:43 GMT, "Mike Painter" >>> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > I was hoing Earl would do this again. >he is a little more careful this time but still talks about understanding >and implies that it can be done through reason. Of course I'd do it again - watch: 1+1+1=1. Those of you that aren't Christians simply don't understand. And you expect others to respond to your failure to comprehend. Don't be such a fool, fool. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:24:43 GMT, "Mike Painter" >>>> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Christians simply don't understand. And you expect others to respond to your >failure to comprehend. Don't be such a fool, fool. It's not a failure of our comprehension. It's a failure on your part. >>>>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:24:43 GMT, "Mike Painter" >>>>> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >It's not a failure of our comprehension. It's a failure on your part. Yeah, sure, little free. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:39:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" > <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > your > failure to comprehend. Don't be such a fool, fool. 1+1+1=1 Fuzzy math to the Nth degree. Ever consider there might be a fourth. You know something large and green with a cold? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:39:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" >> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >1+1+1=1 Fuzzy math to the Nth degree. Ever consider there might be a >fourth. It's math given by God almighty. 1+1+1=1 is truth beyond question. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:39:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" >>> <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > It's math given by God almighty. 1+1+1=1 is truth beyond question. Yes by fiat. . . . What could be more sure? 1+1+1+1= Sneez! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in >> 3 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Son.> >> That's it in a nutshell, mikey. >Ridiculous ad hoc rationalization. And an unnecessary one at that. The >Muslums dumped that crap right away. I no longer see you as capable of understanding. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in >>>3 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I no longer see you as capable of understanding. Good!!! Now go away !!!!!!! >>>>As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in >>>>3 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Good!!! Now go away !!!!!!! No, YOU go away. <ggg> duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** Duckgumbo ia a bayou bushwacker and another kind ow whacker. >Duckgumbo ia a bayou bushwacker and another kind ow whacker. duh - say what? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in > >> 3 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I no longer see you as capable of understanding. fourth century political skulldugery the church decided its way to political power was to always have the answer and for its answer is to always be correct anyone who disagreed was killed hence arius denounced as a heretic and thousands murdered in the eastern empire just because doofus made an arbitrary decision and the church is to chickenshit to admit it might be wrong arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins sacramento - political pigsty of the western world or a babys arm holding an apple >> >> As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in >> >> 3 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >just because doofus made an arbitrary decision >and the church is to chickenshit to admit it might be wrong My adult ed class composed a creed one night. We put a lot of things on paper and had to narrow it down by voting. I don't remember if the doctrine of trinity made the cut (LOL) but it was a great exercise. Now that I have slogged through early church history I know that there were armies involved in previous ones. If the doctrine of the Trinity were so easy and something that every Christian understood, there would be no need for catechism/confirmation teaching on this, and no need for churches with multiple clergy to assign the Trinity Sunday sermon to the low person on the totem pole. Nor would there be nearly the amount of flat out heresy preached on Trinity Sunday. (I have to say that I was much relieved when last year's preacher announced that he was not preaching on the Trinity, but exploring the Gospel of the day.) We could all just sing St. Patrick's Breastplate ("the three in one, and one in three") and be much better off in my opinion. But, yes, Duke is Doing It Wrong. He comes off like Fr. Whiskey or Sr. Mary Cranky getting a bit testy with the cut-ups of the teens in the confirmation class and opting for the authoritatian smackdown over teaching. Charlotte -- >But, yes, Duke is Doing It Wrong. He comes off like Fr. Whiskey or Sr. >Mary Cranky getting a bit testy with the cut-ups of the teens in the >confirmation class and opting for the authoritatian smackdown over >teaching. Sorry Charlotte, but you are wrong. The reason is not evident to you - I've been arguing these points on these very news groups for 10 years now. There are the mentally challenged youth that are incapable of discussing anything. The attillas, fischers, klungs, carnovas, syds, seebrees, etc are all too physically and/or mentally/psychologically immature to get past one simple thought, be it "lying", or "butt f_ucking priests", or "prove/prove/prove God exists", etc that after a while one can only throw up his hands and see if you can't get them to move along. I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I get back is "prove a God exists" over and over and over with no more thought than that. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I get > back is > "prove a God exists" over and over and over with no more thought than > that. I don't doubt that you get tired of totally failing to justify your personal superstition. It must be very frustrating being completly unable to back up your most cherished beliefs with anything more than "Ya have' ta belieeeeeeve, be fo ya can belieeeeeeev!" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I get >> back is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I don't doubt that you get tired of totally failing to justify your personal >superstition. You don't justify yours. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I get >>> back is >>> "prove a God exists" over and over and over with no more thought than >>> that. I don't doubt that you get tired of totally failing to justify your personal superstition. It must be very frustrating being completly unable to back up your most cherished beliefs with anything more than "Ya have' ta belieeeeeeve, be fo ya can belieeeeeeev!" > You don't justify yours. You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >I don't doubt that you get tired of totally failing to justify your personal >superstition. It must be very frustrating being completly unable to back up >your most cherished beliefs with anything more than "Ya have' ta >belieeeeeeve, be fo ya can belieeeeeeev!" >> You don't justify yours. >You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! Just pointing out your superstition to you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>I don't doubt that you get tired of totally failing to justify your >>personal [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just pointing out your superstition to you. LOL! So you keep saying, but when asked for details, you weasel around saying that you already di it, etc, etc. You may well be engaging in a thought process called "projection." I will give you two posts to accuse me of projection. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> You don't justify yours. >>>You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! >> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >LOL! Haahaahaahaahaahaa. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> You don't justify yours. >>>>You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! >>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. > >>LOL! That is a lot of snipping! LOL! So you keep saying, but when asked for details, you weasel around saying that you already did it, etc, etc. You may well be engaging in a thought process called "projection." I will give you two posts to accuse me of projection. > Haahaahaahaahaahaa. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> You don't justify yours. >>>>>You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! >>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>LOL! >That is a lot of snipping! >LOL! When it's bullsh_t, cut it out. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> You don't justify yours. >>>>>>You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! >>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>LOL! >>That is a lot of snipping! >>LOL! LOL! So you keep saying, but when asked for details, you weasel around saying that you already did it, etc, etc. You may well be engaging in a thought process called "projection." I will give you two posts to accuse me of projection. > When it's bullsh_t, cut it out. When you don't like seeing it, you cut it out! Well you have endured two posts without accusing me of projection. Congratulations! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>That is a lot of snipping! >>>LOL! >LOL! >So you keep saying, but when asked for details, you weasel around saying >that you already did it, etc, etc. That's right, listerman, I did. And I have grown tired of repeating it over and over when it goes in one of your ears and out the other, and touches nothing in between. >You may well be engaging in a thought process called "projection." Actually, I'm engaging in addressing the wooden dummy. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>That is a lot of snipping! >>>>LOL! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > nothing in > between. The usual . . . . >>You may well be engaging in a thought process called "projection." > > Actually, I'm engaging in addressing the wooden dummy. Everybody needs a hobby, ventriloquism is harmless. What does your puppet's heart say to you? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MumboJumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > >>>> You don't justify yours. > >>>You just keep trying to turn that around, old boy, keep trying! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Haahaahaahaahaahaa. • A nervous laugh? SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:16:02 -0400, "Dan Listermann" ><dan@listermann.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > A nervous laugh? Ask listerman. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >I don't doubt that you get tired of totally failing to justify your personal > >superstition. It must be very frustrating being completly unable to back up [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just pointing out your superstition to you. • Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" > <dan@listermann.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > . Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. There are others? > >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" > > <dan@listermann.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > There are others? ** Another is shame and guilt -- especially sexual. "The sex drive itself gave organized religion an opportunity to amass what was indisputably the greatest power ever lodged in human hands." -- Rabbi Abraham L. Feinberg - 1945-1986 SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" ><dan@listermann.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. Much, much more so for atheism. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Much, much more so for atheism. Wrong again duke. Lack of belief is the opposite of superstition. >>>>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wrong again duke. Lack of belief is the opposite of superstition. It might be more accurate to say that the lack of belief cannot be construed as superstition - almost by definition! Reality might be the opposite to superstition. >>>>>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > as superstition - almost by definition! Reality might be the opposite to > superstition. And reality would be the complete opposite of duke's fantasies! The lack of duke would make the world a much better place. > >>>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Wrong again duke. Lack of belief is the opposite of superstition. • Indeed SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >><dan@listermann.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Much, much more so for atheism. I would ask you how, but you have told us so many times before . . . . NOT! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. >> Much, much more so for atheism. >I would ask you how, but you have told us so many times before . . . . NOT! Then allow me to say it again. All evidence to be found, again, ALL of it, demands the existence of God almighty. There is no evidence anywhere, in any tree, on any mountain, in any sea,under any rock, that one can find evidence that God doesn't exist. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > evidence > that God doesn't exist. Sad. >>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sad. He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the default position. It is the burden of anyone trying to debate this position to provide proof. He needs only to state what he believes - nothing more. >>>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > position to provide proof. He needs only to state what he believes - > nothing more. Indeed. I'm used to the (arguably logically sound) argument that "absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence" but this whole "lack of evidence of absence constitutes evidence of lack of absence" argument frankly takes my breath away. And that's even just saying the phrase. By this logic the next big holy war is likely to be between the Invisible Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spaghetti Monster (praise be them both) acolytes. >>> Sad. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of absence" argument frankly takes my breath away. And that's even > just saying the phrase. Earl is a special case. > By this logic the next big holy war is likely to be between the > Invisible Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spaghetti Monster (praise be > them both) acolytes. I feel great sorrow for you. Well "before" the FSM, there was the IPU. Both are simply memories implanted in your mind by Maeve The Cat, who created the entire universe Last Thursday. When the world ends tomorrow you will find out the truth of this. (Church of Last Thursday and the IPU both developed from "serious" concepts, I'm not sure about the birth of the FSM.) >> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the >> default position. It is the burden of anyone trying to debate this >> position to provide proof. He needs only to state what he believes - >> nothing more. >Indeed. I'm used to the (arguably logically sound) argument that "absence of >evidence does not constitute evidence of absence" but this whole "lack of >evidence of absence constitutes evidence of lack of absence" argument >frankly takes my breath away. And that's even just saying the phrase. >By this logic the next big holy war is likely to be between the Invisible >Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spaghetti Monster (praise be them both) >acolytes. I think that would be a good play time endeavor for you and listerman. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I think that would be a good play time endeavor for you and listerman. Sorry, I'm not a superstitious cretin who believes a bronze-age mythology. The point - which you won't understand - is that there is precisely the same lack of absence of evidence for IPU/FSM as for your Judeo-Christian imaginary friend. Let me know if you don't understand this Duke, and I'll take the time to spell it out in smaller words. >He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the >default position. It is the burden of anyone trying to debate this position >to provide proof. He needs only to state what he believes - nothing more. I believe. The evidence is overwhelming. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the >> default position. It is the burden of anyone trying to debate this position >> to provide proof. He needs only to state what he believes - nothing more. > > I believe. The evidence is overwhelming. And it's on you to show that the evidence points to what you believe and NOT anything else. You say "All evidence" demands God's existence and I want to know why you think that. >>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You say "All evidence" demands God's existence and I want to know why you > think that. He won't do that. >>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >And it's on you to show that the evidence points to what you believe and >NOT anything else. I see the evidence. It's everywhere. Don't you see it? Are you even looking? >You say "All evidence" demands God's existence and I want to know why >you think that. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I see the evidence. It's everywhere. Don't you see it? Are you even > looking? And yet, getting examples out of your is like pulling teeth. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And yet, getting examples out of your is like pulling teeth. I can answer this for him: The evidence is as follows: Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on Earth is a creation of God, so everything on Earth is evidence of God. I do not know, however, what led him to believe that and he's being very squirrelly about that subject. He has not answered how he knows that that is evidence for God and it CANNOT be anything else. >>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > squirrelly about that subject. He has not answered how he knows that that > is evidence for God and it CANNOT be any<BITCHSLAP> He is not required to do any such thing. You, on the other hand, are required to show that you understand the difference between belief and knowledge, and the relationship between truth and provability. The fact that you assert he has not shown what you require him to show is sufficient proof to support the assertion that you neither know the difference between belief and knowledge nor understand the relationship between truth and provability, therefore you lack the necessary mental equipment to deal with the philosophical outcomes of his assertions. In short, the burden is on you to show that you have the brains and foresight to deal with the philosophical outcomes, however the evidence in your very own statements clearly says that you do not. You should give up while you're behind. HTH Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > required to show that you understand the difference between belief and > knowledge, and the relationship between truth and provability. No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism would have a problem with duke. >>>>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. Yes, correct. > It's not just mere belief with him. Also correct. > If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism would have a problem with > duke. You miss the point entirely, which is not an unexpected occurence from an alt.atheism atheist. He has asserted knowledge therefore there are logical, fully supportable outcomes for him but only insurmountable limitations, ridicule and pillory for you. If you were aware of the implications of his assertions then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have recognised that he wins and you lose. As it is, you did no such thing, and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even after getting a warning about where you were treading, which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow show how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > outcomes for him but only insurmountable limitations, ridicule and pillory > for you. Incorrect. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is unwilling to support any of his assertions. > If you were aware of the implications of his assertions What implications? > then you > would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have recognised that > he wins and you lose. ...win? ...lose? Huh? This isn't a contest. This is a conversation. And it's dreadfully one-sided. > As it is, you did no such thing, Do you know the history duke has with alt.atheism? It is a long and storied past. > and still you persist > in trying to defend the indefensible, even after getting a warning about > where you were treading, ....warning?! > which is your stupid and illogical notion that he > needs to somehow show how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly > unknowable. Actually, no. If duke can fully support his position, I will leave him alone. As of now, all he has it bravado. > He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? Err, yes. Why don't you go ahead and try? First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, though. >>>>>>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Incorre<BITCHSLAP> Don't bet your worthless life on it. > ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is > unwilling to support any of his assertions. For the benefit of the terminally dense, that would be you, he claims knowledge therefore there is no logical basis for you to demand he supports his knowledge because you cannot prove his knowledge to be false, you whacking great flying numpty. That one simple idea completely escapes you. All that you are logically left with is the inference that he believes some thing. And all the while he asserts it as knowledge, you cannot infer anything else. >> If you were aware of the implications of his assertions > > What implications? Un-f.cking-believable. Are you trying to tell me that you are so smart and so clever that you got yourself into a discussion with him to prove him wrong or incorrect, all the while you being totally witless to the truth that you cannot prove him wrong? >> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have >> recognised that he wins and you lose. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Huh? This isn't a contest. This is a conversation. It is a contest. It is your contest to prove that the theist is witless while avoiding the truth that it is you who is witless. > And it's dreadfully one-sided. It was dreadfully one sided in your favour until I waded in. Stiff sh.t for you. >> As it is, you did no such thing, > > Do you know the history duke has with alt.atheism? It is a long and > storied past. In one word or less, state why duke's history with alt.atheism automatically invalidates the logic that underpins his claim to knowledge. >> and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even after >> getting a warning about where you were treading, > > ....warning?! Yes. I was warning you. You seemed to have missed it. I was warning you that I was about to make a fool of you. >> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow show >> how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. > > Actually, no. If duke can fully support his position, I will leave him > alone. As of now, all he has it bravado. He does not need to support his assertion, you whaking great sucking-hole in the fabric of space-time. He has asserted knowledge therefore you cannot prove him wrong. Do you understand? >> He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? > > Err, yes. Why don't you go ahead and try? Try is the operative word. Given your expansive grasp of illogic I dare say it will be easier to push diarrhoea uphill with a sharp stick. > First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, though. Will I now? I will deal with the challenges I set for myself in any manner I see fit, your illogical and idiotic bleats nothwithstanding. Now, this is how I will deal with the challenge... I will paraphrase and assert his claim as my own and you can argue with me instead of with him. Here is the claim: I know that God exists, with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established. I will take the theist position. That leaves you with the atheist postion. You forfeit on your very first logical error, which means I will demand that you apologise to him by way of you telling him that you mistakenly labelled him a fuckwit because it was actually you who was the real fuckwit all along. I strongly recommend that you skulk off and don't take the challenge up. I sincerely doubt your capacity to attempt to knock the claim down without falling into a logical fallacy of hypostatisation in your very first post. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Don't bet your worthless life on it. I don't particularly believe my life to be worthless. I do thank you for your opinion of my life. I'm sure you know all about it. >> ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is >> unwilling to support any of his assertions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > his knowledge because you cannot prove his knowledge to be false, you > whacking great flying numpty. I can't prove it true, either. He keeps tap-dancing and pussyfooting around while insulting atheists six ways to Sunday. > That one simple idea completely escapes you. All that you are logically left > with is the inference that he believes some thing. And all the while he > asserts it as knowledge, you cannot infer anything else. I'm not allowed to know where his knowledge comes from? Perhaps I would like to know for myself to, you know, grow. >>> If you were aware of the implications of his assertions >> What implications? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wrong or incorrect, all the while you being totally witless to the truth > that you cannot prove him wrong? I am *NOT* trying to prove him wrong or incorrect, you whacking great flying numpty. (What the heck's a numpty?) I am merely trying to get him to support his position so that I can grow. >>> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have >>> recognised that he wins and you lose. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is a contest. It is your contest to prove that the theist is witless > while avoiding the truth that it is you who is witless. It is? Wow. I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me of what I'm doing because I didn't know it. >> And it's dreadfully one-sided. > > It was dreadfully one sided in your favour until I waded in. Stiff sh.t for > you. So.... you came in in the middle and think you know it all? >>> As it is, you did no such thing, >> Do you know the history duke has with alt.atheism? It is a long and >> storied past. > > In one word or less, state why duke's history with alt.atheism automatically > invalidates the logic that underpins his claim to knowledge. Illogic. >>> and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even after >>> getting a warning about where you were treading, >> ....warning?! > > Yes. I was warning you. You seemed to have missed it. I was warning you that > I was about to make a fool of you. Really? Let me know what that'll start. >>> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow show >>> how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. >> Actually, no. If duke can fully support his position, I will leave him >> alone. As of now, all he has it bravado. > > He does not need to support his assertion, Fine. Then I don't need to believe him. > you whaking great sucking-hole in > the fabric of space-time. He has asserted knowledge therefore you cannot > prove him wrong. Do you understand? For the nth time, I'm NOT attempting to prove him wrong, you Gumby-looking testicle washer. (I'm not good at the insults. Sorry.) >>> He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? >>> >> Err, yes. Why don't you go ahead and try? > > Try is the operative word. Given your expansive grasp of illogic I dare say > it will be easier to push diarrhoea uphill with a sharp stick. Is this the best you can do? >> First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, though. > > Will I now? I will deal with the challenges I set for myself in any manner I > see fit, your illogical and idiotic bleats nothwithstanding. Fine. Enter into a debate with less than all the facts. > Now, this is how I will deal with the challenge... I will paraphrase and > assert his claim as my own and you can argue with me instead of with him. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > him a fuckwit because it was actually you who was the real fuckwit all > along. First, I never labeled him a fuckwit. I am going to have to ask you why you assume I did. Second, I would like to know how you know that God exists with 100% certainty as a fact unquestionably established. > I strongly recommend that you skulk off and don't take the challenge up. I > sincerely doubt your capacity to attempt to knock the claim down without > falling into a logical fallacy of hypostatisation in your very first post. Okay, I won't do that. I will take your challenge on, however. :-) >>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >> >> Don't bet your worthless life on it. > > I don't particularly believe my life to be worthless. I do thank you for > your opinion of my life. I'm sure you know all about it. I'll just make up some bullshit. Communal reinforcement will do the rest. >>> ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is >>> unwilling to support any of his assertions. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I can't prove it true<BITCHSLAP> Do you see what I mean? You are not equiped with what it takes to win this kind of argument. There is no requirement on you to prove it true, none whatsoever. The only requirement is that you have the necessary turn of mind to establish a sound logical footing from which to argue your case. Since I suspect you do not have the brains to do it, it follows that I am correct to assume you cannot proceed to establishing a sound base to start from. >, either. He keeps tap-dancing and pussyfooting around while insulting >atheists six ways to Sunday. I also insult atheists six ways to Sunday, and I make no bones about alt.atheism atheists deserving it either. >> That one simple idea completely escapes you. All that you are logically >> left with is the inference that he believes some thing. And all the while >> he asserts it as knowledge, you cannot infer anything else. > > I'm not allowed to know where his knowledge comes from? Perhaps I would > like to know for myself to, you know, grow. Where the knowledge came from is a completely different issue, with a completely different logical framework, and it cannot be dealt with until you acknowledge that the truth of his claim is unknowable to you. >>>> If you were aware of the implications of his assertions >>> What implications? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I am *NOT* trying to prove him wrong or incorrect, you whacking great > flying numpty. (What the heck's a numpty?) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty "a person so stupid they are incapable of understanding the simpliest of things". > I am merely trying to get him to support his position so that I can grow. He does not need to support his position. His position is logical and wholly supportable by way of logical argument. Your position is not so tenable. If an atheist thinks duke is the fool for claiming knowledge of God then the atheist is sorely mistaken. It is the atheist who is the fool for not understanding the implications of duke's assertion to knowledge. >>>> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have >>>> recognised that he wins and you lose. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It is? Wow. I didn't know that. Thank you for informing me of what I'm > doing because I didn't know it. You already, twice in fact, implored me to research his history, so don't bullshit me because it won't wash. His history is completely irrelevant to his claim of knowledge. There is only one thing to be dealt with and that is his claim to knowledge. Everything else is mere distraction. >>> And it's dreadfully one-sided. >> >> It was dreadfully one sided in your favour until I waded in. Stiff sh.t >> for you. > > So.... you came in in the middle and think you know it all? I know all I need to know about the nature of truth and provability to show that his claim to knowledge is logically supportable and wholly arguable as logically valid. I also know enough about alt.atheism atheists that unless I take up the challenge on his behalf then he will be hounded into submission, or endlessly pilloried and ridiculed, never being left alone, and always facing illogical demands for proof of his claim. Let's call it my charitable act for this week. It should be clear then that duke's theology is not a consideration here, therefore we can define God in this way: God = Omnimpotent Metaphysical X Yes? No? Not sure? >>>> As it is, you did no such thing, >>> Do you know the history duke has with alt.atheism? It is a long and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Illogic. I'm not the one who implied that duke's history with alt.atheism somehow has a bearing on the watertight logic that underpins his claim. You are. Remember? >>>> and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even after >>>> getting a warning about where you were treading, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Really? Let me know what that'll start. Those who know what I do and how I do it already know it's started. You need to catch up. >>>> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow show >>>> how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Fine. Then I don't need to believe him. Correctomundo. Therefore your whole argument with him is what, other than totally pointless? >> you whaking great sucking-hole in the fabric of space-time. He has >> asserted knowledge therefore you cannot prove him wrong. Do you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (I'm not good at the insults. Sorry.) I am. It causes many people to not see the trees for the forest. I'll drop it for you as a gesture of goodwill. >>>> He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Is this the best you can do? Given your evident susceptibility to missing the point so far, I dare say it will be, yes. >>> First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, >>> though. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fine. Enter into a debate with less than all the facts. I don't need any facts. No facts are required to support the paraphrased claim I put forward: I know that God exists, with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established. Duke does not need facts either, yet I bet you are ready to demand facts. [QUOTE] Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on Earth is a creation of God, so everything on Earth is evidence of God. [/QUOTE] What is wrong with the idea that "Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on Earth is a creation of God, so everything on Earth is evidence of God"? Really, it's a serious question. What is wrong with it, other than nothing at all? Why might it be logically invalid for him, or any theist, to know all those things are evidence of God? >> Now, this is how I will deal with the challenge... I will paraphrase and >> assert his claim as my own and you can argue with me instead of with him. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > First, I never labeled him a fuckwit. I am going to have to ask you why > you assume I did. It's called inference, it comes from implication. Why else do atheists troll theists on usenet? [stuff moved from here to end] >> I strongly recommend that you skulk off and don't take the challenge up. >> I sincerely doubt your capacity to attempt to knock the claim down >> without falling into a logical fallacy of hypostatisation in your very >> first post. > > Okay, I won't do that. I will take your challenge on, however. :-) Well, I'll take that at face value. Let us begin. For the purposes of this discussion, the discussion is the argument and the argument is the proof and the proof is the explanation; if you offer an explanation of something that knocks out something I've said then your explanation is the proof that I am wrong. Capiche? From above: > I am merely trying to get him to support his position so that I can grow. Your job is to get me to support the paraphrased claim, "I know that God exists, with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established." My job is to prove to you that your job is futile and illogical. > Second, I would like to know how you know that God exists with 100% > certainty as a fact unquestionably established. I just know. What else needs be said? Or do you grant that the truth of my claim is unknowable to you? Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >>> Don't bet your worthless life on it. >> I don't particularly believe my life to be worthless. I do thank you for >> your opinion of my life. I'm sure you know all about it. > > I'll just make up some bullshit. Communal reinforcement will do the rest. So, you need to lie? >>>> ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is >>>> unwilling to support any of his assertions. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do you see what I mean? You are not equiped with what it takes to win this > kind of argument. I'm not attempting to win. > There is no requirement on you to prove it true, none whatsoever. There is if he wants me to believe him. > The only > requirement is that you have the necessary turn of mind to establish a sound > logical footing from which to argue your case. I have one. > Since I suspect you do not > have the brains to do it, it follows that I am correct to assume you cannot > proceed to establishing a sound base to start from. You've lost. You've resorted to the logical fallacy of ad hominem. >> , either. He keeps tap-dancing and pussyfooting around while insulting >> atheists six ways to Sunday. > > I also insult atheists six ways to Sunday, and I make no bones about > alt.atheism atheists deserving it either. Fine, then you will be the subject of ridicule. >>> That one simple idea completely escapes you. All that you are logically >>> left with is the inference that he believes some thing. And all the while [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > completely different logical framework, and it cannot be dealt with until > you acknowledge that the truth of his claim is unknowable to you. I've already admitted that in my request for further information. >>>>> If you were aware of the implications of his assertions >>>> What implications? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "a person so stupid they are incapable of understanding the simpliest of > things". Thank you. I've never heard the term before. >> I am merely trying to get him to support his position so that I can grow. > > He does not need to support his position. His position is logical and wholly > supportable by way of logical argument. Your position is not so tenable. Except, it isn't. > If an atheist thinks duke is the fool for claiming knowledge of God then the > atheist is sorely mistaken. It is the atheist who is the fool for not > understanding the implications of duke's assertion to knowledge. I can assert that I know that unicorns exist. It does not mean that I have proven that they exist. >>>>> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have >>>>> recognised that he wins and you lose. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > bullshit me because it won't wash. His history is completely irrelevant to > his claim of knowledge. Except it isn't. > There is only one thing to be dealt with and that is > his claim to knowledge. Everything else is mere distraction. I do not doubt that he has knowledge. I want to know what it is. >>>> And it's dreadfully one-sided. >>> It was dreadfully one sided in your favour until I waded in. Stiff sh.t [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > or endlessly pilloried and ridiculed, never being left alone, and always > facing illogical demands for proof of his claim. Wait a second, here. Are you seriously arguing that what atheists are trying to do is to claim that someone doesn't know something they claim to know? Wow. ...just....wow. > Let's call it my charitable act for this week. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes? No? Not sure? Yes. >>>>> As it is, you did no such thing, >>>> Do you know the history duke has with alt.atheism? It is a long and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a bearing on the watertight logic that underpins his claim. You are. > Remember? Not his claim of knowledge. His knowledge itself. >>>>> and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even after >>>>> getting a warning about where you were treading, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Those who know what I do and how I do it already know it's started. You need > to catch up. Funny, because I don't see it. All I see you doing is attacking a strawman. >>>>> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow show >>>>> how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Correctomundo. Therefore your whole argument with him is what, other than > totally pointless? He has made claims about the existence of something and we want him to prove that existence. >>> you whaking great sucking-hole in the fabric of space-time. He has >>> asserted knowledge therefore you cannot prove him wrong. Do you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I am. It causes many people to not see the trees for the forest. I'll drop > it for you as a gesture of goodwill. Thank you. >>>>> He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Given your evident susceptibility to missing the point so far, I dare say it > will be, yes. I'm sorry if you think we're discussing point A when we're actually discussing point B with duke. Coming in during the middle of a conversation can lead to these kinds of misunderstandings. >>>> First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, >>>> though. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > unquestionably established. Duke does not need facts either, yet I bet you > are ready to demand facts. The claim itself is really irrelevant. The subject is what is at issue. > [QUOTE] > Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Really, it's a serious question. What is wrong with it, other than nothing > at all? The claim is not at issue. It's how duke arrived at that conclusion that is. > Why might it be logically invalid for him, or any theist, to know all those > things are evidence of God? I just want to know the reasoning behind it. >>> Now, this is how I will deal with the challenge... I will paraphrase and >>> assert his claim as my own and you can argue with me instead of with him. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > It's called inference, it comes from implication. I call that a "lie", personally. You told an untruth about me and are now trying to weasel your way out of it. > Why else do atheists troll > theists on usenet? So, you really don't know? It starts with theists trolling the atheist newsgroups. > [stuff moved from here to end] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > explanation of something that knocks out something I've said then your > explanation is the proof that I am wrong. Capiche? Yes. > From above: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > My job is to prove to you that your job is futile and illogical. Sure. >> Second, I would like to know how you know that God exists with 100% >> certainty as a fact unquestionably established. > > I just know. What else needs be said? Nothing. I just don't believe you. > Or do you grant that the truth of my claim is unknowable to you? The claim is unknowable to me...and irrelevant. >>>>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >>>> Don't bet your worthless life on it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So, you need to lie? Need and want are two different things. >>>>> ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is >>>>> unwilling to support any of his assertions. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I'm not attempting to win. lol >> There is no requirement on you to prove it true, none whatsoever. > > There is if he wants me to believe him. Bullshit. What claim of anyone's burdens you with the proof? >> The only requirement is that you have the necessary turn of mind to >> establish a sound logical footing from which to argue your case. > > I have one. Well, no doubt you believe you do, but it is neither sound nor logical if it is based on atheism. >> Since I suspect you do not have the brains to do it, it follows that I am >> correct to assume you cannot proceed to establishing a sound base to >> start from. > > You've lost. You've resorted to the logical fallacy of ad hominem. That came later. Don't try to swap timeframes. >>> , either. He keeps tap-dancing and pussyfooting around while insulting >>> atheists six ways to Sunday. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fine, then you will be the subject of ridicule. To date, none of my esteemed alt.usenet.kooks kookologist colleagues have put me in the "subject of ridicule" category for arguing against alt.atheism atheists. They, my esteemed colleagues, have however voted in droves for alt.atheism and certain indvidual atheists to be recognised as official netk0oKs. Kook Award Search Results 1 match for "alt.atheism". Alt.Atheism George Armstrong Custer "Kicked @$$" Award George Armstrong Custer "Kicked @$$" Award Given to those brave, inspiring crusaders who will keep up a lost lunatic cause despite all odds, even after the enemy has won, set up their own superpower in their midst and are chugging Guinness in a Kook-free world scenario. BOB ALLISAT MEMORIAL, LINE & SINKER THE NO SALVATION ARMY OF ALT.ATHEISM Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker A counterpart to the Pierre Salinger HL&S (see below) for those who are so gullible that they not only swallow the hook but leap into the boat, gut and scale themselves, and make recipe suggestions for their cooking. 72 RAISINS "CRACKPOT RELIGION" AWARD BRENDA "SKYEYES" NELSON A No Salvation Army alt.atheism founding member A.A.#34 is an official Netk0oK. You appear to be mistaken about who is the object of ridicule here. >>>> That one simple idea completely escapes you. All that you are logically >>>> left with is the inference that he believes some thing. And all the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I've already admitted that in my request for further information. Good point. I was hoping to stretch your hide before tanning it :) I will deal with it shortly. >> He does not need to support his position. His position is logical and >> wholly supportable by way of logical argument. Your position is not so >> tenable. > > Except, it isn't. Atheism is not a logical position to proceed from anything. In the absence of knowledge with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established, agnosticism is the only logical point to start from. >> If an atheist thinks duke is the fool for claiming knowledge of God then >> the atheist is sorely mistaken. It is the atheist who is the fool for not >> understanding the implications of duke's assertion to knowledge. > > I can assert that I know that unicorns exist. It does not mean that I > have proven that they exist. Well, yes, you can. But if you assert that unicorns exist then it follows that you need immediate medical intervention in the head department. It is within the bounds of normal for people to believe in a God. It is not normal for people to believe in unicorns. >>>>>> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have >>>>>> recognised that he wins and you lose. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Except it isn't. How so? >> There is only one thing to be dealt with and that is his claim to >> knowledge. Everything else is mere distraction. > > I do not doubt that he has knowledge. I want to know what it is. Yet, at the end of this post, you grant that it is unknowable to you. Logical error alert. If it is unknowable to you, as you granted, then how can you know it? >>>>> And it's dreadfully one-sided. >>>> It was dreadfully one sided in your favour until I waded in. Stiff sh.t [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ...just....wow. No. I am saying that his claim to knowledge is logically supportable and wholly arguable as logically valid. It follows then that any counter-argument that his claim to knowledge is illogical, unsupportable and invalid is itself illogical, unsupportable and invalid. So, do you believe that his claim to knowledge is logically supportable and wholly arguable as logically valid? >> Let's call it my charitable act for this week. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yes. Fair enough. >>>>>> As it is, you did no such thing, >>>>> Do you know the history duke has with alt.atheism? It is a long and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Not his claim of knowledge. His knowledge itself. It doesn't matter if we refer to his claim to knowledge or if we refer to his knowledge itself. At the root of it all lies what you have already conceded is unknowable to you. >>>>>> and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even >>>>>> after getting a warning about where you were treading, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Funny, because I don't see it. All I see you doing is attacking a > strawman. That would be because you are not in the set of those who know. See? Everything is logical if you just think. >>>>>> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow >>>>>> show how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > He has made claims about the existence of something and we want him to > prove that existence. Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. Ooops. You lose. >>>> you whaking great sucking-hole in the fabric of space-time. He has >>>> asserted knowledge therefore you cannot prove him wrong. Do you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Coming in during the middle of a conversation can lead to these kinds of > misunderstandings. Well, no. You stated outright what your objective is, and I already knew what your objective was, so coming in at the middle is a moot point: "He has made claims about the existence of something and we want him to prove that existence." I have paraphrased that claim and made it my own for this discussion. Why aren't you asking me to prove it? >>>>> First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, >>>>> though. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The claim itself is really irrelevant. The subject is what is at issue. What is the "subject"? >> [QUOTE] >> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The claim is not at issue. It's how duke arrived at that conclusion that > is. Duke arrived at that conclusion through knowledge that has 100% certainty and is a fact that is unquestionably established. Knowledge, I will add, that you have already conceded is not knowable to you. So, if duke's knowledge is not knowable to you, where is the logic in your now clearly stated objective, "He has made claims about the existence of something and we want him to prove that existence"? Apart from your objective being the embodiment of the logical fallacy of hypostatisation, of course. >> Why might it be logically invalid for him, or any theist, to know all >> those things are evidence of God? > > I just want to know the reasoning behind it. He doesn't need reasoning. He says has knowledge. If you have knowledge that you will die if you leap off a 600' cliff with no parachute, do you also need reasoning to prevent you from actually jumping? >>>> Now, this is how I will deal with the challenge... I will paraphrase >>>> and assert his claim as my own and you can argue with me instead of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I call that a "lie", personally. You told an untruth about me and are now > trying to weasel your way out of it. If I grant that it was a lie, where is the weaseling? >> Why else do atheists troll theists on usenet? > > So, you really don't know? It starts with theists trolling the atheist > newsgroups. Since when has telling illogical atheist nitwits that they are illogical atheist nitwits been trolling? >> [stuff moved from here to end] >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Nothing. I just don't believe you. Problem solved then. >> Or do you grant that the truth of my claim is unknowable to you? > > The claim is unknowable to me... I said the truth of the claim, not the claim. > and irrelevant. No, it is not irrelevant. Far from it. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >>>>> Don't bet your worthless life on it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Need and want are two different things. Okay, so you WANT to lie? >>>>>> ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he is >>>>>> unwilling to support any of his assertions. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > lol I'm sorry if you seem to think that everything needs to be a contest. I'm trying to learn, not win. >>> There is no requirement on you to prove it true, none whatsoever. >> There is if he wants me to believe him. > > Bullshit. What claim of anyone's burdens you with the proof? If duke wants me to believe (as he has said on many occasion), then he's going to have to show why that belief is valid. He has not done so. >>> The only requirement is that you have the necessary turn of mind to >>> establish a sound logical footing from which to argue your case. >> I have one. > > Well, no doubt you believe you do, but it is neither sound nor logical if it > is based on atheism. Howso? Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. What is illogical about that? What fallacies does it commit? >>> Since I suspect you do not have the brains to do it, it follows that I am >>> correct to assume you cannot proceed to establishing a sound base to >>> start from. >> You've lost. You've resorted to the logical fallacy of ad hominem. > > That came later. Don't try to swap timeframes. I agree. This came after you told me to not resort of logical fallacies. >>>> , either. He keeps tap-dancing and pussyfooting around while insulting >>>> atheists six ways to Sunday. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > alt.atheism and certain indvidual atheists to be recognised as official > netk0oKs. <snip list> You know, I don't really care what another newsgroup has to say. > You appear to be mistaken about who is the object of ridicule here. Certainly not me. And I don't really care if other atheists are considered "official netk0oks". It has no bearing on me. Atheists are not a cohesive group. The ONLY thing we share in common is our mutual lack of belief in deities. >>>>> That one simple idea completely escapes you. All that you are logically >>>>> left with is the inference that he believes some thing. And all the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I will deal with it shortly. Whatever. >>> He does not need to support his position. His position is logical and >>> wholly supportable by way of logical argument. Your position is not so >>> tenable. >> Except, it isn't. > > Atheism is not a logical position to proceed from anything. Nor has it been put forth as being that. Here, let me spell it out for you: It is the lack of belief in deities. That is it. Nothing more. > In the absence > of knowledge with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established, > agnosticism is the only logical point to start from. What about agnostic atheism? >>> If an atheist thinks duke is the fool for claiming knowledge of God then >>> the atheist is sorely mistaken. It is the atheist who is the fool for not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > within the bounds of normal for people to believe in a God. It is not normal > for people to believe in unicorns. I say that it is not normal for people to believe in a God. >>>>>>> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would have >>>>>>> recognised that he wins and you lose. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > How so? He has claimed knowledge of things in the past that have proven to be false. For example: He has claimed knowledge that I am someone named "snowden" and that I've been thrown in jail. Neither are true. >>> There is only one thing to be dealt with and that is his claim to >>> knowledge. Everything else is mere distraction. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If it is unknowable to you, as you granted, then how can you know it? By someone telling me and me investigating it. >>>>>> And it's dreadfully one-sided. >>>>> It was dreadfully one sided in your favour until I waded in. Stiff sh.t [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > So, do you believe that his claim to knowledge is logically supportable and > wholly arguable as logically valid? His claim (not the point) is logically valid. The substance of that claim (and the POINT), however, is what is at issue here. >>> Let's call it my charitable act for this week. >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > his knowledge itself. At the root of it all lies what you have already > conceded is unknowable to you. And we've tried, for years, to get him to give this knowledge so that we may learn. He has refused to do so. >>>>>>> and still you persist in trying to defend the indefensible, even >>>>>>> after getting a warning about where you were treading, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That would be because you are not in the set of those who know. No, even then. > See? Everything is logical if you just think. Not everything. No. >>>>>>> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow >>>>>>> show how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. Ooops. You lose. How? Please explain. >>>>> you whaking great sucking-hole in the fabric of space-time. He has >>>>> asserted knowledge therefore you cannot prove him wrong. Do you [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I have paraphrased that claim and made it my own for this discussion. Why > aren't you asking me to prove it? I haven't gotten to that point yet. >>>>>> First, you will need to research duke's history with alt.atheism, >>>>>> though. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What is the "subject"? The existence of this deity he says he believes in and knows exist. >>> [QUOTE] >>> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and is a fact that is unquestionably established. Knowledge, I will add, > that you have already conceded is not knowable to you. ...and that I want to know about. > So, if duke's knowledge is not knowable to you, where is the logic in your > now clearly stated objective, "He has made claims about the existence of > something and we want him to prove that existence"? I see nothing illogical in the above. > Apart from your > objective being the embodiment of the logical fallacy of hypostatisation, of > course. Um, what? Please explain. >>> Why might it be logically invalid for him, or any theist, to know all >>> those things are evidence of God? >> I just want to know the reasoning behind it. > > He doesn't need reasoning. He says has knowledge. Reasoning begets knowledge. If I have a reason, I'll seek the path to education. > If you have knowledge that you will die if you leap off a 600' cliff with no > parachute, do you also need reasoning to prevent you from actually jumping? Actually, the reasoning precedes the knowledge. If you had the knowledge before the reasoning, you'd have to ask why you would die. "I know I'll die, but I don't know the reason." >>>>> Now, this is how I will deal with the challenge... I will paraphrase >>>>> and assert his claim as my own and you can argue with me instead of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > If I grant that it was a lie, where is the weaseling? Right here: "It's called inference, it comes from implication" and the lie is "you...labeled him a fuckwit". >>> Why else do atheists troll theists on usenet? >> So, you really don't know? It starts with theists trolling the atheist >> newsgroups. > > Since when has telling illogical atheist nitwits that they are illogical > atheist nitwits been trolling? That's not the reason that atheists are trolling theist newsgroups. The trolling that theists do in atheist newsgroups starts with breaking alt.atheism's charter of no proselytizing. >>> [stuff moved from here to end] >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > I said the truth of the claim, not the claim. I cannot know if there is truth behind the claim because the claim is currently unknowable to me. >> and irrelevant. > > No, it is not irrelevant. Far from it. The claim is irrelevant. I can claim unicorns exist. I can claim leprechauns exist. I can claim deities exist. I can claim my cat sings just like Sarah Maclachlan, in perfect English. The claims are really irrelevant. The substance of the claims is what is at issue. >>>>>>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >>>>>> Don't bet your worthless life on it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Okay, so you WANT to lie? No. I lie because I can. >>>>>>> ct. Duke has shown, time and time and time and TIME again that he >>>>>>> is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'm sorry if you seem to think that everything needs to be a contest. I'm > trying to learn, not win. Ok. >>>> There is no requirement on you to prove it true, none whatsoever. >>> There is if he wants me to believe him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If duke wants me to believe (as he has said on many occasion), then he's > going to have to show why that belief is valid. He has not done so. You say that "he's going to have to show why that belief is valid". Are you referring to his belief or yours? >>>> The only requirement is that you have the necessary turn of mind to >>>> establish a sound logical footing from which to argue your case. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Howso? Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. What is > illogical about that? What fallacies does it commit? "the lack of belief in deities" is only one definition of atheism. > What fallacies does it commit? That there are multiple definitions should be sufficient to convince you that the foundations of atheism are, at the very least, inconsistent. Any argument you propose that is based on your very own atheism is at serious risk of being invalidated by some other person's definition of their own atheism. So, the logical fallacy is, at best, audiatur et altera pars, "My definition of atheism is the correct definition". Perhaps, dicto simpliciter. In my experience, most athiests invariably always fall into argumentum ad ignorantiam, "you can't prove X exists therefore X does not exist." I'm sure if I dug deep enough I could uncover an argumentum ad ignorantiam in your statements somewhere. [snip] > Atheists are not a cohesive group. See previous comment. Atheism is inconsistent, therefore it is logically faulty to proceed to an argument from a position of atheism. That's another way of saying "your argument is neither sound nor logical if it is based on atheism", which I already asserted. > The ONLY thing we share in common is our mutual lack of belief in deities. Whoa! Speak only for yourself. There are innumerable people out there who do not share your definition of your atheism. >> Atheism is not a logical position to proceed from anything. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That is it. Nothing more. Well, no, you're wrong. There is more. Much more. Implications for starters. >> In the absence of knowledge with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably >> established, agnosticism is the only logical point to start from. > > What about agnostic atheism? Define "agnostic atheism". Additional inconsistency in atheism noted. >>>> If an atheist thinks duke is the fool for claiming knowledge of God >>>> then [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I say that it is not normal for people to believe in a God. So, what qualifiactions by way of university degrees in neuroscience and psychology do you have to backup the idea that belief in a God is not normal? Here are a few who disagree with you. Please provide a corresponding list of verifiable references. Gilovich, Thomas. How We Know What Isn't So. Free Press, 1991 Adler, J.E. (1998). Open minds and the argument from ignorance Skeptical Inquirer, 22(1), 41-44. Shermer, Why People Believe: Introduction, Prologue, Chapters 1-2 McDonald, J. (1998). 200% probability and beyond: The compelling nature of extraordinary claims in the absence of alternative explanations. Skeptical Inquirer, 22(1), 45-64. David R. Blumenthal, Judaism and Psychology: Halakhic Perspectives by Moshe Halevi Spero, Modern Judaism, Vol. 8, No. 3 (Oct., 1988), pp. 300-303 F. C. French The Journal of Philosophy, Psychology and Scientific Methods, Vol. 2, No. 26, pp. 701-707 A DIALOGUE ON TIME AND COMMON SENSE-SIDGWICK Mind.1894; III: 441-448 A social cognitive perspective on religious beliefs: their functions and impact on coping and psychotherapy - Dominic A. Carone, Jr. and David F. Barone [QUOTE] Why do so many societies care deeply and morally about menstruation, food taboos, sexuality, and respect for elders and the Gods? You can't just dismiss this stuff as social convention... In what follows I will take it for granted that religion is a part of the natural world that is appropriately studied by the the methods of science. Whether or not God exists (and as an atheist I personally doubt it), religiosity is an enormously important fact about our species. There must be some combination of evolutionary, developmental, neuropsychological, and anthropological theories that can explain why human religious practices take the various forms that they do, many of which are so similar across cultures and eras. [/QUOTE] Jonathan Haidt, Associate Professor of Psychology, University of Virginia. "The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom." So, not even publicly avowed atheist psychologists agree with you. Of course, you have now set yourself the problem of explaining why you believe your prehistoric ancestors were abnormal or mentally defective. >>>>>>>> then you would have stopped there and left it at that; you would >>>>>>>> have [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Neither are true. Allow me to use your favourite word here: Irrelevant. The difference is though that, I will state why it is irrelevant, rather than just asserting irrelevance as I've seen you do. There is only one claim in focus here, my paraphrased claim. You intend to argue against all of duke's assertions when you should be focussing on the paraphrased claim that I put forward. Please stay focussed. And that is not the first time you've tried to build a straw man to divert attention in such a manner. >>>> There is only one thing to be dealt with and that is his claim to >>>> knowledge. Everything else is mere distraction. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > By someone telling me and me investigating it. Of course, you can't see how illogical that is, can you? If it is unknowable to you then it is unknowable, period. No amount of investigation and instruction will reveal it to you. For crying out loud, can't you even foresee the most minor of all the silly consequences of what you are saying? In one breath you admit it is unknowable then in the other you imply that you can know. That is hardly consistent with clear thinking. I extended to you the assumption that you could think things through. Perhaps I should not have been so hasty. [snip] >> No. I am saying that his claim to knowledge is logically supportable and >> wholly arguable as logically valid. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > His claim (not the point) is logically valid. The substance of that claim > (and the POINT), however, is what is at issue here. Why the emphasis on "THE POINT"? Explain. The substance is unknowable to you, remember? Either that or you need to define what you think is the "the substance". >>> Not his claim of knowledge. His knowledge itself. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And we've tried, for years, to get him to give this knowledge so that we > may learn. He has refused to do so. <smacks head, full force into brick wall> Yet you granted that the truth of his knowledge is unknowbale to you. Do you see yet another of your persistent failures to think through what you are saying? Or do you need me to spell it out for you yet again? You cannot learn from his knowledge because both his knowledge and the truth of that knowledge are unknowable to you. Do you understand? >> See? Everything is logical if you just think. > > Not everything. No. Given the difficulty you seem to have in staying focussed, and considering your propensity to make utterly contradictory, inconsistent and incoherent assertions that have wholly illogical outcomes, I am hardly surprised you feel that way. >>>>>>>> which is your stupid and illogical notion that he needs to somehow >>>>>>>> show how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > How? Please explain. Step 1: His knowledge and the truth of his knowledge are unknowable to you. Step 2: To you, his knowledge and the truth of his knowledge are, at best, your very own abstract concepts, despite his knowledge and the truth of his knowledge being actual things to him. Step 3: Regarding your abstract idea of his actual thing as somehow empirically verifiable is the logical fallacy of hypostatisation, also known as the logical fallacy of reification. If his knowledge and its truth is unknowable to you then his knowledge and its truth are also unprovable. Result: logical fallacy of hypostatisation, i.e. you demand empircial evidence of the non-empirical. [snip] >>> The claim itself is really irrelevant. The subject is what is at issue. >> >> What is the "subject"? > > The existence of this deity he says he believes in and knows exist. Well, yes, and again, join the dots: 1. He says the existence of this deity is real and he says that he knows it exists. 2. This knowledge and the truth of this knowledge is unkowbale to you, but at 1 he asserts reality. 3. From 1 and 2, this deity cannot be real to you, it can be, at best, an abstract concept to you. 4. You insist on regarding your very own abstract idea of his actual thing as empirically verifiable. 5. From 4, there is a clear logical fallacy of hypostatisation. The conclusion so far can only be that duke has you tied up in your own illogical knots from which you cannot extricate yourself. Thus my original assertion that what he says is logically valid and supportable still stands. It follows then that it is the case that what you say is not logically valid and is unsupportable. Why is it so? Because the dot at 5 says it is so. Proceeding to arguments about deities from a position of atheism always results in the very same logical inconsistencies, I have never seen it any other way, and logically, it can't be any other way. That is precisely why I said that taking the athesitic position is illogical, and so far, everything you have written has resulted in immediate logical incoherency, vis a vis you still believe that you can know the unknowable if someone explains the unknowable to you. And still, you do not see the logical absurdity you have created. >>>> [QUOTE] >>>> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ...and that I want to know about. But which you have already granted you cannot know about. It's your self-tied illogical knot. You undo it. In other words, "Tie your own shoe-laces, you goddamned one-armed son of a bitch." >> So, if duke's knowledge is not knowable to you, where is the logic in >> your now clearly stated objective, "He has made claims about the >> existence of something and we want him to prove that existence"? > > I see nothing illogical in the above. I didn't suppose you would, which is why I said at the outset that you don't have the brains to figure this out. That is not an ad hominem; it is a statement of fact. For the umpteenth time: How can something that is unknowable to you ever be known to you? If some thing is unknowable to you, it is unknowable to you. Period. End of story. No amount of evidence, proof or discussion will ever make it knowable to you. That must be the case because if that thing suddenly became knowable to you then that thing could not have been unknowable in the first place. What is so difficult about that idea that you cannot grasp it? >> Apart from your objective being the embodiment of the logical fallacy of >> hypostatisation, of course. > > Um, what? Please explain. See all the repetitive explantions above, which you have forced me to provide because of your inability to grasp the simple notion that if something is unknowable then unknowable it is. >>>> Why might it be logically invalid for him, or any theist, to know all >>>> those things are evidence of God? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Reasoning begets knowledge. If I have a reason, I'll seek the path to > education. That's something I would expect a pompous a.s to say. >> If you have knowledge that you will die if you leap off a 600' cliff with >> no parachute, do you also need reasoning to prevent you from actually >> jumping? > > Actually, the reasoning precedes the knowledge. If you had the knowledge > before the reasoning, you'd have to ask why you would die. Unshown assertion. Claim fails. > "I know I'll die, but I don't know the reason." >>> I call that a "lie", personally. You told an untruth about me and are >>> now trying to weasel your way out of it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Right here: "It's called inference, it comes from implication" and the lie > is "you...labeled him a fuckwit". That's a metaphor of the implication, not a lie. HTH >>>> Why else do atheists troll theists on usenet? >>> So, you really don't know? It starts with theists trolling the atheist [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > trolling that theists do in atheist newsgroups starts with breaking > alt.atheism's charter of no proselytizing. Oh, for crying out loud. alt.atheism is an alt.* group. Charters are for the big8 groups. Charters in alt groups are used solely to stymie and silence those who disagree with you. Jesus loves you. Repent and believe! There, I've broken your pwecious charter. Please report me to my NSP forthwith. Preposterous. Infantile. >>>> Or do you grant that the truth of my claim is unknowable to you? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I cannot know if there is truth behind the claim because the claim is > currently unknowable to me. Holy snapping-ducks on a pogo-stick. The claim is fully knowable to you. "I know that God exists, with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established" There. That is the claim, fully revealed to you. Now, tell me again that the words "I know that God exists, with 100% certainty, as a fact unquestionably established" are unkowable to you, even while the words sit there in front of your very own eyes. You cannot know the truth of the claim because the truth of the claim is unknowable to you. >>> and irrelevant. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The claims are really irrelevant. The substance of the claims is what is > at issue. Unbelievable. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >>>>>>> Don't bet your worthless life on it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No. I lie because I can. Okay, then I don't need to talk to you. Have a nice life. <snip the rest> >>>>>>>>> Incorre<BITCHSLAP> >>>>>>>> Don't bet your worthless life on it. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > <snip the rest> Your unequivocal admission of defeat is accepted. Of course, it will completely escape your tiny, illogical atheist pin-head that you also lie because you can. <aside> f.cking stupid c.nt. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>So, you need to lie? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > <aside> > f.cking stupid c.nt. It doesn't appear that he admitted defeat. He just stated that he doesn't want to converse with an admitted liar. By the way, you have a foul mouth. >>>>>>>So, you need to lie? >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > It doesn't appear that he admitted defeat. He just stated that he doesn't > want to converse with an admitted liar. He did more than what you claim. Snip and run, for starters. > By the way, you have a foul mouth. No sh.t? f.ck me dead. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god and that Duke is a pedophile. I ride a unicorn to work and have a larger penis than John Holmes. Now I am going back to my Mike Tyson "ear sandwich". >Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god Haahaahaahaahaahaa. So name that fact in 3 notes or less. > and that Duke is >a pedophile. I ride a unicorn to work and have a larger penis than John >Holmes. Now I am going back to my Mike Tyson "ear sandwich". What can I say. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > duke, Nothing! >>>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Nothing! Right, that you'd understand. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Right, that you'd understand. Wrong! You say nothing at all. >>>>>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >Wrong! You say nothing at all. But I say way more than you do. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But I say way more than you do. Only in your own small mind. >>>>>>>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>>>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Only in your own small mind. My small mind is bigger than your mind. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>>>>and that Duke is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > My small mind is bigger than your mind. You are a f.cking child. >>>>>>>>> Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>>>>> and that Duke is a pedophile. I ride a unicorn to work and have [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > You are a f.cking child. Duke does go on and on like a little baby. In reality he is old and suffers from alzheimers. >>>>>>>>>> Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>>>>>> and that Duke is a pedophile. I ride a unicorn to work and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Duke does go on and on like a little baby. In reality he is old and > suffers from alzheimers. He also has his head stuck up his a.s. > Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed it from afar? > and that Duke is a pedophile. I ride a unicorn to work and have a larger > penis than John Holmes. Now I am going back to my Mike Tyson "ear > sandwich". Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >"madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed >it from afar? Don't have to. It's claimed that god is everywhere. Anywhere you look, you should see him/her/it. Assuming he/she/it exists, of course... __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Don't have to. It's claimed that god is everywhere. > Anywhere you look, you should see<BITCHSLAP> Logical fallacy of denial of the antecedent -> A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false -> Evidence implies existence, evidence is false, therefore existence is false. The falsity of A does not allow you to logically deduce anything at all about B, you brain-dead, unthinking, pin-headed atheistic fuckbubble. You may as well have posted "Not breathing implies death therefore if I hold my breath I must be dead". Your post is yet more undeniable empirical evidence that atheism makes you f.cking stupid. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > therefore B is false -> Evidence implies existence, evidence is false, > therefore existence is false. Actually, no. In this context, A does NOT imply B. A = B. A is false, therefore B HAS TO BE false. Logical. <snip> > Your post is yet more undeniable empirical evidence that atheism makes you > f.cking stupid. This coming from the person who can't even get the logic correct? >>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In this context, A does NOT imply B. A = B. A is false, therefore B HAS > TO BE false. Logical. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! Join the dots, tardboi... "A does NOT imply B. A = B. A is false, therefore B HAS TO BE false." "Evidence does NOT imply existence. Evidence = Existence. Evidence is false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false." LMFARO@YOU, you numbskulled atheist fuckbucket. > This coming from the person who can't even get the logic correct? That coming from the person who can't even get the logic correct. This, that. That, this. This <> that. That <> this. Too fast for you, was it? Want to see it again, only slower? This, that. That, this. This <> that. That <> this. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > "Evidence does NOT imply existence. Evidence = Existence. Evidence is > false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false." Yes. >>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yes. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! No doubt that all makes perfect sense to you too. Translation: KM: You are a fuckwit. DanielSan: Yes. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > KM: You are a fuckwit. > DanielSan: Yes. Translation: KM: I cannot back up what I say so I will laugh and insult. DanielSan: Yes. >>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > KM: I cannot back up what I say so I will laugh and insult. > DanielSan: Yes. Correction, fuckwad. You dismissed everything out of hand, and you incorrectly, though very conveniently, concluded that you were being told porkies. Besides, there are no second prizes. The going in position was that you lacked the brains to deal with the matters before you. You made excuses and ran away, thereby proving that you do indeed lack the brains to deal with the matters before you. duke, an official netKo0k, ran rings around you, spinning you into a tizzy of your own illogical, fuckwitted demands and mad, nonsensical assertions, and the truth is, you simply cannot deal with that fact. "Evidence does NOT imply existence. Evidence = Existence. Evidence is false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> KM: I cannot back up what I say so I will laugh and insult. >> DanielSan: Yes. <snip insults> > "Evidence does NOT imply existence. Evidence = Existence. Evidence is > false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false." > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Please tell me where you think I'm in error here. >>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Please tell me where you think I'm in error here. Oh, for f.ck snakes, you're deadly serious, aren't you? You are even more stupid than I gave you discredit for. "Evidence does NOT imply existence" is analogous to saying something like, "The evidence proving that I broke my nose on the brick wall does not imply that the brick wall exists." "Evidence = Existence" is analogous to saying something like, "Bricks are bananas." And "Evidence is false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false" is analogous to saying something like, "There is no evidence available to me that I exist when I am asleep therefore I do not exist when I am asleep." You utterly stupid, insensible git. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > "The evidence proving that I broke my nose on the brick wall does not imply > that the brick wall exists." Ah, I think I get it. > "Evidence = Existence" is analogous to saying something like, "Bricks are > bananas." Actually, no. That's not what I said or am saying. Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. Definition: Omnipresence is defined as being everywhere at the same time. Experiment: Look in one place. Observation: God is not present in that location. Conclusion: Omnipresence is not a property of God. > And "Evidence is false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false" is analogous to > saying something like, "There is no evidence available to me that I exist > when I am asleep therefore I do not exist when I am asleep." > > You utterly stupid, insensible git. Interesting, because all you can do is attack red herrings and I'm the git? The claim is false because property is false. "Evidence is false (God is everywhere), therefore existence of that property HAS TO BE false." Do you get it now, you insufferably pedantic twit? >>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Ah, I think I get it. Dubious, at best. >> "Evidence = Existence" is analogous to saying something like, "Bricks are >> bananas." > > Actually, no. That's not what I said or am saying. You less than useless, sloppy fannyfart after a Roman orgy. Who said it is what you are saying? f.ck me dead, you trundle out the word logic as if it were f.cking magic yet you can't even get a grip on the idea of notional equivalence. > Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. > Definition: Omnipresence is defined as being everywhere at the same time. > Experiment: Look in one place. > Observation: God is not present in that location. > Conclusion: Omnipresence is not a property of God. Amazing. Even after having the logical fallacy of hypostatisation rammed into your thick, bone skull, mutliple times, with size 14 hob-nail, steel-toe-capped boots, you still do it. >> And "Evidence is false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false" is analogous >> to saying something like, "There is no evidence available to me that I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Interesting, because all you can do is attack red herrings and I'm the > git? LMAO - the red herring is your perpetual logical fallacy of hypostatisation, you f.cking gormless nong. > The claim is false because property is false. > > "Evidence is false (God is everywhere), therefore existence of that > property HAS TO BE false." > > Do you get it now, you insufferably pedantic twit? Given your verifiable persistence at falling witlessly into the logical fallacy of attempting to seek evidence of the non-empirical in the empirical, it is clear that one of us doesn't get it, but it isn't me. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Who said it is > what you are saying? Me. > f.ck me dead, you trundle out the word logic as if it > were f.cking magic yet you can't even get a grip on the idea of notional > equivalence. Do let me know when you plan on ending your waste of keystrokes on irrelevancies. >> Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. >> Definition: Omnipresence is defined as being everywhere at the same time. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > into your thick, bone skull, mutliple times, with size 14 hob-nail, > steel-toe-capped boots, you still do it. How is that hypostatisation? Do you even know what that word means? >>> And "Evidence is false, therefore Existence HAS TO BE false" is analogous >>> to saying something like, "There is no evidence available to me that I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > LMAO - the red herring is your perpetual logical fallacy of hypostatisation, > you f.cking gormless nong. How is it hypostatisation if it's not my claim? >> The claim is false because property is false. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fallacy of attempting to seek evidence of the non-empirical in the > empirical, it is clear that one of us doesn't get it, but it isn't me. If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist. QED. Unless, of course, you can show that the non-empirical can exist. Until that time, you are guilty of hypostatisation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Me. For clarification (before you decide to go into another paragraph of worthless insults against my character, committing the fallacy of ad hominem), the claim that I am saying "Bricks are bananas" is analogous to "evidence = existence" is a false one. You're the one that came up with "Bricks are bananas", not I. >> f.ck me dead, you trundle out the word logic as if it were f.cking >> magic yet you can't even get a grip on the idea of notional equivalence. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Unless, of course, you can show that the non-empirical can exist. Until > that time, you are guilty of hypostatisation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] >> >> If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist. PS: Signatured. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does > not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com Thank you SO much for misrepresenting my words and beating up on a strawman of your invention. Moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > Thank you SO much for misrepresenting my words and beating up on a > strawman of your invention. Nice .sig. It suits you. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > Kadaitcha Man > I lie because I can. Yours is pretty good, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > > Yours is pretty good, too. There are no second prizes. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Do let me know when you plan on ending your waste of keystrokes on > irrelevancies. [...] > If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist. Therefore, by your very own illogic, neither do your thoughts, your ideas, your feelings, or even that thing called your conscious self, that which experiences your thoughts, your ideas and your feelings. The case against you is closed. Only an unthinking, illogical and completely fuckheaded atheist nincompoop could earnestly imply that his own conscious self did not exist. I plan on ending my waste of keystrokes on your irrelevance starting now. HTH & toodle-pip. <aside> Un-f.cking-believable. "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." Of all the fuckwitted things I've ever read on Usenet, that's up there with the best of 'em. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > your feelings, or even that thing called your conscious self, that which > experiences your thoughts, your ideas and your feelings. False. 100% false. Thoughts, ideas, feelings and the conscious self are empirical. > The case against you is closed. Only an unthinking, illogical and completely > fuckheaded atheist nincompoop could earnestly imply that his own conscious > self did not exist. That's your strawman. > I plan on ending my waste of keystrokes on your irrelevance starting now. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > all the fuckwitted things I've ever read on Usenet, that's up there with the > best of 'em. It's not my fault if you don't understand what you said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "madMental" <mm@mentalmail.ru> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > False. 100% false. Thoughts, ideas, feelings and the conscious self are > empirical. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com <snip> >> Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. >> Definition: Omnipresence is defined as being everywhere at the same [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > rammed into your thick, bone skull, mutliple times, with size 14 > hob-nail, steel-toe-capped boots, you still do it. Danielsan does not realize that you are right and he is wrong. You are always right and he is wrong. You are right and all of us are always wrong. Of course now you have the problem of god being evil to tend to. Ever watch a little kid die because his drunken dad wanted to take him on a fun ride on a motorcycle? Dad broke the telephone pole he ran into but he lived. His son was in front of him on the bike so acted as an early version of an air bag. Ever picked up the charred remains of two people who were trapped under a car and still very much alive as the fire took them? > <snip> >>> Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Of course now you have the problem of god being evil to tend to. Booleshit. I have no such burden. You however have a number of very big problems to resolve, at least 3, perhaps 4: 1. Define evil. 2. DanielSan and I agreed on the definition of God. Show how that agreed definition necessarily entails evil: news:vL6dnTpqrYh7vY3VnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com [QUOTE] > therefore we can define God in this way: > > God = Omnimpotent Metaphysical X > > Yes? No? Not sure? Yes. [/QUOTE] Off you go, fucktard. Hop to it. Show how the omnipotence of a Metaphysical X entails evil. > Ever watch a little kid die because his drunken dad wanted to take him on > a fun ride on a motorcycle? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ever picked up the charred remains of two people who were trapped under a > car and still very much alive as the fire took them? Ever thought about necking yourself? 3. Show how common, everyday life and death events, such as transport accidents, fit into your definition of evil (from 1). 4. Show that your answer at 3 is not slanted by your own cock-eyed, lopsided, twisted urge to escape everyday life and find a Utopia. <aside> <snigger> f.cking witless atheist c.nt. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >> <snip> >>>> Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > 1. Define evil. Irrelevant unless you argue that it does not exist. If god is as you "prove" and evil exists then god contains evil. If you don't believe evil exists, you are a bit different from everybody else. > 2. DanielSan and I agreed on the definition of God. Show how that > agreed definition necessarily entails evil: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 3. Show how common, everyday life and death events, such as transport > accidents, fit into your definition of evil (from 1). In the same manner that you define god. Such acts are evil. > 4. Show that your answer at 3 is not slanted by your own cock-eyed, > lopsided, twisted urge to escape everyday life and find a Utopia. Right after you learn what an axiom is. > <aside> > <snigger> > f.cking witless atheist c.nt. Limited vocabulary defender of Catholics. >>> <snip> >>>>> Claim: Omnipresence is a property of God. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Irrelevant unless you argue that it does not exist. Really? Then by your own illogic, I can assert that a qwertyartblurbleflit exists and you must argue that it doesn't. Anything you say about a qwertyartblurbleflit is irrelevant unless you argue it does not exist. > If god is as you "prove" and evil exists then god contains evil. Pick a response: 1. Unshown assertion. Claim fails. 2. LMAO - what sort of a fuckwad are you to presume any thinking person would argue against your undefined notions of 'evil', within the framework that you have not yet shown is valid? Face it, you illogical atheist nitwit, not everyone is f.cking stupid like you. > If you don't believe evil exists, you are a bit different from everybody > else. You still have the burden, titweed. >> 2. DanielSan and I agreed on the definition of God. Show how that >> agreed definition necessarily entails evil: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Off you go, fucktard. Hop to it. Show how the omnipotence of a >> Metaphysical X entails evil. Note: No response. >>> Ever watch a little kid die because his drunken dad wanted to take >>> him on a fun ride on a motorcycle? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Ever thought about necking yourself? Note: No response. >> 3. Show how common, everyday life and death events, such as transport >> accidents, fit into your definition of evil (from 1). > > In the same manner that you define god. > Such acts are evil. Why do your undefined notions of evil rest on the manner of definition for an Omnipotent Metaphysical X? >> 4. Show that your answer at 3 is not slanted by your own cock-eyed, >> lopsided, twisted urge to escape everyday life and find a Utopia. >> > Right after you learn what an axiom is. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That omnipotence entails evil is not self-evident. So, bad luck, burden-shifter. You have work to do. <pats Mike Painter on head> <spins Mike Painter around on his little legs> <shoves Mike Painter in the back> Off you go, boyo, there's a good lad. >> <aside> >> <snigger> >> f.cking witless atheist c.nt. > Limited vocabulary defender of Catholics. If that's what you want to be called, I won't stop you. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>> Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Logical fallacy of denial --snip-- Maybe god isn't everywhere, then? Only in certain out-of-the-way places? __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Maybe god isn't everywhere, then? Only in certain > out-of-the-way places? That is not the what the believers say. . . . We should take their word on this. >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Maybe god isn't everywhere, then? Only in certain > out-of-the-way places? Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Logical fallacy of --snip-- It was a question. __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It was a question. No sh.t, Shylock? You seem to have snipped the answer. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>>>>> Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >No sh.t, Shylock? You seem to have snipped the answer. There was no answer, unless you count non sequiturs. __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > There was no answer, unless you count non sequiturs. It comes as no surprise that you, smiffy, an alt.atheism atheist, would confuse a sequitur with a non sequitur. The answer, which you snipped, did indeed follow from the question. If you believe otherwise then show how the answer does not follow from the question. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>>>>>>Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the >>>>>>>>>entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >It comes as no surprise that you, smiffy, an alt.atheism >atheist, would confuse a sequitur with a non sequitur. You assume your 'answer' made sense? >The answer, which you snipped, did indeed follow from >the question. If you believe otherwise then show how >the answer does not follow from the question. The question wasn't that complex. A simple 'yes' or 'no' would have sufficed. __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > You assume your 'answer' made sense? The only thing assumed was that you had the brains to realise that the meaning was fully self-evident, on its face and without the need for explaining it to you. You may mark the assumption that you had the brains as being one of the rare occasions when I was wrong. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >> >> You assume your 'answer' made sense? > > The only thing assumed was that you had the brains to realise that the > meaning was fully self-evident, on its face and without the need for > explaining it to you. You may mark the assumption that you had the > brains as being one of the rare occasions when I was wrong. This is why he defends Earl. He also is never wrong. > >> >>> You assume your 'answer' made sense? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This is why he defends Earl. He also is never wrong. [^ indicates up] alt.atheism atheist logic at work. "one of the...occasions when I was wrong" IS EQUAL TO "never wrong". Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com "The firmware of a router can become sick after awhile of continuous usage." DUHane Arnold <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> giving technical advice. news:k96dnd110uImNojVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the >>>>>>>>>>>entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >mark the assumption that you had the brains as being >one of the rare occasions when I was wrong. So yes, you assumed your answer made sense. Even though the question was straightforward and required only a yes or no answer. __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > So yes<BITCHSLAP> Glad you agree. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com "The firmware of a router can become sick after awhile of continuous usage." DUHane Arnold <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> giving technical advice. news:k96dnd110uImNojVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Glad you agree. Does that mean yes or no? __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Does that mean yes or no? If it were me asking you the question and I didn't get the response I wanted then I would merely make up some bullshit and try to make it stick. Please feel free to do the same. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com "Godel was wrong." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that he is one of the most significant logicians of all time, not Kurt Gödel. news:qumdnaImur0KeIrVnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com "The firmware of a router can become sick after awhile of continuous usage." DUHane Arnold <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> giving technical advice. news:k96dnd110uImNojVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. > Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. > > Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. > > Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. ** There is no better example of what RCC inculcation can potentially do than Earl / "Duke". SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> > Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. >> >> Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. > >** There is no better example of what RCC inculcation can potentially do >than Earl / "Duke". Viola' - rlm, the inculcation of non-Christian thought. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. >>> Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. >> ** There is no better example of what RCC inculcation can potentially do >> than Earl / "Duke". > > Viola' - rlm, the inculcation of non-Christian thought. You have demonstrated RLM's point most beautifully. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>> Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. >>>> Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >You have demonstrated RLM's point most beautifully. You don't understand what he said, little turkey. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>> Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. >>>>> Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You don't understand what he said, little turkey. And you can't be bothered to explain it . . . . AGAIN. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>> Kadaitcha and Duke will be spending some time with me, very soon. >>>>>> Sorry to hear that, you deserve better. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >And you can't be bothered to explain it . . . . AGAIN. Eventually you have to grow up, listeman, and learn to do your own research. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>> In article <buvSj.12838$GE1.4603@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, "Mike >>>>>> Painter" [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Eventually you have to grow up, listeman, and learn to do your own > research. I am happy to. You are afraid to even give a subject. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> Viola' - rlm, the inculcation of non-Christian thought. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I am happy to. You are afraid to even give a subject. Ya gotta learn to keep up with the discussion if you wanna play. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >response I wanted then I would merely make up some >bullshit and try to make it stick. I know you would. You're dishonest. >Please feel free to do the same. I'm basically honest. Question too hard? __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > I know you would. You're dishonest. Hey, now's there's an idea... "The Honest Troll". Nah. It'll never wash. >>Please feel free to do the same. > > I'm basically honest. Question too hard? It depends. I haven't decided what's in it for me yet, and I'm not likely to because I can't be bothered. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com "Godel was wrong." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that he is one of the most significant logicians of all time, not Kurt Gödel. news:qumdnaImur0KeIrVnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com "The firmware of a router can become sick after awhile of continuous usage." DUHane Arnold <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> giving technical advice. news:k96dnd110uImNojVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com >"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entire universe, exited it in a spaceship and observed [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >Hey, now's there's an idea... "The Honest Troll". >Nah. It'll never wash. Ever been tried? >>>Please feel free to do the same. >> >> I'm basically honest. Question too hard? > >It depends. I haven't decided what's in it for me yet, >and I'm not likely to because I can't be bothered. You like to argue. __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH __________________________________________ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ "He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 >>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Ever been tried? No, only two driving infringements. >>>>Please feel free to do the same. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You like to argue. True. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com "Godel was wrong." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that he is one of the most significant logicians of all time, not Kurt Gödel. news:qumdnaImur0KeIrVnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com "The firmware of a router can become sick after awhile of continuous usage." DUHane Arnold <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> giving technical advice. news:k96dnd110uImNojVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com >>>"Mike Smith" <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > True. I like to poop. >>Kadaitcha Man , I know for a fact that there is no god > > Really? You inspected evry nook and cranny in the entire universe, exited it > in a spaceship and observed it from afar? No need.....it is written.....it is fact. >>and that Duke is a pedophile. I ride a unicorn to work and have a larger >>penis than John Holmes. Now I am going back to my Mike Tyson "ear >>sandwich". > > You miss the point entirely, which is not an unexpected occurence > from an alt.atheism atheist. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > unknowable. > He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? Absolutely. "... how it is that he knows what is, to you, the utterly unknowable. " Your first stop should be the RCC which says that some of the things he claims to know are in fact *unknowable*. In some cases they say claiming you have the knowledge is an automatic excommunication. So first make a fool of teh RCC and then get back to us. Then you can start on the first sentence and show how thisa alleged knowledge provides logical fully supportable outcomes. I've put one or two people in mental health facailities that asserted knowledge that they were controlled by the computer (note this is singular because they only had one at the time.) at the local university. > > >> You miss the point entirely, which is not an unexpected occurence [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Your first stop should be the RCC which says that some of the things he > claims to know are in fact *unknowable*<BITCHSLAP><BITCHSLAP> You scored one bitchslap for moving the goalposts from an assertion of knowledge of one thing to unnamed other "things he claims to know". You scored a second bitchslap for not knowing that his assertion of knowing is unknowable only insofar as the things he claims to know are unknowable only to those who do not know. > In some cases they say claiming you have the knowledge is an automatic > excommunication<BITCHSLAP> Unsupported assertion. Claim fails. > So first make a fool of teh RCC<BITCHSLAP> Why? Are the JW's collectively sick of being the default fool along with the alt.atheism atheists? Or just you? > and then get back to us. > > Then you can start on the first sentence and show how thisa alleged > knowledge provides logical fully supportable outcomes. I don't need to show anything from your ridiculous attempts at altering the scope from knowledge to the whole of the suddenly inserted RCC, you f.cking fool. You however have now set yourself the silly task of showing that his claim to knowledge is not knowledge at all, but is, as you just asserted, merely "alleged knowledge". > I've<BITCHSLAP> What about you, you brain-dead fuckhead? Say, aren't you the illogical JW twat who claimed that "ELOHIM" stumbled upon an a ready-created, unformed and void, water-covered earth, thereby implying that said "ELOHIM" was not the creator and that there was an even greater creator, which you do not worship? news:E7tJj.111$V14.61@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com Oopsies! It was you. There goes the foundation of any logical claim you thought you had. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >> > >>> You miss the point entirely, which is not an unexpected occurence [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > silly task of showing that his claim to knowledge is not knowledge at > all, but is, as you just asserted, merely "alleged knowledge". Had you followed teh advice given you would see that Earl's claims are those fostered by the RCC. Since you can't know what >> I've<BITCHSLAP> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > There goes the foundation of any logical claim you thought you had. Uh, no it was not me. I simply posted what people who can actually read the language say it said. >>> > >>>> You miss the point entirely, which is not an unexpected occurence [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Had you followed teh advice given you would see that Earl's claims are > those fostered by the RCC. Since you can't know what Focusing on the theology of the claim is the act of the unthinking nutfuck. What needs to be focussed on are the logical implications of the claim, but you can't do that because you are the unthinking nutfuck in question. >>> I've<BITCHSLAP> >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Uh, no it was not me. I simply posted what people who can actually read > the language say it said. That's odd. The evidence says it was you. Please explain. Path: news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!792949db!not-for-mail From: "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.talk.creationism,alt.atheism,alt.astronomy,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.bible,free.christians References: <%PcIj.5861$Ps1.4761@trndny08> <YfdIj.12436$gS1.3162@trndny07> <47f16317$0$26092$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> <KAdIj.5865$Ps1.3343@trndny08> <aUfIj.952$Cn4.365@news02.roc.ny> <y2gIj.2511$lV1.1552@trndny06> <1jd3v3pa740pi1ovpvaq5fhnd32bkbhbun@4ax.com> <PknIj.12477$gS1.8079@trndny07> <6KqIj.968$NU2.946@news01.roc.ny> <5OxIj.3681$yd2.2621@trndny04> <w6yIj.986$NU2.437@news01.roc.ny> <tzyIj.2925$fq2.508@trndny03> <EbzIj.994$NU2.866@news01.roc.ny> <fsulo6$j80$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> <psBIj.1002$Cn4.372@news02.roc.ny> <fsupcm$r7m$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> <deCIj.1008$Cn4.74@news02.roc.ny> <ft3d76$qk7$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> <0NWdnfK_J-822WjanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@earthlink.com> <ft3kbu$e4u$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> <MtKdnXGVpdPL8mjanZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@earthlink.com> <AhgJj.1128$NU2.952@news01.roc.ny> <G6adnYJePot4A2janZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@earthlink.com> <MuhJj.1135$NU2.584@news01.roc.ny> <Z6ednfbajriQMWjanZ2dnUVZ_h7inZ2d@earthlink.com> <1p115a.sah.19.1@news.alt.net> Subject: Re: The Scientific Mehtod and Evolution; Astronomer gets it right. Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080404-0, 04/04/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: <E7tJj.111$V14.61@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.117.26.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com 1207328356 ST000 67.117.26.199 (Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:59:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:59:16 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: TSU[@SRDQRESSVLX@BNNO_TDFZ\@@FXLM@TDOCQDJ@_@FNTBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:00:09 -0700 Kadaitcha Man wrote: <snip > Well, as I understand the Judeo-Christian and Islamic texts, you'd > both be wrong. Look up creatio ex nihilo, you pair of fuckheaded, > waffling toads. > Try Genesis 1:1-2 and Quran 19:67 for starters. I don't know about the Quran but creation from nothing is a later concept and "The correct translation by Hebrew scholars of the JPS, from the traditional Hebrew text, which makes much more sense, is: "When God [ELOHIM] began to create heaven and earth -- the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God [ELOHIM] sweeping over the water -- God [ELOHIM] said, 'Let there be light'; and there was light." The story tells us that the ELOHIM found an "unformed and void", water-covered earth, out of which was formed the whole universe, referred to as "heaven and earth". How could this be? Only by assuming, as the story does, that the Sun, Moon and all the stars are tiny lights affixed to the solid sky dome which is also holding back the "waters above". The story reflects the primitive cosmography known and held by the ancient authors." Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >> I don't need to show anything from your ridiculous attempts at altering >> the scope from knowledge to the whole of the suddenly inserted RCC, you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Had you followed teh advice given you would see that Earl's claims are > those fostered by the RCC. Since you can't know what You're arguing with someone who lives to argue. KM doesn't care about right or wrong, true or false. He loves to stir people up. Kinda like a troll, but with more staying power and more success. SignatureEnkidu AA#2165 EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, ULC, Modesto, CA Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand. -- Mark Twain >>> I don't need to show anything from your ridiculous attempts at altering >>> the scope from knowledge to the whole of the suddenly inserted RCC, you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > right or wrong, true or false. He loves to stir people up. Kinda like a > troll, but with more staying power and more success. :) Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com "Godel was wrong." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that he is one of the most significant logicians of all time, not Kurt Gödel. news:qumdnaImur0KeIrVnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com "The firmware of a router can become sick after awhile of continuous usage." DUHane Arnold <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> giving technical advice. news:k96dnd110uImNojVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com >>>>>>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >He wins, you lose. Logic says so. Do you need me to prove it to you? Please. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just >mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism >would have a problem with duke. Wrong, doug selmer/dave snowden, I have always said I believe as all evidence demands the existence of God. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just >> mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism >> would have a problem with duke. > > Wrong, doug selmer/dave snowden, I have always said I believe as all evidence > demands the existence of God. So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, ALL of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that merely your belief? >>> No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just >>> mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that merely your >belief? Fact. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just >>>> mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fact. So much so that you feel no need to offer any support to that statement, right? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, ALL >>>of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that merely your >>>belief? >> Fact. >So much so that you feel no need to offer any support to that statement, >right? There is no evidence to the contrary. Of course, if you can provide any, please do now so we can see what no man has seen before. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, ALL >>>>of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that merely your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > please > do now so we can see what no man has seen before. There does not have to be evidence to the contrary. You are the one making the claim, I am merely saying that the evidence you provided to support your claim is insufficent. Again you are asking that I prove a negative and you know full well that is impossible. OTOH proving a positive should be easy if it is valid. That is your job. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > Again you are asking that I prove a negative and you know full well that > is impossible. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I do not have 3 legs. -2 - -1 = -1 You were saying, fuckwad? Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>> No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just >>>> mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Fact. Okay, so belief is not involved. Thanks! >>> So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, ALL >>> of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that merely your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks! Now, see? You simply do not think through the utterly illogical consequences of your absurd notions. If he asserts knowledge, which he does, then, necessarily, he holds the truth of his assertion, which is unknowable to you. You, on the other hand, necessarily hold only a belief. There are two sides to the equation. His truth, your belief. He requires no belief because he asserts knowledge. The only belief involved is your belief. So, now that you can see the where the illogic is in your asseretion, where is the illogic in his assertion? Hmmmm? Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>> So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, >>>> ALL of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > So, now that you can see the where the illogic is in your asseretion, > where is the illogic in his assertion? Hmmmm? Exactly the same logic that Suzanne supports. God talks to her because she says god talks to her and since she says god talks to her it has the truth of her assertion. The woman sho sits in the window and sees murders and rapes is cars every night has the truth of her assertion. That no rapes are reported or bodies found are not relevant. >>>>> So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, >>>>> ALL of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > night has the truth of her assertion. That no rapes are reported or bodies > found are not relevant. Mike, just don't bother. All KM wants to do is discuss the assertion itself, not the content of the subject. In the analogy above, we talk to duke about the fact that no rapes or murders are reported, but KM wants to talk about the woman's claim itself. It's a strawman, and a poor one, and he has admitted that he lies because he can. Don't bother with KM. If he shows that he actually wants to talk on the subject of the claim and not just the claim itself, I'll talk to him. But not before then. I suggest you do the same. >>>>>> So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, >>>>>> ALL of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > It's a strawman, and a poor one, and he has admitted that he lies because > he can. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Translation: DanielSan NEVER lies! No! NEVER! DanielSan can not lie! > Don't bother with KM. If he shows that he actually wants to talk on the > subject of the claim and not just the claim itself, I'll talk to him. Liar. > But not before then. I suggest you do the same. Aw, diddums. The poow widdle atheists... Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>> So, you were lying when you said "All evidence to be found, again, >>>>> ALL of it, demands the existence of God almighty." Or is that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Exactly the same logic I doubt that you have any authority to assert logic. Let's find out... > that Suzanne supports. God talks to her because she says god talks to her > and since she says god talks to her it has the truth of her assertion. > > The woman sho sits in the window and sees murders and rapes is cars every > night has the truth of her assertion. That no rapes are reported or bodies > found are not relevant. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! Logical fallacy of accident. I was right, you have no authority to assert logic. Hell, you don't even know what the f.ck logic is. The rule you applied to paragraph 1, which is a non-empirical assertion, does not apply to paragraph 2, which is an empirical assertion. Atheism makes you f.cking stupid. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E >>>>> No, see, duke has said that he KNOWS that God exists. It's not just >>>>> mere belief with him. If it were, I doubt any atheist in alt.atheism [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Okay, so belief is not involved. >Thanks! You're confused. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >He is not required to do any such thing. You, on the other hand, are >required to show that you understand the difference between belief and >knowledge, and the relationship between truth and provability. >The fact that you assert he has not shown what you require him to show is >sufficient proof to support the assertion that you neither know the >difference between belief and knowledge nor understand the relationship >between truth and provability, therefore you lack the necessary mental >equipment to deal with the philosophical outcomes of his assertions. >In short, the burden is on you to show that you have the brains and >foresight to deal with the philosophical outcomes, however the evidence in >your very own statements clearly says that you do not. >You should give up while you're behind. >HTH Well put. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** duke wrote:> >>You should give up while you're behind. >>HTH [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ***** Dukie likes to smoke cock. Be careful or he will put it in your behind. >duke wrote:> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Dukie likes to smoke cock. Be careful or he will put it in your behind. Uhhhhhhhh, lookie at this little queer boy. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>duke wrote:> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > duke, Dukie is the little queer alter boy. >>He is not required to do any such thing. You, on the other hand, are >>required to show that you understand the difference between belief and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > W<BITCHSLAP> Shut up, you blithering lunatic. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E <snip> > I can answer this for him: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > very squirrelly about that subject. He has not answered how he knows > that that is evidence for God and it CANNOT be anything else. Malaria, smallpox, cancer, AIDS, CA-MRSA (one of the new gifts http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dhqp/ar_mrsa_ca_public.html) "essentially everything on Earth is a creation of God, so everything on Earth is evidence of God. " But Earl claims these are man made... > <snip> >> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > But Earl claims these are man made... Of course. All good things are God made. All bad things are man made. Duke hates humanity. >> <snip> >>> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Of course. All good things are God made. All bad things are man made. >Duke hates humanity. Correction: all good things come from God. All bad things come from man listening to satan. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> <snip> >>>> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Correction: all good things come from God. All bad things come from man > listening to satan. Well, isn't that special? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Of course. All good things are God made. All bad things are man made. >>>Duke hates humanity. >> Correction: all good things come from God. All bad things come from man >> listening to satan. >Well, isn't that special? Actually, it's God's way. And satan's way. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Of course. All good things are God made. All bad things are man made. >>>>Duke hates humanity. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Actually, it's God's way. And satan's way. Convenient! And you don't have to back it up if you don't want to! So there . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>Of course. All good things are God made. All bad things are man made. >>>>>Duke hates humanity. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Convenient! And you don't have to back it up if you don't want to! So >there . . . I don't have your superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:19:58 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I don't have your superstition. Well that would be obvious to anybody. You can't possibly have something of mine that I don't have myself. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I don't have your superstition. >Well that would be obvious to anybody. You can't possibly have something of >mine that I don't have myself. Check in the closet. You superstition is there somewhere. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I don't have your superstition. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Check in the closet. You superstition is there somewhere. I won't go through your closet for all sorts of reasons. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> I don't have your superstition. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I won't go through your closet for all sorts of reasons. Not to worry. You keep your superstition in your closet, not mine. But as much as you try to hide from it, it still smiles at you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:21:33 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > as much > as you try to hide from it, it still smiles at you. Oh, that is the "superstition" which you dare not speak, right? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Not to worry. You keep your superstition in your closet, not mine. But >> as much >> as you try to hide from it, it still smiles at you. >Oh, that is the "superstition" which you dare not speak, right? nope, it's yours, and you hide it in your closet. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Not to worry. You keep your superstition in your closet, not mine. But >>> as much >>> as you try to hide from it, it still smiles at you. >>Oh, that is the "superstition" which you dare not speak, right? > > nope, it's yours, and you hide it in your closet. And you can't bring yourself to describe it. I say you are full of it and know it. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>> <snip> >>>> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Correction: all good things come from God. All bad things come from man > listening to satan. Even leprosy? >>>> <snip> >>>>> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Even leprosy? Even leprosy which comes from living in squalid conditions. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> <snip> >>>>>> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Even leprosy which comes from living in squalid conditions. Nope. Try again. > <snip> > > I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > But Earl claims these are man made... ** chortle SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org ><snip> >> I can answer this for him: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >But Earl claims these are man made... Man is not God. These things are a result of man playing at being God once kicked out of the Garden, and being a miserable failure. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >The evidence is as follows: >Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on >Earth is a creation of God, so everything on Earth is evidence of God. >I do not know, however, what led him to believe that and he's being very >squirrelly about that subject. He has not answered how he knows that >that is evidence for God and it CANNOT be anything else. When you come up with a better answer for beauty, color, life, sciences, creation, love, sympathy, sorrow, let me know. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> The evidence is as follows: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > When you come up with a better answer for beauty, Specify? > color, The reflection and/or diffusion of certain parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and/or the interpretation of that reflected/diffused portion on receptors of light-sensitive equipment. > life, Simple evolution after abiogenesis. > sciences, Trial and error. > creation, You mean "space"? That's already been shown. > love, Emotion based upon evolution of biochemical beings, such as the release of certain neurochemicals and hormones (such as oxytocin) in response to the release of pheremones. Love has been observed through MRI analyses. > sympathy, Sympathy is a survival trait for some living beings. See "emotion" listed above in "love" for more information. > sorrow, More emotion. See above "emotion" again. Love, sympathy, and sorrow are three survival traits that humans gained during evolution. It is spectacularly beautiful. > let me know. Hope that helps. >>> The evidence is as follows: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Specify? >> color, >The reflection and/or diffusion of certain parts of the electromagnetic >spectrum and/or the interpretation of that reflected/diffused portion on >receptors of light-sensitive equipment. God's laws. >> life, >Simple evolution after abiogenesis. God's creation. >> sciences, >Trial and error. For man. God set these standards up. >> creation, >You mean "space"? That's already been shown. Yep, God did it. >> love, >Emotion based upon evolution of biochemical beings, such as the release >of certain neurochemicals and hormones (such as oxytocin) in response to >the release of pheremones. Strictly from God. >Love has been observed through MRI analyses. God does that too. >> sympathy, >Sympathy is a survival trait for some living beings. See "emotion" >listed above in "love" for more information. Response to God's love. >> sorrow, >More emotion. See above "emotion" again. Response to God's love. >Love, sympathy, and sorrow are three survival traits that humans gained >during evolution. It is spectacularly beautiful. God's way. >> let me know. >Hope that helps. Yep, I win. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> The evidence is as follows: >>> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Yep, I win. Without have to bother to bring anything to the table. A simple declaration is all that is needed! Does it get any easier than that? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Hope that helps. >> Yep, I win. >Without have to bother to bring anything to the table. A simple declaration >is all that is needed! Does it get any easier than that? You offer nothing. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Hope that helps. >>> Yep, I win. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You offer nothing. Exactly. I don't have to offer anything. I am not making the positive assurtion that deities exist, you are. If deities exist, you should be able to point to evidence of their existance that cannot be otherwise explained. You know, like bananas. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MumboJumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>> Hope that helps. >>>> Yep, I win. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to point to evidence of their existance that cannot be otherwise explained. > You know, like bananas. I was reading responses to Cameron's "proof" the other day. Here's what one devout Christian said in response to it: "As someone who isn't an atheist and at the same time has no problem with the theory of evolution, I really wish that people like Kirk Cameron would just shut the f.ck up and stop painting all people who belive in a God as an idiot." (pasted as posted; no editing given) >> You offer nothing. >Exactly. I don't have to offer anything. I am not making the positive >assurtion that deities exist, you are. And you have nothing to offer in a discussion. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> The evidence is as follows: >>>> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > God's laws. Now you're going to have to back that up. >>> life, >> Simple evolution after abiogenesis. > > God's creation. This, too. >>> sciences, >> Trial and error. > > For man. God set these standards up. Along with this. >>> creation, >> You mean "space"? That's already been shown. > > Yep, God did it. And this. >>> love, >> Emotion based upon evolution of biochemical beings, such as the release >> of certain neurochemicals and hormones (such as oxytocin) in response to >> the release of pheremones. > > Strictly from God. And this. >> Love has been observed through MRI analyses. > > God does that too. And that. (God performs MRIs?) >>> sympathy, >> Sympathy is a survival trait for some living beings. See "emotion" >> listed above in "love" for more information. > > Response to God's love. As well as this. >>> sorrow, >> More emotion. See above "emotion" again. > > Response to God's love. And this, too. >> Love, sympathy, and sorrow are three survival traits that humans gained >> during evolution. It is spectacularly beautiful. > > God's way. And that as well. But, continue to make baseless assertions that you refuse to back up. I find it humorous. >>>>> The evidence is as follows: >>>>> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Now you're going to have to back that up. Color comes form God and his laws of refraction. >>>> life, >>> Simple evolution after abiogenesis. >> >> God's creation. >This, too. This too. >>>> sciences, >>> Trial and error. >> For man. God set these standards up. >Along with this. This too. >>>> creation, >>> You mean "space"? That's already been shown. >> Yep, God did it. >And this. This too. >>>> love, >>> Emotion based upon evolution of biochemical beings, such as the release >>> of certain neurochemicals and hormones (such as oxytocin) in response to >>> the release of pheremones. >> Strictly from God. >And this. This too. >>> Love has been observed through MRI analyses. >> God does that too. >And that. (God performs MRIs?) God gave man the intelligence to invent MSI's. >>>> sympathy, >>> Sympathy is a survival trait for some living beings. See "emotion" >>> listed above in "love" for more information. >> Response to God's love. >As well as this. This too. >>>> sorrow, >>> More emotion. See above "emotion" again. >> Response to God's love. >And this, too. This too. >>> Love, sympathy, and sorrow are three survival traits that humans gained >>> during evolution. It is spectacularly beautiful. >> God's way. >And that as well. This too. >But, continue to make baseless assertions that you refuse to back up. >I find it humorous. Because you lack the intelligence to do otherwise. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>> The evidence is as follows: >>>>>> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything on [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Color comes form God and his laws of refraction. You're going to have to back that up. How are the laws of reflection/refraction "God's laws"? >>>>> life, >>>> Simple evolution after abiogenesis. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Because you lack the intelligence to do otherwise. I could, but you have no evidence. >>>>>> The evidence is as follows: >>>>>> Trees, squirrels, mountains, streams, oceans...essentially everything [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Because you lack the intelligence to do otherwise. Deities are duke's dumpster of ideas that he does not have to think about. He just gives credit to these things so he does not have to think about reality. This pattern of thought is used by all religions and, for most of history, it was necessary. Science had nibbled away at religions function. Now people worship the "gods of the gaps." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >Deities are duke's dumpster of ideas that he does not have to think about. >He just gives credit to these things so he does not have to think about >reality. This pattern of thought is used by all religions and, for most of >history, it was necessary. Science had nibbled away at religions function. >Now people worship the "gods of the gaps." The gap between heaven and hell is eternal. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>Deities are duke's dumpster of ideas that he does not have to think about. >>He just gives credit to these things so he does not have to think about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The gap between heaven and hell is eternal. Blather. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Deities are duke's dumpster of ideas that he does not have to think about. >>>He just gives credit to these things so he does not have to think about [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Blather. . . . It's your funeral. Choose wisely. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:30:20 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > It's your funeral. Choose wisely. Watch out for the Handkerchief! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:30:20 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Watch out for the Handkerchief! I have nothing to fear from your handkerchief that you worship. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:30:20 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I have nothing to fear from your handkerchief that you worship. And I have nothing to fear from your petty, childish god that you worship. >>>> It's your funeral. Choose wisely. >>> Watch out for the Handkerchief! >> I have nothing to fear from your handkerchief that you worship. >And I have nothing to fear from your petty, childish god that you worship. Ok, it's your funeral. Choose wisely. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> It's your funeral. Choose wisely. >>>> Watch out for the Handkerchief! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Ok, it's your funeral. Choose wisely. Why are you so smug? Nothing at all supports your teachings. Nothing. >>>>> It's your funeral. Choose wisely. >>>> Watch out for the Handkerchief! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ok, it's your funeral. Choose wisely. There are thousands of gods. I'm not going to choose at all. Too much chance of choosing the wrong one. >>>>>> It's your funeral. Choose wisely. >>>>> Watch out for the Handkerchief! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Ok, it's your funeral. Choose wisely. >There are thousands of gods. I'm not going to choose at all. Too much >chance of choosing the wrong one. They're all wrong. And purile, idiotic, savage, ignorant and brain-damaging. >>>>> It's your funeral. Choose wisely. >>>> Watch out for the Handkerchief! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ok, it's your funeral. Choose wisely. What about Boggymen? Do you go on about them? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:15:26 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I have nothing to fear from your handkerchief that you worship. ROTFLMAO! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >And yet, getting examples out of your is like pulling teeth. I gave you the biggest evidence there is - the big bang. See, I even stooped to telling you once again when I said I wouldn't. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I see the evidence. It's everywhere. Don't you see it? Are you even >>> looking? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stooped to > telling you once again when I said I wouldn't. Yet you acknowedge ignorance of the origin of the your percived maker of the "Big Bang," don't you? The bottom line in all this is the "Unknown." You worship the "Unknown" by anthropomorphifizing it, which is a silly waste. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo JUmbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I gave you the biggest evidence there is - the big bang. See, I even >> stooped to >> telling you once again when I said I wouldn't. >Yet you acknowedge ignorance of the origin of the your percived maker of the >"Big Bang," don't you? I know what the Creator did. I don't know the origin of the Creator, though. >The bottom line in all this is the "Unknown." You worship the "Unknown" by >anthropomorphifizing it, which is a silly waste. Creation of the universe, all in it including mankind, and science is not unknown. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I gave you the biggest evidence there is - the big bang. See, I even >>> stooped to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I know what the Creator did. I don't know the origin of the Creator, > though. We both arrive at the same place regarding the "Big Bang" although you insist making yourself feel better by inventing a "slush fund" of a being to explain all the details and I just skip to the chase with the unknown. >>The bottom line in all this is the "Unknown." You worship the "Unknown" >>by >>anthropomorphifizing it, which is a silly waste. > Creation of the universe, all in it including mankind, and science is not > unknown. The details are still unknown and that is where you land when pressed. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I know what the Creator did. I don't know the origin of the Creator, >> though. >We both arrive at the same place regarding the "Big Bang" although you >insist making yourself feel better by inventing a "slush fund" of a being to >explain all the details and I just skip to the chase with the unknown. The big bang is creation at it's finest. Creation takes a creator. We call him God. >> Creation of the universe, all in it including mankind, and science is not >> unknown. >The details are still unknown and that is where you land when pressed. Science says it's creation. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I know what the Creator did. I don't know the origin of the Creator, >>> though. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > call him > God. If everything requires a creator, so do deities. There is no end to this line of thinking besides the unknown. Deities are an unnecessary and superstitious step to the unknown. >>> Creation of the universe, all in it including mankind, and science is >>> not >>> unknown. >>The details are still unknown and that is where you land when pressed. > > Science says it's creation. Science is silent on this subject so far except to say that "creation" probably did not happen as described by the world's superstitions. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >If everything requires a creator, so do deities. Why? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>If everything requires a creator, so do deities. > > Why? OK, can you make a case that everything requires a maker except deities? (I smell a honking special pleading coming up.) > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>If everything requires a creator, so do deities. >> Why? >OK, can you make a case that everything requires a maker except deities? Sorry, you said it, not me. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>If everything requires a creator, so do deities. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sorry, you said it, not me. I said it in the form of a question. You failed to answer the question. Perhaps you don't have much of an answer to that question. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>If everything requires a creator, so do deities. >>>> Why? >>>OK, can you make a case that everything requires a maker except deities? >> Sorry, you said it, not me. >I said it in the form of a question. You failed to answer the question. >Perhaps you don't have much of an answer to that question. No, you made a statement. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>If everything requires a creator, so do deities. >>>>> Why? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No, you made a statement. "OK, can you make a case that everything requires a maker except deities?" It has all the earmarks of a question. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > I gave you the biggest evidence there is - the big bang. See, I even stooped to > telling you once again when I said I wouldn't. The only big bang dork wants is a big gang bang with choir boys. >>>>He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I see the evidence. It's everywhere. Don't you see it? Are you even looking? Wrong! No evidence. None! >>>> He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>> statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I see the evidence. It's everywhere. Don't you see it? Are you even looking? But what leads YOU to BELIEVE that it's God and that it CANNOT be ANYTHING else? (I use caps for emphasis. Pay attention to those words.) >> You say "All evidence" demands God's existence and I want to know why >> you think that. No answer, huh? >>He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I believe. The evidence is overwhelming. It is good that you use the word "believe." It shows you might be capable of understanding the difference between that and "know." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >It is good that you use the word "believe." It shows you might be capable >of understanding the difference between that and "know." Are you just now waking up to the proper wording? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:36:40 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Are you just now waking up to the proper wording? Good! You might eventually be able to seperate fantasy from reality! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>>>to provide proof. He needs only to state what he believes - nothing >>>>>more. >>>> I believe. The evidence is overwhelming. >>>It is good that you use the word "believe." It shows you might be capable >>>of understanding the difference between that and "know." >> Are you just now waking up to the proper wording? >Good! You might eventually be able to seperate fantasy from reality! So your superstition keeps you from knowing the proper word is "believe". >> duke, American-American >> ***** >> "The Mumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." >> Pope Paul VI >> ***** duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>He seems incapable of understanding the logical problems with his >>>>>>statements. He was raised to think that the existence of deities are [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So your superstition keeps you from knowing the proper word is "believe". Right! You BELIEVE in deities. You don't KNOW that there are deities like you KNOW that the Sun will rise out of the East every morning. >>> duke, American-American >>> ***** >>> "The Mumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." >>> Pope Paul VI >>> ***** >>>>>It is good that you use the word "believe." It shows you might be >>>>>capable [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> So your superstition keeps you from knowing the proper word is "believe". >Right! You BELIEVE in deities. You don't KNOW that there are deities like >you KNOW that the Sun will rise out of the East every morning. Right, all evidence demands it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>It is good that you use the word "believe." It shows you might be >>>>>>capable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Right, all evidence demands it. All evidence demands that deities are the creations of humans to explain the unknown - and to control the weather! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Right! You BELIEVE in deities. You don't KNOW that there are deities >>>like you KNOW that the Sun will rise out of the East every morning. >> Right, all evidence demands it. >All evidence demands that deities are the creations of humans to explain the >unknown - and to control the weather! Ok, what evidence do you have? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Right! You BELIEVE in deities. You don't KNOW that there are deities >>>>like you KNOW that the Sun will rise out of the East every morning. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ok, what evidence do you have? Over and over again. It is your duty to support your positive claim that deities exist. I don't have to try to prove the non existance of deities . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>Right! You BELIEVE in deities. You don't KNOW that there are deities >>>>>like you KNOW that the Sun will rise out of the East every morning. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Over and over again. It is your duty to support your positive claim that >deities exist. I don't have to try to prove the non existance of deities . Over and over again, I've asked you to substantiate your superstition. And you still refuse to. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:25:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And you > still refuse to. Diversion from subject - not ususual anymore. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:25:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Diversion from subject - not ususual anymore. You picked a superstition you can't support. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:35:12 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > You picked a superstition you can't support. And you can't bring yourself to describe - coward. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Diversion from subject - not ususual anymore. >> >> You picked a superstition you can't support. >And you can't bring yourself to describe - coward. It's your superstition. You describe it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Diversion from subject - not ususual anymore. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's your superstition. You describe it. Sniveling coward. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MJHP is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> any tree, on any mountain, in any sea,under any rock, that one can find >> evidence that God doesn't exist. >Sad. God lives. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:17:15 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > God lives. Hoo Ra for our side! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:17:15 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Hoo Ra for our side! Yep, it's for all eternity for our side. For the atheist, it's also for all eternity, but the other side. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:17:15 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > all > eternity, but the other side. LOL! So the believers keep telling themselves. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Hoo Ra for our side! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >LOL! So the believers keep telling themselves. You'll find out for sure one moment after you die when you stand before God to answer for what you did while in the flesh. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Hoo Ra for our side! >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > God to > answer for what you did while in the flesh. Are you prepared for theGreat White Hankerchief? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>Hoo Ra for our side! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Are you prepared for theGreat White Hankerchief? No evidence. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** alt.Atheism tired of Duke >>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:33:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > No evidence. Where is your evidence of "eternity?" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MumboJumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >> No evidence. >Where is your evidence of "eternity?" God. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>> No evidence. >> Where is your evidence of "eternity?" > > God. No evidence. >>>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>>> No evidence. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >No evidence. Evidence galore. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>>>> No evidence. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Evidence galore. No evidence. >>>>>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>>>>> No evidence. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No evidence. Correction. No evidence that you will accept. You're already an illogical fuckwit. Do try not to be a dishonest, illogical fuckwit. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>>>>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>>>>>> No evidence. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Correction. No evidence that you will accept. I will accept evidence, if it were given. It has, to date, never been given. >>>>>>>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>>>>>>> No evidence. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I will accept evidence, if it were given. It has, to date, never been > given. LMAO - you f.cking stupid pillock. You've done it again. You know, incredulity is the only word to describe what your posts inspire. You persistently, and I mean persistently, never without fail, make assertions that when taken to the next logical step result in total, fuckwitted, illogical absurdity. How the f.ck you can go through your entire life asserting the bullshit you do without ever once considering even the simplest of consequences is beyond all reasonable comprehension. You must be one seriously f.cked in the head idiot. At birth, were you dropped head-first onto concrete from a great height or something? Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? Yes or no? Kadaitcha's Medical Dictionary: =============================== An IDIOT is a person without understanding or ordinary mental capacity, one who does not advance beyond the mental age of three years; distinguished from a simpleton, who is capable of some mental and physical education. A SIMPLETON is one who is congenitally weak-minded yet not incapable of education; a mental defective not advancing beyond the mental age of seven years. A MORON is a feeble-minded person of higher grade than a simpleton, one who does not advance beyond the mental age of 12 years. "No. 325. H. W., aged 17. This wretched being seems to be, like the preceding ones, so deficient in nervous energy that he lies almost as powerless as though he were a mass of jelly, without a bone or a muscle in his composition. If his legs are pinched or irritated, he seems to try to move them, but scarcely draws them up an inch. If flies alight upon his face, he can hardly reach them with his hand. He sometimes rolls his head from side to side with a languid motion, and this is the most he can do in that way, for he cannot raise it up even to take food. He is fed like a sick infant, with half-chewed victuals, from a spoon. He has no speech, and apparently no knowledge of persons. When food is brought near to him, something like a smile comes over his countenance; perhaps he is made aware of it by the smell." (1848 description of an idiot, Samuel G. Howe; Rosen et al. 38-39). Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com ><snip> > > Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? > > Yes or no? In legal matters, under some conditions yes, if they are sworn witnesses in a court of law. If they are not sworn it is not admissible. If the evidence they present is of some technical nature then they must first be qualified as an expert witness in that court's jurisdiction. If this testimony is not presented by the witnesses themselves, it is not considered evidecne and in general would be dismissed as hearsay. However scholarly and scientific evidence is of a different nature and in general the answer would be no. I once had a student in a SCUBA class say that a shark swam between him and the person next to him. Nobody else saw this, including me and I was swimming behind the class. Was his testimony as a witness a form of evidence? I'm asking this because it is a prime example of why the answer in general would be no. The visibility was about 20 feet. The location was the breakwater in Monterey, California. He saw a shark. *Everybody* else, including me, saw a bird swim between them. And yes, birds do swim underwater, frequently by flapping their wings and are quite fast. > ><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > In legal matters, under some conditions yes, if they are sworn witnesses > in a court of law. DanielSan needs you to respond for him, does he? You get stopped at your first logical error. > If they are not sworn it is not admissible. > If the evidence they present is of some technical nature then they must [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > However scholarly and scientific evidence<BITCHSLAP> Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. So, Painter, like all alt.atheism atheist fuckwits, you need to define an acceptable level of evidence that does not entail a logical fallacy on your part. Go on, hop to it. Define an acceptable level of evidence that does not entail a logical fallacy on your part. London to a bucket of your mashed brains says you can't do it. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > London to a bucket of your mashed brains says you can't do it. Sorry I can only repeat what the legal system, science and scholarship agrees on. Why do I think he just learned a big word and wants to use it a lot? >>>> <snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Sorry I can only repeat what the legal system, science and scholarship > agrees on. So, what branch of science are you aware of that establishes rules of evidence that lead directly to logical error? > Why do I think You don't. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com > "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So, what branch of science are you aware of that establishes rules of > evidence that lead directly to logical error? There are none >> Why do I think > > You don't. Always hard to decide on droll or drool with such a clever response. >> "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > >>> Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > There are none Well then, you can't logically demand "scientific evidence" for a Metaphysical X? Can you? Hmmmm? A Metaphysical X cannot be emperically tested in a physical realm. Can it? Hm? So much for your unthinking parroting of "what the legal system, science and scholarship agrees on." Are you getting it yet? metaphysical adjective. 1. pertaining to or of the nature of metaphysics; "metaphysical philosophy" 2. without material form or substance Now, armed with the knowledge that it is illogical to demand scientific evidence of something without material form or substance, which I have now kindly imparted to your unthinking self, have another go at defining an acceptable level of evidence that does not entail a logical fallacy on your part. Alternatively, please feel free to propose a K0OkTHEORY of how it is possible to scientifically inspect something that is without material form or substance. >>> Why do I think >> >> You don't. > > Always hard to decide on droll or drool with such a clever response. Ask your wet-nurse to empty your drool bowl just in case. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>> "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>>> Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Well then, you can't logically demand "scientific evidence" for a > Metaphysical X? Can you? Hmmmm? Read the question you asked. Get help if needed. It asked about evidence. > A Metaphysical X cannot be emperically tested in a physical realm. > Can it? Hm? This and the rest of this post has nothing to do with the question you asked about testimony being evidence. >>>> "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>>>> Logical fallacy of hypostatisation. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Read the question you asked. Get help if needed. > It asked about evidence. Un-f.cking-believable. It was you who introduced "scientific evidence", remember? "However scholarly and scientific evidence is of a different nature and in general the answer would be no." >> A Metaphysical X cannot be emperically tested in a physical realm. >> Can it? Hm? > This and the rest of this post has nothing to do with the question you > asked about testimony being evidence. Oh, my. How deep is your denial? The whole of your demands for evidence have been blown out of the water and your fragile little psyche can't handle it. About this, which you ever so conveniently snipped: [QUOTE] Now, armed with the knowledge that it is illogical to demand scientific evidence of something without material form or substance, which I have now kindly imparted to your unthinking self, have another go at defining an acceptable level of evidence that does not entail a logical fallacy on your part. [/QUOTE] A different point is being raised, Painter. You can't snip the point merely because you don't like the way it's going to severely damage your credibility as an alleged thinker. You have insisted on demanding evidence for a Metaphysical X, so if you want the evidence for a Metaphysical X, I will give it you, but you must define a level of evidence that does not prove you to be the ilogical atheist fuckwit you should at least suspect you are. So, Painter, define an acceptable level of evidence that does not entail a logical error on your part, and in return, I will give you the evidence you've been looking for. What can be fairer? Hmmm? Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com Here's the question you asked, Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? > Yes or no? I answered it and you started yapping about the metaphysical again. "Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? " does not contain any of the big words you have recently acquired. Here is my answer to your question. " In legal matters, under some conditions yes, if they are sworn witnesses in a court of law. If they are not sworn it is not admissible. If the evidence they present is of some technical nature then they must first be qualified as an expert witness in that court's jurisdiction. If this testimony is not presented by the witnesses themselves, it is not considered evidence and in general would be dismissed as hearsay. However scholarly and scientific evidence is of a different nature and in general the answer would be no. I snipped an example of why the answer would be, in general, no because it would require you to learn another big word. > Here's the question you asked, > Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I snipped an example of why the answer would be, in general, no because > it would require you to learn another big word. And yet again, "A different point is [was] being raised". "So, Painter, define an acceptable level of evidence that does not entail a logical error on your part, and in return, I will give you the evidence you've been looking for." Define an acceptable level of evidence, Painter. Or would you rather tacitly admit that you have no interest whatsoever in scholarly discussions with theists, and instead prefer to troll them based on your invalid assumption that they can't see through the massive holes in your illogical arguments? If you don't take up the offer of getting the evidence you've been looking for, it can only be that it is true that you want only to troll theists, not rationally discuss ideas. Choose, Painter. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >> Here's the question you asked, >> Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > And yet again, "A different point is [was] being raised". Perhaps in your mind, I responded to your question. > "So, Painter, define an acceptable level of evidence that does not > entail a logical error on your part, and in return, I will give you > the evidence you've been looking for." In what field? In the legal field, my measurement of the width of one road was accepted and since it was less than the width of the road in question and paved from curb to curb, all charges were dropped. That was accaprable evidence. > Define an acceptable level of evidence, Painter. > > Or would you rather tacitly admit that you have no interest > whatsoever in scholarly discussions with theists, and instead prefer > to troll them based on your invalid assumption that they can't see > through the massive holes in your illogical arguments? I would be if any were about. > If you don't take up the offer of getting the evidence you've been > looking for, it can only be that it is true that you want only to > troll theists, not rationally discuss ideas. > > Choose, Painter. >>> Here's the question you asked, >>> Are the testimonies of witnesses a form of evidence? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > and since it was less than the width of the road in question and paved > from curb to curb, all charges were dropped. That was accaprable evidence. Nobody could deliberately be that stupid. >> Define an acceptable level of evidence, Painter. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would be if any were about. <shrug> >> If you don't take up the offer of getting the evidence you've been >> looking for, it can only be that it is true that you want only to >> troll theists, not rationally discuss ideas. >> >> Choose, Painter. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>> <snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Why do I think he just learned a big word and wants to use it a lot? And he keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means. > I do not think Finally, you got something right. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >> I do not think > > Finally, you got something right. No wonder you defend Earl, you behave like him Get a childish idea and repeat it ad nausea. >>> I do not think >> >> Finally, you got something right. > > No wonder you defend Earl, That must've really upset you. > you behave like him > Get a childish idea and repeat it ad nausea. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>>> I do not think >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That must've really upset you. Not at all. His stupidity is well documented and your supporting him shows the kind of person you defend. He's the kind of person who will find a web site, use it to ddefend a position and ignore all the literature that says he and the site are wrong. He claims to know more than doctors "My comment: >Sure and the docs and books are all wrong. So are the kids that laugh at >your knowledge of medical knowledge. >You are right and they all are wrong. Dukes reply Yeah, that's pretty much the case. " He will argue for and against the same thing. The thread where he was offered advice on how to solve his becoming an open relay, because of his stupidity is a classic of "I know more than all of you" He is a small minded bigoted Christian who likes to watch little children at children's masses and is afraid to even admit where he went to school. Your defending such scum is a demonstration of who you are. >> you behave like him >> Get a childish idea and repeat it ad nausea. >>>>> I do not think >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not at all. Oh, yes, at all... > His stupidity is well documented Funny enough, so is yours. This thread contains empirical evidence of numerous attempts to get you to understand the logical error you create by demanding physically substantial evidence of something that has no physical substance. > and your supporting him shows the kind of person you defend. > He's the kind of person who will find a web site, use it to ddefend a > position and ignore all the literature that says he and the site are > wrong. So, you haven't ignored all the logical arguments that say you're an illogical atheist fuckhead then? > He claims to know more than doctors You implied that you knww as much as "the legal system, science and scholarship agrees on" wrt to evidence and still ended up with your knickers around your ankles. > "My comment: >>Sure and the docs and books are all wrong. So are the kids that laugh at [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > He is a small minded bigoted Christian So what? You are an illogical fuckwit. You're even. > who likes to watch little children at children's masses and is afraid to > even admit where he went to school. > > Your defending such scum is a demonstration of who you are. I defended the substance his argument, and I am still defending it. I challenge you to show where I defended him. Now, tell me again that you weren't upset, k0oKy. Signaturealt.usenet.kooks "We are arrant knaves all, believe none of us." Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 [129] Hammer of Thor: February 2007. Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005, April 2006, January 2007. Official Member: Cabal Obsidian Order COOSN-124-07-06660 Official Overseer of Kooks & Trolls in 24hoursupport.helpdesk Member of: Usenet Ruiner List Top a.sholes on the Net List Most hated usenetizens of all time List Cog in the AUK Hate Machine List Find me on Google Maps: 24°39'47.13"S, 134°4'20.18"E "If it is non-empirical, then it does not exist." "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> asserting that his mind does not exist. news:IpydnUYo8ssX54zVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com >>> I do not think >> >> Finally, you got something right. > >No wonder you defend Earl, you behave like him >Get a childish idea and repeat it ad nausea. You mean like there could have been no global flood because of hate partial pressure of air - that's one of your's, painter. But the best one, bad for an emt like you, is that the heart is NOT controlled by tiny electrical signals. Actually I should say for the patients you treat in your ambulance that you got from the ghost busters. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> I do not think >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You mean like there could have been no global flood because of hate partial >pressure of air - that's one of your's, painter. The evidence is clear that there was no global flood of the sort in the Noah legend. >But the best one, bad for an emt like you, is that the heart is NOT controlled >by tiny electrical signals. Actually I should say for the patients you treat in >your ambulance that you got from the ghost busters. You celebrate your hatred of people. <snip> >>> No wonder you defend Earl, you behave like him >>> Get a childish idea and repeat it ad nausea. >> >> You mean like there could have been no global flood because of hate >> partial pressure of air - that's one of your's, painter. This is a valid piece of evidence and Earl did not seem to be able to show the reason, something a high school physics student could do. > The evidence is clear that there was no global flood of the sort in > the Noah legend. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> the patients you treat in your ambulance that you got from the ghost >> busters. This is a flat lie and comes from the discussion as to the function of the defibrillator (AED.in particular) He claims it starts the heart. Those who know something about the subject know this is not true. Those who know or look up the meaning of the word "defibrilate" can get an idea... At a conference some time after this an ER doc mentioned in passing that in 12 years he had never seen a flat line convert. Anecdotal for sure but probably true. > <snip> >>>> No wonder you defend Earl, you behave like him [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >This is a valid piece of evidence and Earl did not seem to be able to show >the reason, something a high school physics student could do. Mikey, you still have figured out your error after all these years. >> The evidence is clear that there was no global flood of the sort in >> the Noah legend. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> the patients you treat in your ambulance that you got from the ghost >>> busters. >This is a flat lie and comes from the discussion as to the function of the >defibrillator (AED.in particular) >He claims it starts the heart. You claimed that tiny electrical currents did not control the heart. >Those who know something about the subject know this is not true. I know something about the heart; you as an emt clearly need to go back to school. >Those who know or look up the meaning of the word "defibrilate" can get an >idea... >At a conference some time after this an ER doc mentioned in passing that in >12 years he had never seen a flat line convert. Anecdotal for sure but >probably true. Run, painterboy, run. You said it, now live with it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>You mean like there could have been no global flood because of hate partial >>pressure of air - that's one of your's, painter. >The evidence is clear that there was no global flood of the sort in the >Noah legend. What evidence? >>But the best one, bad for an emt like you, is that the heart is NOT controlled >>by tiny electrical signals. Actually I should say for the patients you treat in >>your ambulance that you got from the ghost busters. >You celebrate your hatred of people. How would you like him to arrive at your accident and "Hi, I'm your emt. Is your heart still in your foot?" duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>> Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>>>> No evidence. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Evidence galore. None that anyone has ever been able to produce. SignatureBob. >>>>Are you prepared for the Great White Hankerchief? >>> No evidence. >>Where is your evidence of "eternity?" > > God. Superstition. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MumboJumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> Hoo Ra for our side! >>>>> Yep, it's for all eternity for our side. For the atheist, it's also for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No evidence. Actually, ALL evidence demands the existence of the coming of the Great White Handkerchief. >>>>>>> Hoo Ra for our side! >>>>>> Yep, it's for all eternity for our side. For the atheist, it's also for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Actually, ALL evidence demands the existence of the coming of the Great >White Handkerchief. Nane that evidence in 3 notes or less. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>> Hoo Ra for our side! >>>>>>> Yep, it's for all eternity for our side. For the atheist, it's also for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Nane that evidence in 3 notes or less. All evidence. >>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > evidence > that God doesn't exist. No, there is no evidence that anything - ANYTHING - does NOT exist. There can only be evidence that things DO exist. You have failed to provide any evidence that your superstition DOES exist. You will have to learn to deal with this fact. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>. Superstition, one of the main pillars of Catholicism. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >evidence that your superstition DOES exist. You will have to learn to deal >with this fact. Nope, you have to learn that I gave you the answer multiple times and you lack the faculties to see the answer. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:17:15 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > lack > the faculties to see the answer. Same old dodge. . . . Wait, bananas, right? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:17:15 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Wait, bananas, right? Swoosh, right over your head after all this time. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:33:34 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Swoosh, right over your head after all this time. A broken record - AGAIN. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>Wait, bananas, right? >> Swoosh, right over your head after all this time. >A broken record - AGAIN. . . . A broken banana, AGAIN. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > duke, In other words, duke doesn't have a clue. >>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > In other words, duke doesn't have a clue. Duke doesn't have a brain. He is a lonely old man, with no friends, and comes to this newsgroup for excitement. Sad. >>>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Duke doesn't have a brain. He is a lonely old man, with no friends, and > comes to this newsgroup for excitement. Sad. I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. On top of the toerag you took yesterday??????? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. > > On top of the toerag you took yesterday??????? > > duke, Yes, and the duke really smelled bad. >>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Yes, and the duke really smelled bad. Sticking your nose in it again? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > duke, Hell no! You can smell a duke from miles away. >>>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Hell no! You can smell a duke from miles away. But you stuck your nose in anyway. Why? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > duke, Its difficult not to, when YOU come into newsgroups , where YOU aren't wanted, and through YOUR useless sh.t all over the place. >>>>>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Its difficult not to, when YOU come into newsgroups , where YOU aren't >wanted, and through YOUR useless sh.t all over the place. I'm a Roman Catholic posting in the Roman Catholic ng. Now you were saying, toe boy? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > duke, You are one stupid f.ck. The number one header that you are posting to is alt.atheism. >>>>>>>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>>>>>>>On top of the toerag you took yesterday??????? >>>>>>>Yes, and the duke really smelled bad. >>>>>>Sticking your nose in it again? >>>>>Hell no! You can smell a duke from miles away. >>>>But you stuck your nose in anyway. Why? >>>Its difficult not to, when YOU come into newsgroups , where YOU aren't >>>wanted, and through YOUR useless sh.t all over the place. >> I'm a Roman Catholic posting in the Roman Catholic ng. >> Now you were saying, toe boy? >You are one stupid f.ck. The number one header that you are posting to >is alt.atheism. No, it isn't. I'm posting from the Roman Catholic ng, dummy. It sounds amongst your friends that you are too stupid to realize that. Heeheeheeheeheehee. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>>>>I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > No, it isn't. I'm posting from the Roman Catholic ng, dummy. You are a fool. You are posting from your computer, moron. You are posting TO ALL of the newsgroups in the header. YOU are computer illiterate and mentally challenged. >>>>>>>> Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I just sat down on the toilet and took a huge duke. Flush and run! >> In other words, duke doesn't have a clue. >Duke doesn't have a brain. He is a lonely old man, with no friends, and >comes to this newsgroup for excitement. Sad. But even with no brain, xx, I have a superior knowledge data base than you do. Lonely I'm not, with friends everywhere I turn - family, church, hospital, golf, health club, and on and on and on. Haahaahaahaahaahaa. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Haahaahaahaahaahaa. Wrong! You just sit around and masturbate to pictures of little boys. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >Wrong! You just sit around and masturbate to pictures of little boys. Are you a peeping tom? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>In other words, duke doesn't have a clue. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > duke, American-American > ***** Why? Does that sort of thing interest you? >>>Wrong! You just sit around and masturbate to pictures of little boys. >> Are you a peeping tom? >Why? Does that sort of thing interest you? No, but you clearly implied you were one. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Wrong! You just sit around and masturbate to pictures of little boys. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No, but you clearly implied you were one. Only to your warped way of thinking, pervert. >>>>>Wrong! You just sit around and masturbate to pictures of little boys. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Only to your warped way of thinking, pervert. But he's the one that said he was peeping tom material. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>Wrong! You just sit around and masturbate to pictures of little boys. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > But he's the one that said he was peeping tom material. Wrong....you have lost it dookie. YOU were the only one talking about a peeping Tom. Now go back to your glory hole confessional. >>>>>>Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > In other words, duke doesn't have a clue. For real proof of the existence of deities, you have to climb a banana tree. >>>>>>Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >In other words, duke doesn't have a clue..... .....why anyone would follow satan thru life like you do. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > .....why anyone would follow satan thru life like you do. Why would anyone go around mumbling to himself thru life like you do? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MumboJumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>In other words, duke doesn't have a clue..... >> .....why anyone would follow satan thru life like you do. >Why would anyone go around mumbling to himself thru life like you do? I'm praying to God. What are you praying to? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>In other words, duke doesn't have a clue..... >>> .....why anyone would follow satan thru life like you do. > >>Why would anyone go around mumbling to himself thru life like you do? > > I'm praying to God. Well that is what you BELIEVE, but it looks more like you are mumbling to yourself. > What are you praying to? I don't mumble to myself. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> I'm praying to God. >Well that is what you BELIEVE, but it looks more like you are mumbling to >yourself. I'm speaking in tongues with the Holy Spirit. >> What are you praying to? >I don't mumble to myself. You don't show any intelligence either. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> I'm praying to God. >>Well that is what you BELIEVE, but it looks more like you are mumbling to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You don't show any intelligence either. Wow! Am I ever intimidated by that one. . . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> I'm praying to God. >>> Well that is what you BELIEVE, but it looks more like you are mumbling to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wow! Am I ever intimidated by that one. . . . . The sad thing is, duke uses insults as a tool of obfuscation. And he's not that good at it. >>>>> I'm praying to God. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The sad thing is, duke uses insults as a tool of obfuscation. And he's > not that good at it. He says that he is so religious and full of God, yet he is the exact opposite. He is full of prejudice and hate. Poor boy is really f.cked up. >>>>>>>Just pointing out your superstition to you. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > .....why anyone would follow satan thru life like you do. No satan, no god. You still don't have a clue. > >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:38:19 -0400, "Dan Listermann" > ><dan@listermann.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Much, much more so for atheism. • I don't see that. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I >> get back is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > unable to back up your most cherished beliefs with anything more than > "Ya have' ta belieeeeeeve, be fo ya can belieeeeeeev!" His "formal" responses stopped some time ago when the stupitity of them was pointed out. If you followed his little adventure when he opened an e-mail after "accidentally" turning his virus scanner off and not having a three year old at the time patch, you would have seen his stupidity is not limited to religion. The end result was becoming an open relay, having to move to cox.net and buying a new hard drive. He could have followed the suggestions given him here. >>> I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I >>> get back is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >His "formal" responses stopped some time ago when the stupitity of them was >pointed out. Remember, mikey, the heart is controlled by tiny electrical currents. As an emt, you should not go around denying same. It's bad for your business. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>But, yes, Duke is Doing It Wrong. He comes off like Fr. Whiskey or Sr. >>Mary Cranky getting a bit testy with the cut-ups of the teens in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >news groups for 10 years now. There are the mentally challenged youth that are >incapable of discussing anything. And it took you ten whole years to figure out that a lot of people in alt.atheism don't really want to discuss anything? And you're still doing it? If I'd seen this in April, when it was posted, I would have considered nominating you for the AUK "Custer Kicked a.s!" award, or one of the other ones celebrating bootless battles. And this doesn't exactly negate my observation about Fr. O'Whiskey getting cranky. *coff* *coff* >The attillas, fischers, klungs, carnovas, syds, seebrees, etc are all too >physically and/or mentally/psychologically immature to get past one simple >thought, be it "lying", or "butt f_ucking priests", >or "prove/prove/prove God exists", etc that after a while one can only >throw up his hands and see if you can't get them to move along. Why should the atheists move out of alt.atheism? Why should people who have bad experiences with the RCC move out of alt.recovery.catholic? Why should the JWs move out of arj-w? You're the one who looks out of place. Mind you, YOU could get them to "move along" by getting a real newsreader. 1) add alt.atheism to killfile 2) ??? 3) PROFIT well not really profit but it would both be ecogroovy by not wasting server space and bandwidth and keep you from developing RSI. Also (and this is important) it's what YOU can actually control. Sack up, man. >I no longer waste my time with much of a formal response when all I get back is >"prove a God exists" over and over and over with no more thought than that. Why bother at all? It's long descended into is is not is is not is is not is is not and you've got a bigger audience than them. If you can't do it cleverly (and you're not), for the love of the sweet Baby Jesus and his Blessed Mother, FIND ANOTHER HOBBY. Maybe one that glorifies God and actually witnesses for the faith for a change. Go sort cans at the food bank or something. Personally I think you're long overdue for a grownup Bible study and church history class, *not* taught by a Fr. O'Whiskey and/or Sister Mary Cranky. Your ignorance of *basics* is an embarassment to the thinking Christians reading you. Disengage your keyboard and engage your brain. (As a side benefit, it really confuses the one-trick alt.atheism ponies when you don't play to their script. Right now, you *are* playing their game, and you're ALL losing because you ALL look stupid and petty.) Right now every time I read one of your posts I think of a bit from a Bill Hicks routine. Quatloos to anyone who can correctly identify it (reminds me, I should see if it's on Youtube somewhere). Charlotte -- >>>>>As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God in >>>>>3 [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Charlotte Yup.....he is turning people away from his faith. >>> As well as any person is able to understand the Holy Trinity - one God >>> in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I no longer see you as capable of understanding. I never said that I was capable of comprehending superstitions. This is not a problem for me. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. > >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any reasonable > person to understand it? • "If you understand it, it is not God." - - Saint Augustine (354 - 430), Sermon 117 Catholicism could not possibly have a better advocate / apologist than Earl - "Duke". SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any reasonable >> person to understand it? 1+1+1=1. Any reasonable person can understand that. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Any reasonable person can understand that. Clearly, you have decided to pervert the meaning of the word reasonable. Signature"... There's glory for you." "I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiles contemptuously. "Of course you don't--till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'" "But glory doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument," Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all." >>>> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >Clearly, you have decided to pervert the meaning of the word reasonable. Christians understand. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>In article <v3sLj.1238$pS4.955@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike >>>>Painter" [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Christians understand. If that is your superstition, you can understand it. To the rest of us, it is a gut busting belly laugh! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>1+1+1=1. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >If that is your superstition, you can understand it. To the rest of us, it >is a gut busting belly laugh! I'm having a gut busting belly laugh at your superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>1+1+1=1. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm having a gut busting belly laugh at your superstition. I am glad you are. Care to describe my "superstition?" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > 1+1+1=1. You are a moron. >> 1+1+1=1. > >You are a moron. This is what God said. Are you calling God a moron? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> 1+1+1=1. >> >>You are a moron. > >This is what God said. Are you calling God a moron? God never said that. You know that. >>>> 1+1+1=1. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >God never said that. You know that. It comes directly from God, free. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> 1+1+1=1. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >It comes directly from God, free. You _know_ you are lying. >>> 1+1+1=1. >> >>You are a moron. > > This is what God said. Are you calling God a moron? Through Earl's heart phone. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>1+1+1=1. >> >>You are a moron. > > This is what God said. Are you calling God a moron? There is no god.....YOU are the moron. > >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. > >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Any reasonable person can understand that. • new math. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >> >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > new math. Divine revelation. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>> >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Divine revelation. Indefensible religious doctrine. >>>> >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>> >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Indefensible religious doctrine. Divine revelation. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>>> >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Divine revelation. Where? Certainly _not_ the Bible. >>>>>> >In article <v3sLj.1238$pS4.955@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike >>>>>> >Painter" [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> > Where? Certainly _not_ the Bible. Heart phone. > >>>>>> >> Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any > >>>>>reasonable [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Heart phone. and day twenty of the in depth dialog on trinitarism is thusly summed up is is not is is not is is not is is not is is not is is not is is not is is not arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins sacramento - political pigsty of the western world or a babys arm holding an apple >> >>>>>> >> Earl, can you explain the trinity in a manner that will allow any >> >>>>>reasonable [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > is > is not And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". Don't need to. It is the guys who say "is" that need to show evidence. Basic logic. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". > >Don't need to. It is the guys who say "is" that need to show evidence. >Basic logic. So support your superstitious beliefs. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". >> >>Don't need to. It is the guys who say "is" that need to show evidence. >>Basic logic. > > So support your superstitious beliefs. Diversion. You are the guy with the "is" beliefs, it is your job to support them, not mine to prove the "is not." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Diversion. You are the guy with the "is" beliefs, it is your job to support >them, not mine to prove the "is not." Your's is superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Your's is superstition. So you keep saying with out exercising the responsibility of saying why. You won't get far doing that, now will you? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Your's is superstition. >So you keep saying with out exercising the responsibility of saying why. >You won't get far doing that, now will you? And now you know why no one listens to you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Your's is superstition. > >>So you keep saying with out exercising the responsibility of saying why. >>You won't get far doing that, now will you? > > And now you know why no one listens to you. Non-answer! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > >>> Your's is superstition. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Non-answer! day twenty-seven of this ever thrilling debate is so is not is so is not is so is not is so is not is so is not is so is not is so is not tune into tomorrow when our heros say is so is not is so is not arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins sacramento - political pigsty of the western world or a babys arm holding an apple >>>>>Your's is superstition. >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > sacramento - political pigsty of the western world > or a babys arm holding an apple Duke gives me the biggest hard-on. I wonder if he has sex, preacher style? >>>>>> Your's is superstition. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Duke gives me the biggest hard-on. I wonder if he has sex, preacher style? Don't know about that, but he has had sex with a preacher. >>>>>And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Your's is superstition. You f.cking retard!!!!! Disbelief is not superstition. >>>>>>And danny can't offer any evidence for his "is not". >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >You f.cking retard!!!!! Disbelief is not superstition. listerman is living out his superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > listerman is living out his superstition. But you refuse to try to explain how, don't you? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >But you refuse to try to explain how, don't you? Done. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Done. LOL! Do again, just for us, OK? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> Your's is superstition. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Done. >LOL! Do again, just for us, OK? Nope, I'm tired of explaining to village idiots like you that never pay attention long enough to remember the many times I said it before. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> Your's is superstition. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nope, I'm tired of explaining to village idiots like you that never pay > attention long enough to remember the many times I said it before. Nope, you don't have any explaination so you keep saying that you already did it and we are too stupid to understand it anyway. It is just a stupid dodge. Whould you believe that we are getting tired of this spiel and you really need to work out a new one. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>>> Your's is superstition. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Nope, I'm tired of explaining to village idiots like you that never pay >> attention long enough to remember the many times I said it before. >Nope, you don't have any explaination so you keep saying that you already >did it and we are too stupid to understand it anyway. Yep, that's pretty much it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:00:44 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Yep, that's pretty much it. I am sure you realize that it makes your argument appear very weak and ineffective, don't you? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:00:44 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>Pope Paul VI >>***** Yep, it's pretty much the best I can do. With the limited use of my small brain. duke, American-Retard ***** "The Duke is the most perfect form of a Moron." Pope Ron Paul I ***** >>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:00:44 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >I am sure you realize that it makes your argument appear very weak and >ineffective, don't you? In your case, it doesn't take much. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>>>>You f.cking retard!!!!! Disbelief is not superstition. Damn, you got me. I have the superstition of a supreme being that watchs over us and lets us rape and kill each other, in his name. Because you don't believe in this same fictitious character, would actually mean that you don't have superstitions. Man what a jackass I have been. I've just been so blinded by my wild superstition that I couldn't see the truth. duke, American-Dumb-a.s ***** "The a.s is the most perfect form of Vagina." Pope dukie VI ***** >>>>>>>>>>> You f.cking retard!!!!! Disbelief is not superstition. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Pope dukie VI > ***** I agree with you 100%. >>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:12:06 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > In your case, it doesn't take much. Ha ha . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > >>>>>> Your's is superstition. > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nope, I'm tired of explaining to village idiots like you that never pay > attention long enough to remember the many times I said it before. • "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - - - Joseph Goebbels SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >>>>>> 1+1+1=1. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>Divine revelation. >Where? Certainly _not_ the Bible. The _Bible_ is the script of the Divine Revelation. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> 1+1+1=1. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The _Bible_ is the script of the Divine Revelation. So they believe . . .May I repeat - BELIEVE - not know, just believe. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>>>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense >>>>>>>>>>> though. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Indefensible religious doctrine. It is not the religious doctrine of his church, just revelation made to him. >>> Divine revelation. >> Indefensible religious doctrine. >It is not the religious doctrine of his church, just revelation made to him. It's divine revelation. No, it's not doctrine. It's dogma. Mikey is smelling too much brake fluid these days. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > It is not the religious doctrine of his church, just revelation made to him. In a mosquito induced bayou fever -- C. Marietta de Medici Villa Medici Gallese Lesbian: Tribade, Sapphist, Dyke, Practitioner of That Love Which Dare Not Speak It's Name, Member of the Heterodoxy Club, "The Medicis: Banking, Metaphysics and Art" >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >In a mosquito induced bayou fever World wide. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> >In article <v3sLj.1238$pS4.955@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike >>>> >Painter" [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Indefensible religious doctrine. There are other kinds? >>> >In article <v3sLj.1238$pS4.955@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>, "Mike >>> >Painter" [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Divine revelation. Made up. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > >> >> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. > >> >> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Divine revelation. • The RC God needs Remedial Math 101. 19-yr old man in court for impregnating his 15-yr old girlfriend: "But your honor, it wasn't me, it was one of my other personalities." cheers Duke / Earl SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org Basis for a fairy tale. > Basis for a fairy tale. • Sure, but without this fairytale, people would not feel compelled to come to an RC church to supposedly be forgiven for their sins and contribute monies to help pay off altar-boys with irresistibly cute butts. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> Basis for a fairy tale. > > Sure, but without this fairytale, people would not feel compelled to >come to an RC church to supposedly be forgiven for their sins and >contribute monies to help pay off altar-boys with irresistibly cute butts. Not supposedly. Jesus said so. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> Basis for a fairy tale. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not supposedly. Jesus said so. • Translation: The men with boy lust that you trust. said so. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> Basis for a fairy tale. >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > Translation: The men with boy lust that you trust. said so. Nope. Unlike you, I'm a Christian, and I believe Jesus. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> >In article <vaCdnUiptJN3f53VnZ2dnUVZ_vHinZ2d@earthlink.com>, C M de >>> >Medici [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nope. Unlike you, I'm a Christian, and I believe Jesus. Just like a child believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> >In article <vaCdnUiptJN3f53VnZ2dnUVZ_vHinZ2d@earthlink.com>, C M de >>>> >Medici [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Just like a child believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy! No, Santa and the Tooth Fairy are for children like you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> Basis for a fairy tale. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nope. Unlike you, I'm a Christian, and I believe Jesus. • You are way older than I am. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> Basis for a fairy tale. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > You are way older than I am. You do have an immature mind. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> Basis for a fairy tale. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You do have an immature mind. • alas SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >In article <vaCdnUiptJN3f53VnZ2dnUVZ_vHinZ2d@earthlink.com>, C M >de Medici [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > alas You can do something about it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> >In article <vaCdnUiptJN3f53VnZ2dnUVZ_vHinZ2d@earthlink.com>, C M > >de Medici [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >• Sure, but without this fairytale, people would not feel compelled to > >> >> >> >come to an RC church to supposedly be forgiven for their sins and > >> >> >> >contribute monies to help pay off altar-boys with irresistibly [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You can do something about it. • HGH? SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >> >In article <vaCdnUiptJN3f53VnZ2dnUVZ_vHinZ2d@earthlink.com>, C M >> >de Medici [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> > HGH? Do you? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:44:13 -0700, 2@vc.net (•R. L. Measures) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >In article <vaCdnUiptJN3f53VnZ2dnUVZ_vHinZ2d@earthlink.com>, C M > >> >de Medici [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Do you? • Definitely not. I'm tall enough. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:44:13 -0700, 2@vc.net (R. L. >Measures) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> > Definitely not. I'm tall enough. Then you can remain with an immature mind. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:18:35 -0700, 2@vc.net (•R. L. Measures) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:44:13 -0700, 2@vc.net (•R. L. > >Measures) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Then you can remain with an immature mind. • Matt. 18:3: "Truly I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:18:35 -0700, 2@vc.net (R. L. >Measures) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Matt. 18:3: "Truly I say to you, unless you turn and become like >children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." But you said you're not a Christian. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:38:25 -0700, 2@vc.net (•R. L. Measures) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:18:35 -0700, 2@vc.net (•R. L. > >Measures) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >• Translation: The men with boy lust that you trust. said so. > >> >> >> >> >> Nope. Unlike you, I'm a Christian, and I believe Jesus. > >> >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > But you said you're not a Christian. • Christianity was invented in the 4th Century. The rabbi who called himself the son of man died c. AD28. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >> >> You do have an immature mind. >> >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> But you said you're not a Christian. > Christianity was invented in the 4th Century. The rabbi who called >himself the son of man died c. AD28. Actually, The Christian Church was started by Christ in 33AD (or even AD28) based on the Holy Mass, the 7 sacraments, and the Papacy. The Christian Chruch was legalized in 325AD, but it officially started in 33AD (AD28). Better luck next time. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> >> >> You do have an immature mind. > >> >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Better luck next time. • Look ma, everybody's out of step except our Johnny. - bill Mauldin SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org .R. L. Measures wrote: >> Basis for a fairy tale. > > . Sure, but without this fairytale, people would not feel compelled > to come to an RC church to supposedly be forgiven for their sins and > contribute monies to help pay off altar-boys with irresistibly cute > butts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k explans it all. No liquids near keyboard while watching. > .R. L. Measures wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k explans it all. ** and in no uncertain terms. > No liquids near keyboard while watching. ** Indeed. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >>> >>>>> I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>> >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > 1+1+1=1. That does not even work in Base One. > Any reasonable person can understand that. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> Earl has always amde such statements and yet on teh few occasions >>>> he does do [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That does not even work in Base One. It's true in Boolean algebra. 1 =1 1 + 1 = 1 1+ 1+ 1 +.............. + 1 = 1 Earl's use to try to explain it however is based on what the nuns taught him >>>>>I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >OK, how about this, you are incapable of making it understandable to me - >and just about anybody else who does not already buy into your superstition? I don't have a superstition - you do. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't have a superstition - you do. Nobody who has a superstition thinks that they have a superstition. You believe that your superstition is very real. Well that is fine, but you should be able to offer a "data base" that demonstrates why you superstition is not a superstition. So far you have managed to blert out "the Big Bang" and bananas. Nobody was impressed. I offered dog anni, but that was not recieved well. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>>I think Duke just likes to talk. He never makes any sense though. >>>>>> That's because everything I say is well over your head. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Nobody who has a superstition thinks that they have a superstition. That's exactly right, danny boy. You don't think you have a superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:09:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > That's exactly right, danny boy. You don't think you have a superstition. Not like you do. Tell us all about MY superstition! I am all ears. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> I don't have a superstition - you do. >>>Nobody who has a superstition thinks that they have a superstition. >> That's exactly right, danny boy. You don't think you have a superstition. >Tell us all about MY superstition! I am all ears. That God is superstition. It's your statement. Can you prove it? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> I don't have a superstition - you do. >>>>Nobody who has a superstition thinks that they have a superstition. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It's your statement. Can you prove it? What would you call believing in something that has no evidence - superstition - what else? Bananas! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> I don't have a superstition - you do. >>>>>Nobody who has a superstition thinks that they have a superstition. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >What would you call believing in something that has no evidence - >superstition - what else? All evidence demands the existence of God. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:00:42 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > All evidence demands the existence of God. No, that is just a lazy short cut to an answer. Not a correct answer, but an answer none the less. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> All evidence demands the existence of God. > >No, that is just a lazy short cut to an answer. Not a correct answer, but >an answer none the less. But it's a truthful answer. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> All evidence demands the existence of God. >> >>No, that is just a lazy short cut to an answer. Not a correct answer, but >>an answer none the less. > > But it's a truthful answer. In being an answer, yes. In being an accurate reflection of reality, no, it is superstition. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> All evidence demands the existence of God. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >In being an answer, yes. In being an accurate reflection of reality, no, it >is superstition. That's all your views are - an empty data base full of superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:24:51 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > That's all your views are - an empty data base full of superstition. Broken record . . . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:24:51 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Broken record . . . . . Yep, that's exactly what you are. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:16:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yep, that's exactly what you are. Pitiful answer. . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:16:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>Pope Paul VI >>***** Duke never has had any kind of answer. >>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:16:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Pitiful answer. . . . But deadly accurate. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** I like to fart in elevators. >>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:13:05 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > But deadly accurate. I suppose you could say that a stupid punt is "deadly accurate," but it would not mean much. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:13:05 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >I suppose you could say that a stupid punt is "deadly accurate," but it >would not mean much. I didn't expect that you would be capable of understanding. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:13:05 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** I take it back. I knew you weren't capable of understanding my wild ramblings. When I continually talk in circles with nothing to say, it just confuses you. You see, I am so far superior to all of you, it makes me giddy. When God speaks to me I get an erection. That's why I purchase Viagra. I can keep it up for 4 hours, and we can talk for longer. He speaks to me through my penis. Please don't try to argue with me any more. You are no match to my sharp wit. duke, American-American ***** "My Gas is the most perfect form of Fart." Pope Paul VI ***** <snip> > I take it back. I knew you weren't capable of understanding my wild > ramblings. When I continually talk in circles with nothing to say, it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** Others agree with you Duke. (He used to call himself Duke Lebougre) No one can get through to douche lebougre. That is, of course, everyone else's fault -- according to douche himself. Why, he's the most mild-mannered of fellows -- he keeps telling us so. He knows about stuff. He knows more about more stuff than all of us together. Didn't you know that? He's told us often enough! Why, he even knows that the people who set up the newsgroup and wrote the charter and FAQ are the ones who should never post here.He knows that anyone who disagrees with him should leave the group immediately -- that's what he told me, and Mac, and in time will tell Apostate of Grace. It's obvious to him that a newsgroup established for ex-Catholics should welcome preachers bent on bringing us back into the fold. It's quite plain (to him) that anyone who hasn't told /him/ some overwhelmingly good reason for feeling him/herself injured at the hands of the RCC is just a weakling and a liar, badly in need of his help. And it's widely known that douche never changes anyone else's name, always reads a post to which he's replying all the way through, and never lies. He's a superb logician, never resorts to ad hominem attacks, never introduces red herrings and never changes definitions in mid post. He's great at mathematics, too. 11/9/2003 My comment: >Sure and the docs and books are all wrong. So are the kids that laugh at >your knowledge of medical knowledge. >You are right and they all are wrong. Dukes reply Yeah, that's pretty much the case. But you are really are so easy. > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> Pope Paul VI >> ***** >Others agree with you Duke. (He used to call himself Duke Lebougre) >No one can get through to douche lebougre. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Dukes reply >Yeah, that's pretty much the case. But you are really are so easy. Check out the author of that post you responded to. You just got sucked in by the duke I'm not. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Check out the author of that post you responded to. You just got sucked in by > the duke I'm not. He was replying to me, the real Duke. You are the impostor, and a stupid one at that. Now butt out! duke, American-Pedophile ***** "The a.s is the most perfect form of Priest Pussy." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> Check out the author of that post you responded to. You just got >> sucked in by the duke I'm not. Earl, I'm glad you have finally admitted that you are not duke. > He was replying to me, the real Duke. You are the impostor, and a > stupid one at that. Now butt out! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** To the real Duke. I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say "butt out" to the imposter. Are you asking him to leave or present himself? (I was under a desk on my elbows with my butt in the air while working for a GLTBQ group. The librarian walked by and wanted to know if I was advertising or just didn't know how much trouble I was in.) >>>><snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > GLTBQ group. The librarian walked by and wanted to know if I was advertising > or just didn't know how much trouble I was in.) You are correct, I used the wrong expression. Earl, please leave this group, I am not interested in anal sex with you. I prefer to go where NO man has gone before. duke, American-Pedophile ***** "The a.s is the most perfect form of Priest Vagina." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>> <snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >Earl, I'm glad you have finally admitted that you are not duke. Haahaahaahaahaahaahaa. >To the real Duke. I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say "butt out" >to the imposter. >Are you asking him to leave or present himself? >(I was under a desk on my elbows with my butt in the air while working for a >GLTBQ group. The librarian walked by and wanted to know if I was advertising >or just didn't know how much trouble I was in.) All the librarians there are men. Haahaahaahaahaa. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:24:07 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > I didn't expect that you would be capable of understanding. Of coarse not. Ya gots' ta believe, be foo ya can believe! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:24:51 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Yep, that's exactly what you are. I know you are, but what am I ? Tag ....your it. You've got koodies! Na na na na na I don't know the answer. I have a superstitious belief in a god, with absolutely no physical proof. Ring around the rosie. duke, American-Child ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Superstition." Ron Paul VI ***** >>>>>All evidence demands the existence of God. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's all your views are - an empty data base full of superstition. An empty data base, is the lack of superstition. Non-belief is also the lack of superstition. >> That's all your views are - an empty data base full of superstition. > > An empty data base, is the lack of superstition. Non-belief is also > the lack of superstition. An emty thing that is full is just drunk earl talk. >>> That's all your views are - an empty data base full of superstition. >> >> An empty data base, is the lack of superstition. Non-belief is also >> the lack of superstition. > > An emty thing that is full is just drunk earl talk. He can't help himself, it was the way he was raised. His world is defined by his superstition. You can't expect him to be reasonable about thinking about it. >>>Na na na na na I'm not going to prove anything, because I can't. You go >>>first, please, please, please. I have nothing to say, I just like to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That's because everything I say is well over your head. I don't think so,,,,retard. You don't say anything. >>>>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:06:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >>LOL! >>A real recently dead person is not evidence? What do you have? I can't wait to watch your next dance! > Never mind - you first. You have no "Data Base." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:06:23 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >I can't wait to watch your next dance! >> Never mind - you first. >You have no "Data Base." You first. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:58:50 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>> <dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > You first. More stupid evasions. You don't have any "data base" for your superstition. Admit it! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> Never mind - you first. >>>You have no "Data Base." >> You first. >More stupid evasions. You don't have any "data base" for your superstition. >Admit it! You's the evader. You agreed on 1st, and now you falter. But what else would be expected of you!!!!! duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> Never mind - you first. >>>>You have no "Data Base." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > would > be expected of you!!!!! Nice attempt to turn it around . . .yet again. . . . What is your "data base" for your superstitions? Why do you believe such nonsense? Can you express it? How can you expect someone to respect your beliefs if you can't say why you believe them? Without that, we can only assume that your beliefs are nonsense. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> Never mind - you first. >>>>>You have no "Data Base." [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >What is your "data base" for your superstitions? Holy Tradition, Holy Scripture, history, writings of others from the time period, 2000 years of continuous and unchanged belief. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> Never mind - you first. >>>>>>You have no "Data Base." [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Holy Tradition, Holy Scripture, history, writings of others from the time > period, 2000 years of continuous and unchanged belief. Have you read the 'Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy'?" It is a few decades old and changed a lot by its very real author, the late Douglas N. Adams. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>What is your "data base" for your superstitions? > >> Holy Tradition, Holy Scripture, history, writings of others from the time >> period, 2000 years of continuous and unchanged belief. >Have you read the 'Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy'?" It is a few decades >old and changed a lot by its very real author, the late Douglas N. Adams. When it comes to truth, I turn to the bible. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>What is your "data base" for your superstitions? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > When it comes to truth, I turn to the bible. That old bronze age pile of myths and ledgends? Baa! You can have the "Guide" with a very real recently dead author which is far more up to date, equally effective and a lot more fun to read. There are radio and TV versions plus a movie if that is your cup of tea! The best part is that it has on its cover, in large friendly letters the words "DON'T PANIC." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> When it comes to truth, I turn to the bible. >That old bronze age pile of myths and ledgends? Baa! There you go - living out your superstitions. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> When it comes to truth, I turn to the bible. > >>That old bronze age pile of myths and ledgends? Baa! > > There you go - living out your superstitions. Hey, it is you with the bronze age myths and ledgends. I have shown you a modern updated book that is better to your nonsense. It is equally effective, but its cover has printed on its surface in large bold friendly letters "DON'T PANIC." > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> When it comes to truth, I turn to the bible. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Hey, it is you with the bronze age myths and ledgends. Now you see, danny boy, that's your superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> When it comes to truth, I turn to the bible. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Now you see, danny boy, that's your superstition. Now that is an interesting post. Please explain . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:24:10 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>Pope Paul VI >>***** Remember......dukie hears voices through his heart. >>>>>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:24:10 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> > Remember......dukie hears voices through his heart. I am waiting for that. . . >> Remember......dukie hears voices through his heart. >I am waiting for that. . . Nah, you never thought to relate to God that way. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Remember......dukie hears voices through his heart. >>I am waiting for that. . . > > Nah, you never thought to relate to God that way. Nor the Great Green Arkleseizure either, but the the Greeat Green Arkleseizure told me in my kidneys that he doesn't really care that much anymore since he got better. Still there is the Great White Handkerchief . . . > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:24:10 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >Remember......dukie hears voices through his heart. Yep, God talks to us through feels of love and compassion, and not brain waves. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:14:55 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Yep, God talks to us through feels of love and compassion, and not brain > waves. How does one argue with dulsions? Hey my cousin's baby girl was born with spinal cancer. I suppose demons caused it and deities cured it with the mere assistance of doctors. What could be simpler? Ain't life grand? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:24:10 -0400, "Dan Listermann" >>>>>><dan@listermann.com> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Yep, God talks to us through feels of love and compassion, and not brain waves. Well that answers it for me. Duke does not possess the ability to show compassion. He is just a bitter old man. If there were a God and he was talking to Duke, they wouldn't be able to communicate. >> Yep, God talks to us through feels of love and compassion, and not brain waves. >Well that answers it for me. Duke does not possess the ability to show >compassion. He is just a bitter old man. If there were a God and he was >talking to Duke, they wouldn't be able to communicate. AND............I talk to God every day. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Yep, God talks to us through feels of love and compassion, and not brain waves. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > AND............I talk to God every day. No, you don't. You hear voices, though - you're deranged. >>>> Yep, God talks to us through feels of love and compassion, and not brain waves. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >No, you don't. You hear voices, though - you're deranged. No, rude, I talk to God in my heart. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:55:40 -0700, Rudy Canoza > <pipes@thedismalscience.noot> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No, rude, I talk to God in my heart. Kidneys work better for comunication with deities. What else do you do when urinating? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:55:40 -0700, Rudy Canoza >> <pipes@thedismalscience.noot> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Kidneys work better for comunication with deities. What else do you do when >urinating? They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can see why your data base is empty. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:55:40 -0700, Rudy Canoza >>> <pipes@thedismalscience.noot> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > why > your data base is empty. Pick an organ, any organ! Show us just a bit of your "data base." I know, you have done this before and we got bananas. Do it again, for me? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> No, rude, I talk to God in my heart. >>>Kidneys work better for comunication with deities. What else do you do >>>when urinating? >> They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can see >> why your data base is empty. >Pick an organ, any organ! I talk to God in my heart. >Show us just a bit of your "data base." I know, you have done this before >and we got bananas. Do it again, for me? Haahaahaahaahaa. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> No, rude, I talk to God in my heart. >>>>Kidneys work better for comunication with deities. What else do you do [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I talk to God in my heart. So you contend. What is so special about the cardiac system? >>Show us just a bit of your "data base." I know, you have done this before >>and we got bananas. Do it again, for me? > > Haahaahaahaahaa. From this, might we assume that you have no "data base?" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> No, rude, I talk to God in my heart. >>>>>Kidneys work better for comunication with deities. What else do you do [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> Pope Paul VI >> ***** duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> No, rude, I talk to God in my heart. >>>>>>Kidneys work better for comunication with deities. What else do you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >>From this, might we assume that you have no "data base?" A non-response response. Very labor saving. . . What is the "data base" for your superstition? >>> duke, American-American >>> ***** [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>Show us just a bit of your "data base." I know, you have done this >>>>>before [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >What is the "data base" for your superstition? You can't handle any more than bananas. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>Show us just a bit of your "data base." I know, you have done this >>>>>>before [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You can't handle any more than bananas. Back to bananas, great! I once heard that a proof for the existance of deities is that evolution has yet explain the design of a dog's anus because of its ability to shut off a turd while not leaving residual fecal matter on the exterior, still retaining the ability to emit enough aroma for other dogs to sniff. Amazing! There, you can add that to your "data base." What else do you have? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>What is the "data base" for your superstition? >> You can't handle any more than bananas. >Back to bananas, great! You still haven't figured it out, have you? >I once heard that a proof for the existance of deities is that evolution has >yet explain the design of a dog's anus because of its ability to shut off a >turd while not leaving residual fecal matter on the exterior, still >retaining the ability to emit enough aroma for other dogs to sniff. >Amazing! I'm not surprised. Hey, you also believe in the great booger. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>What is the "data base" for your superstition? >>> You can't handle any more than bananas. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'm not surprised. Hey, you also believe in the great booger. What is your "data base" for not believing in the "Great Booger?" > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hioley Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>What is the "data base" for your superstition? >>>> You can't handle any more than bananas. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> I'm not surprised. Hey, you also believe in the great booger. >What is your "data base" for not believing in the "Great Booger?" I don't. He's your booger, not mine. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>What is the "data base" for your superstition? >>>>> You can't handle any more than bananas. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I don't. He's your booger, not mine. It seems to me that you need a "data base" to demonstrate the non existance of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Well, where is it? By the way, that "booger" is the Universe itself - it is big, really big. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> I'm not surprised. Hey, you also believe in the great booger. >>>What is your "data base" for not believing in the "Great Booger?" >> I don't. He's your booger, not mine. >It seems to me that you need a "data base" to demonstrate the non existance >of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Well, where is it? There is no evidence for the great booger you believe in. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> I'm not surprised. Hey, you also believe in the great booger. >>>>What is your "data base" for not believing in the "Great Booger?" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > There is no evidence for the great booger you believe in. As explained earlier, that "booger" is the Universe. Do you contend that there is no evidence of the existance of the Universe? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > There is no evidence for the great booger you believe in. There is no evidence for the great god you believe in. >> There is no evidence for the great booger you believe in. >> > There is no evidence for the great god you believe in. Are you forgetting bananas and dog anni? >>>> They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can >>>> see why your data base is empty. >>>Pick an organ, any organ! >> I talk to God in my heart. >So you contend. What is so special about the cardiac system? It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can >>>>>see why your data base is empty. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. Obviously the blood supply to duks brain has run dry. >>>>>> They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can >>>>>> see why your data base is empty. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Obviously the blood supply to duks brain has run dry. >>>>> They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can >>>>> see why your data base is empty. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. Granted, but why pick it for "comunication" with deities? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I can >>>>>> see why your data base is empty. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Granted, but why pick it for "comunication" with deities? It's beyond your grasp. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> They may work better for you. Do you urinate for intelligence? I >>>>>>> can [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It's beyond your grasp. Superstition is frequently beyond my grasp, but I do enjoy discusing the wild nonsense that it consist of. I find superstition amusing! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>So you contend. What is so special about the cardiac system? >>>> It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. >>>Granted, but why pick it for "comunication" with deities? >> It's beyond your grasp. >Superstition is frequently beyond my grasp, but I do enjoy discusing the >wild nonsense that it consist of. I find superstition amusing! Then go find some of your great booger friends to talk with. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>So you contend. What is so special about the cardiac system? >>>>> It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Then go find some of your great booger friends to talk with. You are more than superstitious enough for me to enjoy our little conversations! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>>>So you contend. What is so special about the cardiac system? >>>>>> It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You are more than superstitious enough for me to enjoy our little >conversations! But you have nothing to offer in a discussion with me. I thrive on truth and you thrive on booger stories. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>>>So you contend. What is so special about the cardiac system? >>>>>>> It delivers life sustaining, oxygen-laden blood to the whole body. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and > you thrive on booger stories. You thrive on bronze age myths and ledgends that you choose to call "truth." What a total delusion! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> But you have nothing to offer in a discussion with me. I thrive on truth >> and >> you thrive on booger stories. > >You thrive on bronze age myths and ledgends that you choose to call "truth." >What a total delusion! Your great booger is out to make a fool of you, and it was very successful. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> But you have nothing to offer in a discussion with me. I thrive on >>> truth [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Your great booger is out to make a fool of you, and it was very > successful. Yes, the Universe seems to be successfull,I suppose. You may need to explain how this bears on my foolishness or not. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The MumboJumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** <Snip> .> > Well that answers it for me. Duke does not possess the ability to show > compassion. He is just a bitter old man. If there were a God and he > was talking to Duke, they wouldn't be able to communicate. Do something nice for all of us and killfile "duke" who is not honest enough to use his real name, Earl Weber. He argues for the sake of arguing and never admits being wrong. This is not unusual for his kind but the evil he demonstrated during Katrina brought about a massive plonking by most of us. He's not worth talking to and being ignored is probably the worst punishment that can be imposed ><Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >This is not unusual for his kind but the evil he demonstrated during Katrina >brought about a massive plonking by most of us. Atheists like mikey hated the way I pointed out that not one, not even one, atheist organization came forward to help the victims of Katrina. >He's not worth talking to and being ignored is probably the worst punishment >that can be imposed duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > <Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to use his real name, Earl Weber. > He argues for the sake of arguing and never admits being wrong. ** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong imagine that they can never be wrong. > This is not unusual for his kind but the evil he demonstrated during Katrina > brought about a massive plonking by most of us. > He's not worth talking to and being ignored is probably the worst punishment > that can be imposed SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> <Snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong >imagine that they can never be wrong. My glorious leader is Christ, and he is never wrong. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> <Snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > My glorious leader is Christ, and he is never wrong. By fiat! What is better than that for varasity? You just can't go wrong with fiat. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> <Snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >By fiat! What is better than that for varasity? You just can't go wrong >with fiat. I can't go wrong with Christ. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >>>> <Snip> > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I can't go wrong with Christ. • One can never go wrong by following an infallible leader who says that Galileo was wrong about earth orbiting the sun. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:45:30 -0400, "Dan Listermann" <dan@listermann.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > One can never go wrong by following an infallible leader who says that >Galileo was wrong about earth orbiting the sun. Sorry, still not the issue, which continues over your head. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> <Snip> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I can't go wrong with Christ. By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> <Snip> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? Holy Scripture. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> <Snip> >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Holy Scripture. Right, third hand or greater accounts of ancient myths and legends full of ex post facto ad hoc explaniations. Wanna buy a bridge? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> I can't go wrong with Christ. >>>By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? >> Holy Scripture. >Right, third hand or greater accounts of ancient myths and legends full of >ex post facto ad hoc explaniations. Your superstitions at work. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> I can't go wrong with Christ. >>>>By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Your superstitions at work. Nice attempt to turn things around, but you will really need to try harder next time. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> I can't go wrong with Christ. >>>>>By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Nice attempt to turn things around, but you will really need to try harder >next time. Zoom - right over your head. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> I can't go wrong with Christ. >>>>>>By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Zoom - right over your head. Again, try harder next time! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>>> I can't go wrong with Christ. >>>>>By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Nice attempt to turn things around, but you will really need to try harder >next time. I don't have to do anything. I have truths, and you are trying to sell your superstitions. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>>>> I can't go wrong with Christ. >>>>>>By simply declaring it so? No "data base" to back it up, right? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > your > superstitions. You have bronze age myths and ledgends you call "truths" by fiat. You won't impress many with that load. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** > >> <Snip> > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > My glorious leader is Christ, and he is never wrong. • His teachings are somewhat different that the one true church's. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong >> >imagine that they can never be wrong. >> My glorious leader is Christ, and he is never wrong. > His teachings are somewhat different that the one true church's. Well, why not offer something tangible so we can discuss. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong > >> >imagine that they can never be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, why not offer something tangible so we can discuss. • RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man taught that we are forgiven as we forgive those who sin against us, and that we are not forgiven if we don't forgive a.sholes. The one true church teaches that only their holy men are authorized to forgive. - fin SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> > His teachings are somewhat different that the one true church's. >> Well, why not offer something tangible so we can discuss. > RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man taught >that we are forgiven as we forgive those who sin against us, and that we >are not forgiven if we don't forgive a.sholes. Uh, no - that's not it. He said don't look to our forgiveness if we don't in turn forgive others. There's a world of difference there. > The one true church >teaches that only their holy men are authorized to forgive. That's sin. John 20:22-23. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >• His teachings are somewhat different that the one true church's. > >> Well, why not offer something tangible so we can discuss. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Uh, no - that's not it. He said don't look to our forgiveness if we don't in > turn forgive others. There's a world of difference there. • "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your heavenly Father forgive you." - - - Matt.: 5:14 - 15. > > The one true church > >teaches that only their holy men are authorized to forgive. > > That's sin. John 20:22-23. • I don't believe it. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> > RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man taught >> >that we are forgiven as we forgive those who sin against us, and that we >> >are not forgiven if we don't forgive a.sholes. >> Uh, no - that's not it. He said don't look to our forgiveness if we don't in >> turn forgive others. There's a world of difference there. > "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will >also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither >will your heavenly Father forgive you." >- - - Matt.: 5:14 - 15. How about Acts 2:38, rl. Are you saying God did mean this part. Acts 2:38 (New International Version) 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. >> > The one true church >> >teaches that only their holy men are authorized to forgive. >> That's sin. John 20:22-23. > I don't believe it. I'm sure. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > > >> >• RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man taught [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I'm sure. • Correction: John 20:23 agrees with Matt.: 5:14 - 15, so I pretty much believe both. However, I do not believe that water washes away sin. SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> > RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man taught [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Correction: John 20:23 agrees with Matt.: 5:14 - 15, so I pretty much >believe both. However, I do not believe that water washes away sin. Water doesn't wash away sin by itself. Baptism, an act of being born again, is a duel act of laving the head with water while reciting the words "I baptize thee (name) in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen Baptism is an agreement via an outward act to be buried with Christ to sin in the hopes that we too might rise to the Father with him. Jesus taught us this. He even went so far as to say that one cannot enter the kingdom of God without being born again. John 3:5. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> > >> >> >• RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man taught > >> >> >that we are forgiven as we forgive those who sin against us, and that we > >> >> >are not forgiven if we don't forgive a.sholes. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > a duel act of laving the head with water while reciting the words "I baptize > thee (name) in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen • So it's got to be the Elizabethan English like Jesus spake or it's Straight to Hell. - end > Baptism is an agreement via an outward act to be buried with Christ to sin in > the hopes that we too might rise to the Father with him. Jesus taught us this. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Pope Paul VI > ***** SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >> >> > RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >Straight to Hell. >- end "thee or you or this child or name, etc". >> Baptism is an agreement via an outward act to be buried with Christ to sin in >> the hopes that we too might rise to the Father with him. Jesus taught >us this. >> He even went so far as to say that one cannot enter the kingdom of God without >> being born again. John 3:5. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> > >> >> >> >• RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > "thee or you or this child or name, etc". • the horse is out of the barn SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> > the horse is out of the barn The horse preferred oranges. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >• RE: forgiveness: The rabbi who called himself the Son of man [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >• "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will > >> >> >> >also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither > >> >> >> >will your heavenly Father forgive you." [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> >• Correction: John 20:23 agrees with Matt.: 5:14 - 15, so I pretty much > >> >> >believe both. However, I do not believe that water washes away sin. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The horse preferred oranges. • ___ SignatureR.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org >>> >>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Through duke, well shall all be bored again. >>>> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> >Through duke, well shall all be bored again. It's permissive without the apostrophe. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** Satan has a hard-on and I'm sitting in his lap. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Water doesn't wash away sin by itself. Baptism, an act of being born >>> again, is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> without >>> being born again. John 3:5. Meaningless drivel. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> Water doesn't wash away sin by itself. Baptism, an act of being born >>>> again, is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Meaningless drivel. Zoom - right over the vacant lot you call a brain. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> Water doesn't wash away sin by itself. Baptism, an act of being born >>>>> again, is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Zoom - right over the vacant lot you call a brain. Again, I agree. I spend very little time trying to find meaning from drivel. There is more than enough stimulation to be found in reality to waste effort on nonsense. > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >> Zoom - right over the vacant lot you call a brain. >Again, I agree. I spend very little time trying to find meaning from >drivel. There is more than enough stimulation to be found in reality to >waste effort on nonsense. There you go - your superstitions at work. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>> Zoom - right over the vacant lot you call a brain. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There you go - your superstitions at work. That distraction isn't going to work either. Try again! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>> Zoom - right over the vacant lot you call a brain. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There you go - your superstitions at work. That distraction is not going to work either. Try again! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>> >** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong >>> >imagine that they can never be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, why not offer something tangible so we can discuss. LOL! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>> >** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong >>>> >imagine that they can never be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >LOL! That may be tangible to you, but not to me. Do you have anything at all to offer? duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>> >** Those who belong to a church whose glorious leader is never wrong >>>>> >imagine that they can never be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to > offer? Not beyond expressions of my amusment. LOL! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >Not beyond expressions of my amusment. There you go - amused by your superstitions. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>Not beyond expressions of my amusment. > > There you go - amused by your superstitions. Third time is a charm! BZZZZ! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>Not beyond expressions of my amusment. > > There you go - amused by your superstitions. A superstition is the irrational abject of mind from ignorance, trust in magic, or God resulting from superstition. According to Webster's collegiate dictionary. Duke has it backwards again. What a nut-job. >>>Not beyond expressions of my amusment. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >magic, or God resulting from superstition. According to Webster's >collegiate dictionary. Duke has it backwards again. What a nut-job. listerman is void of original thought and lives on superstition. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>>>Not beyond expressions of my amusment. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > listerman is void of original thought and lives on superstition. According to Webster, you are the one living on superstition. >>>>>Not beyond expressions of my amusment. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> listerman is void of original thought and lives on superstition. > According to Webster, you are the one living on superstition. One man's revealed ultimate truth is another man's gut busting belly laugh of a superstition. >One man's revealed ultimate truth is another man's gut busting belly laugh >of a superstition. Even your great booger is laughing at you. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** >>One man's revealed ultimate truth is another man's gut busting belly laugh >>of a superstition. > > Even your great booger is laughing at you. The Universe? > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>Not beyond expressions of my amusment. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > listerman is void of original thought and lives on superstition. LOL! Thank you, thank you very much! > duke, American-American > ***** > "The Mumbo Jumbo Hokey Pokey is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > ***** >>>>The truth of God comes from God. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Before or after you take your meds and have a stroll in the gardens ? Dookie likes to talk to himself. He even answers himself. It's a type of verbal masturbation. > >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that not one atheist > >> >> organization came forward and offered assistance to the victims of Katrina. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Not one atheist organization came forward and publicly offered to help the > victims of katrina. I just corrected you on this one. I named group, and amount. Perhaps you were simply ignorant before. Now you're lying. > > >> >And you have repeatedly clammed up when challenged to show [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Such claims were made right here on this ng. Go find them yourself. I looked. Extensively. No such things were said. You lie yet one more time. But here's your chance. Prove me wrong. Quote the posts in question. Humiliate me publicly. Google is your friend. Put your counter-exmaples here, liar: > > >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that not one atheist > > >> >> organization came forward and offered assistance to the victims of Katrina. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Put your counter-exmaples here, liar: It goes down to dismal sickening depths............ - he thinks it is OK to lie for his non existent god, - and it don't come more immature than that <snip> >> But here's your chance. Prove me wrong. Quote the posts >> in question. Humiliate me publicly. Google is your friend. >> >> Put your counter-exmaples here, liar: Here's a partial list, mostly from Budikka, I believe, What you're from him is is impotence at its most raw. The choicest thing he ever posted was in alt.atheism on January 5th, 2004, at 5:46 pm when he said, "I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but I've never heard myself think." (http://tinyurl.com/f48bq). <snip> The best "evidence" of a god he was ever capable of producing is these five items he fisrt posted (to my knowledge) in thread "Scientists find new face on back of Turin shroud" in a.a. on April 18 2004, 9:52 am: http://tinyurl.com/c6hkg. For someone who is so ready (and so unchristian) to libel others with baseless accusations of plagiarism (http://tinyurl.com/fklw8), it's as hilarious as it is ironic that he appears to have appropriated "his" five evidences from Thomas Aquinas who, c1245, published "Summa theologiae" which contained five "Ways" to "prove" some god's existence, all of which have been thoroughly discredited. He admitted his "own" five ways were nothing but blind belief in alt atheism in a thread called "The Inquisition" message posted on Saturday, 12 June, 2004 11:52am: http://tinyurl.com/bc5ud but that was all he could do after the massive pounding he got. I used those same five items in a spoof edition of my "Why There is no God" series (http://tinyurl.com/bz54w). I changed a word here and there and all of his five "evidences" miraculously became evidence for the non-existence of a god! Naturally I didn't count them in the total of six hundred (at the last count) since they were so pathetic. His comments are not designed to enlighten, help, or exchange anything, but to abuse people. He's the very antithesis of this purported Christian love he's supposed to dispense. He never documents or supports a single thing he says, whereas the cowardice and lies of this pathetic hypocrite for Christ have been fully documented on Usenet. His despicable behavior and his slanderous unfounded charges (he thinks turning the other cheek means mooning someone) are why he was mass-plonked by pretty near the entire regular set on a.a.: http://tinyurl.com/9gycg His cowardice in "debate" or even discussion is legendary: 1. http://tinyurl.com/ac2vg 2. http://tinyurl.com/4dyok 3. http://tinyurl.com/664yu 4. http://tinyurl.com/apenc He claims he can run rings around anyone on scripture, but when he was actually taken up directly on this claim: http://tinyurl.com/3z47u he ran away! He has well over a dozen documented lies: http://tinyurl.com/5zlzx http://tinyurl.com/ablwm He regularly demands people open discussions on his god, and when they do, he runs away. I personally had him run from the same topic well over 100 times in direct response to a challenge he initiated! He dismally failed the simplest intelligence test imaginable: http://tinyurl.com/7zm43 He has fifty questions he can't answer or daren't answer honestly here: http://tinyurl.com/ad89u and fifty more here: http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y In short, he's a complete waste of skin, and not worthy of a response such as yours. Budikka Hmm... I wonder if this bit of information is something his CURRENT priest might want to have? ========================= "Secondly, I never lied to my priest." - Earl ==== >> >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that >> >> >> not one atheist organization came forward and offered assistance [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Perhaps you were simply ignorant before. Now you're lying. Only now? SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "When your doctrine forces you to claim that God's reactions are identical to those of a universe without God, you have nothing left to defend." - Free Lunch >>> >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that >>> >> >> not one atheist organization came forward and offered assistance [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Only now? Well, each person gives him the benefit of the doubt at least once, but Duke makes certain that everyone knows that he is an intentionally ignorant liar. >>>>>>>>Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that >>>>>>>>not one atheist organization came forward and offered assistance [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Duke makes certain that everyone knows that he is an intentionally > ignorant liar. I have known people like him. They make up so many lye's that they start to believe in them. >> >> >> Yeah, you atheists went ballistic when I pointed out to you that not one atheist >> >> >> organization came forward and offered assistance to the victims of Katrina. >> >> >And of course you ignored it when I pointed out that Paul Kurz' SHARE >> >> >raised $50000 for the victims of Katrina. >> >> Never heard of him. >> >Duke, the world is composed largely of things you've never >> >heard of. >> Not one atheist organization came forward and publicly offered to help the >> victims of katrina. >I just corrected you on this one. I named group, and amount. And it's first exposure is 3 years later than katrina. >Perhaps you were simply ignorant before. Now you're lying. I never lie on the ng. >> >> >And you have repeatedly clammed up when challenged to show >> >> >posts where anyone int this groups claimed that either organization >> >> >was an "atheist organization". >> >> Old hat. Use the famous google that you atheist wannabe's love to call up. >> >Your claim, you back it up. >> Such claims were made right here on this ng. Go find them yourself. >I looked. Extensively. No such things were said. You never looked. >You lie yet one more time. >But here's your chance. Prove me wrong. Quote the posts >in question. Humiliate me publicly. Google is your friend. I'm not your lap dog. Go look for yourself. Facts are facts. You can do it. duke, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI ***** |
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