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The Muffin Man - 24 Sep 2003 17:44 GMT
I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this to keep their
mini warm and dry while you work on it ;)  ?

Has anyone got a concrete garage that comes in sections?  Do they cost about
a grand to a grand and a half?  How does planning permission work for these
(in the UK)?  Is there a cheaper or better way of doing it for the same cash
bearing in mind that I am no brickie?

Thanks for your help with a Mini Related but not spanners related question
;)

The Muffin Man
Dave Skirrow - 24 Sep 2003 18:24 GMT
> I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
> build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this to keep their
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> The Muffin Man

I have just had a new garage built by Compton. It's made of concrete
sections bolted together on a concrete base. Mine is a pent roof with
standard pebble dash walls, 12' x 18' and cost just over 2 grand, ?600 of
which was for the base. You can pay a lot more if you want an apex roof or
any fancy extras. I went for the cheapest design in the larest size I could
afford. The pebble dash does look ugly but I've put trellis up it and got
some climing plants going and it looks quite nice now. So far it's kept
everything nice and dry, but then again we have only had a couple of days of
heavy rain. I don't think it'll let any in though.You normally don't need
planning permission but it depends on where and how big your garage is. The
guy who measures it up will be able to advise you if you need planning
permission. It took 2 of them a morning to erect mine. They go up in no
time.

The cheaper option is to keep an eye out in Loot as many people give
concrete garages away or sell them for a couple of hundred quid. Usually you
will have to dismantle it yourself (they are just bolted together) and
transport it back home. Looking at how mine is constructed, I reckon if you
are diy minded and have the help of a mate you should be able to take it
down and put it up yourself, you will still have to lay a base or have one
laid though. Also, there is a company called Storemore who make metal
garages which are 10' wide and in various lengths, I don't think they need a
concrete base, they will go on flags so it would probably work out cheaper
but they didn't seem as good to me.

My advice would be get the biggest you can afford. Already I'm wishing I had
a couple of extra feet in both directions. Remember to budget for electrics,
a bench, shelves and so on too if you don't already have them. My only
complaint is that compton won't allow you to drill the concrete panels or it
invalidates your 10 year guarantee. I can't see it causing any problems but
knowing my look I would drill one and the whole thing would collaspe so I've
been using "No More Nails" and the like, also the bolts they use to bolt it
together give you loads of places to hang stuff on.

Compton seem like the cheapest place I could find. If you are thinking of
buying one I can "recommend" you and they will send you a brochure, (and
they will give me some free M&S vouchers!)

Dave
The Muffin Man - 24 Sep 2003 23:27 GMT
Thanks a lot, you have been most helpful.  I will bear that in mind if I
decide to go down that route so you get the vouchers.

My base needs erecting because it needs to be 3' off the ground (so the car
can get to it off the road ;)  It is half built (complete but only half the
required size) so I need some bricks and a brickie and some time digging.

Cheers

The Muffin Man

> > I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
> > build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this to keep their
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> Dave
Steve - 25 Sep 2003 16:11 GMT
> Thanks a lot, you have been most helpful.  I will bear that in mind if I
> decide to go down that route so you get the vouchers.
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The only down side I have found with concrete garages is that they can cause
condensation. Make sure you have it well ventilated.

When we built one for my mother, there was a limit to the size we could
build without planning permission. So best check this with your local
planning authority before choosing the size.

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The Muffin Man - 25 Sep 2003 18:58 GMT
> The only down side I have found with concrete garages is that they can cause
> condensation. Make sure you have it well ventilated.
>
> When we built one for my mother, there was a limit to the size we could
> build without planning permission. So best check this with your local
> planning authority before choosing the size.

Thanks for the advice.

The Muffin Man
The Muffin Man - 25 Sep 2003 19:12 GMT
> The only down side I have found with concrete garages is that they can cause
> condensation. Make sure you have it well ventilated.
>
> When we built one for my mother, there was a limit to the size we could
> build without planning permission. So best check this with your local
> planning authority before choosing the size.

Just checked and you are allowed up to 4m high and 30m squared.  I don't see
it being more than 2 mini's long and three minis wide ;)

The Muffin Man
Dantiri - 24 Sep 2003 18:41 GMT
> I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
> build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this to keep their
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> The Muffin Man

They uset to sell them at Argos, but prefabricated not concrete. If you want
to go real cheap you can go for a gazebo style garage, which is basically a
large tent but keeps your mini pretty comfortable in any kind of weather
condition.

Dantiri
The Muffin Man - 24 Sep 2003 23:25 GMT
> > I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
> > build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this to keep their
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> Dantiri

I am really after something to work on the car and the bike in.  Thanks for
the advice

The Muffin Man
fraggy - 24 Sep 2003 22:15 GMT
hi muff

The cheapest way is to dismantle an unwanted concrete garage , usually if
someone want to get rid of one they say give it away free to the person who
takes it apart, look in the free papers or put an add in yourself.
I built a garage for my mini, I put a concrete pad in then built a wooden
garage that cost me about ?800 -?900 just for that.
If you build from wood as long as it isn't more than 3meters tall you wont
need planning permission as it is classed as a temporary structure. Ask the
local council before you build as they make you apply for planning
permission if it is already built and someone complains.
This happened to me but as I had investigated the law first I told the
council to piss off.. I knew I was in the right.

fragged

> I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
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> The Muffin Man
Graham - 25 Sep 2003 15:00 GMT
> I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap
> way to build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this
> to keep their mini warm and dry while you work on it ;)  ?

I've jsut finished building a 12 metre x 7 metre shed for some friends.

> Has anyone got a concrete garage that comes in sections?

I've never seen such a thing here! Cheap garages here are steel framed
and steel clad. Maybe it's the different climate, maybe different
building material costs? The shed is 12m x 7m x 3m high at the doors,
with 3 roller doors and an interal wall and was about Au$7500 - about
UKP3000 - and the rest of the site preparation, concreting, permits, etc
took the whole project to about $12k - UKP5k. Smaller sheds/garages are
much cheaper since they are not as tall, nor do they have 7 metres clear
span requiring large rafters.

> Is there a cheaper or better way of doing it for the same cash
> bearing in mind that I am no brickie?

I'd be curious whether anyone sells steel shed/garage kits there?

Here's a website for typical Aussie garages. This company is in Darwen,
but there are many like them all over Australia.

http://www.theshedfactory.com.au/garage.html
Fitzy - 26 Sep 2003 19:54 GMT
Hi Muff,
My mate and me have just finished a quick build shed come garage on the side
of his house ,, its 8m long  4m wide  3m high, at a cost of  ?600-00,
we used concrete fence posts and concrete panels as the walls
some second hand industrial roofing sheets, on a timber frame,
second hand 3m, up and over garage door,
damp proofed the ground with some sort of polythene sheeting
and flagged the whole area,
finished the back and front off with timber frames and white plastic facia
board, put in some strip lights and that took 2 people 4 weekends, from
start to finish,
email me if you want some photo's , it might give you some ideas,

Fitzy
Makka - 27 Sep 2003 18:17 GMT
muffy the shed that graham is talking about are excellent
as long as you dont drive it on them salted pommie rd's :)
makka
> Hi Muff,
> My mate and me have just finished a quick build shed come garage on the side
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> Fitzy
tim_lis - 27 Sep 2003 22:25 GMT
ahh so Two Sheds Jackson is Back........

now all we need to do is wait for
Tarliquininfimsimbimoleolefingtangfingtangbisquitbarrell, and we shall have
a most joyuos reunion...with Mr Throatwarblermangroves and Mr Luxuryyatch

Oh my brain hurts.....its all that time spent as a lad as a Bridge support
in Peckham.......

Tim

I know off topic....but I just had flash backs to some highly memorable
Monty Python Sketches.......so Bring on the Comfy Chair

> I know it isn't technically the car but I am looking for a cheap way to
> build a garage.  Has anyone got any experience of doing this to keep their
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> The Muffin Man
Makka - 28 Sep 2003 14:27 GMT
hey ppl yup i'm back been busy playing interstate truck driver
from sydney to melbourne and also to brisvegas (brisbane)
and now i have decided as i had no life doing that i am haveing a change of
jobs and going to play local driver so i can clean up my yard concreat my
garadge floor and then rebuild two mini's yay
makka
> ahh so Two Sheds Jackson is Back........
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> > The Muffin Man
Makka - 28 Sep 2003 14:28 GMT
and have even less of a life
makka
> ahh so Two Sheds Jackson is Back........
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Chris Jones - 28 Sep 2003 22:33 GMT
> ahh so Two Sheds Jackson is Back........
>
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> I know off topic....but I just had flash backs to some highly
> memorable Monty Python Sketches.......so Bring on the Comfy Chair

Don't forget their good friend Tim Phillips-BONG!

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