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Car Forum / MINI / November 2003Tax Hike
Looks like it maybe even more beneficial to own a Mini, UK government may increase the cost of taxing cars with large emissions. They could scrap the 1500cc cut off between bands and an individual car, make or model could be banded by its emissions. Say for example a Mini chucks out so much muck, they will tax the Mini at say ?120 pa, whereas a Focus or a Astra with 1600cc chucks out more muck they could tax it at ?160? I think that bigger motors polute the world more than Mini cars at a greater rate than anyone gives credit, reduce our tax and increase theirs! Jono -- Barspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://www.barspeed.co.uk/ Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Classic Cars - http://www.geocities.com/barspeed3 If you have received this email in error please click below. http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.php3 > Looks like it maybe even more beneficial to own a Mini, UK government may > increase the cost of taxing cars with large emissions. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jono They need to tax according to the crap that an engine spits out, and the fuel it uses - rather than the size of it (the engine) In fact i'm in favour of scrapping road tax completely and having it levvied on fuel - The more miles you do - the more you pay, plus you wouldnt have to take all your cars - only the miles you do in them... TTFN, Dave Over here in Oz they do both. Something like 33% or more on fuel. Few hundred(depending on your state) and whatever the insurace Co. decides to hit you for compusery insurance. I hope that you are not suggesting that the Mini with it's aged engineering is anything but a gross polluter. -- Team EuroMeko ------------------------------ http://iBuyMinis.Us > Looks like it maybe even more beneficial to own a Mini, UK government may > increase the cost of taxing cars with large emissions. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If you have received this email in error please click below. > http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.php3 > Looks like it maybe even more beneficial to own a Mini, UK government may > increase the cost of taxing cars with large emissions. > They could scrap the 1500cc cut off between bands and an individual car, > make or model could be banded by its emissions. You do realise that a Mini is a very "dirty" car? > I think that bigger motors polute the world more than Mini cars at a greater > rate than anyone gives credit, reduce our tax and increase theirs! I *know* that Minis pollute the world more than most cars, and such a scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. I imagine that a Mini must polute the world far more than a 5litre Jeep Cherokee? What about a 3litre Audi? Or better still a Hummer.... The tax will probably only apply to new cars anyway or at least the last years since Cats were fitted, therefore a Mini probably is about as polutive as a Ford Fiesta or GM Corsa, so will probably be taxed in the same band... Jono -- Barspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://www.barspeed.co.uk/ Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Classic Cars - http://www.geocities.com/barspeed3 If you have received this email in error please click below. http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.php3 > > Looks like it maybe even more beneficial to own a Mini, UK government may > > increase the cost of taxing cars with large emissions. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I *know* that Minis pollute the world more than most cars, and such a > scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. > > > Looks like it maybe even more beneficial to own a Mini, UK government > > > may increase the cost of taxing cars with large emissions. > > > They could scrap the 1500cc cut off between bands and an individual car, > > > make or model could be banded by its emissions. > > You do realise that a Mini is a very "dirty" car? > > > I think that bigger motors polute the world more than Mini cars at a > > > greater rate than anyone gives credit, reduce our tax and increase theirs! > > I *know* that Minis pollute the world more than most cars, and such a > > scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. > I imagine that a Mini must polute the world far more than a 5litre Jeep > Cherokee? Almost certainly. > What about a 3litre Audi? Or better still a Hummer.... Yes, worse than those too. The A series engine is inherently very difficult to clean up. Modern cars are orders of magnitude cleaner than carburetor Minis. > The tax will probably only apply to new cars anyway or at least the last > years since Cats were fitted, therefore a Mini probably is about as polutive > as a Ford Fiesta or GM Corsa, so will probably be taxed in the same band... It's not about size. The problem is not the amount of fuel consumed or the weight dragged around. The fundamental problem is that the Mini motor is filthy. The basic design has shortcomings which were built into it more than 60 years ago and cannot possibly compete with modern engines for emissions efficiency. Please don't let your enthusiasm for the car cloud over the reality that it is not the perfect car. the engine was getting old when it first went into the minis in `59, every year when i took my bayb for her MOT the one thing she would ALWAYS have probs with would be the crap that came out the back end. And Rocky was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: > the engine was getting old when it first went into the minis in `59, every > year when i took my bayb for her MOT the one thing she would ALWAYS have > probs with would be the crap that came out the back end. In terms of HC CO NOx etc. the A Series is pretty dirty, but if you consider CO2 emissions it isn't too bad. CO2 emissions are just about directly proportional to the amount of fuel consumed, and vehicles like Jeep Cherokees, Hummers etc. consume much more fuel per mile travelled.  Signature(-AD-) <uniqueid 'at' lineone.net> http://website.lineone.net/~uniqueid/ "I will squash your broccoli L1EK BUG!" - Phil Thanks AD, Thats partly what I have been trying to get across, When driving 400 miles to Scotland I used ?30 of fuel in my very late model 1275 Mini Se7en, with twin point fuel injection and singing and dancing CAT at an average 70mph When I drove my Daihatsu Truck the same distance I used ?60 of fuel with a 1598cc fuel injected and CAT`d engine also at an average 70mph. Now, apart from aerodynamics and stuff, the Mini is small and curvy and the truck was a brick, the amount of fuel used and muck out of the back of the exhaust is very differant from each other. In the Mini I used less fuel, and therefore must emitted far less muck! In the truck I used twice as much fuel, therefore must have emitted loads more muck! I cannot beleive that a Mini travelling at 70mph down the road emits just as much muck as a 5litre Jeep, when the fuel consumption of the Jeep is twice or three times more than the Mini. Besides, if the Mini is as dirty as some think, how has ongoing modification ensured that a Mini made in 1970 chucks out more muck than my 2001 model? It is the CAT, the redesign of the engine and development of the fuel and ignition systems that has meant that upto now, the Mini has been as clean as its direct rivals or stable mates, such as the Fiesta or Corsa. Jono -- Barspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://www.barspeed.co.uk/ Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Classic Cars - http://www.geocities.com/barspeed3 If you have received this email in error please click below. http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.php3 > And Rocky was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was > kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://website.lineone.net/~uniqueid/ > "I will squash your broccoli L1EK BUG!" - Phil Ah I see anti-SUV. It's not about the size mate. A Mini still pollutes far more than a Hummer. -- Team EuroMeko ------------------------------ http://iBuyMinis.Us > I imagine that a Mini must polute the world far more than a 5litre Jeep > Cherokee? What about a 3litre Audi? Or better still a Hummer.... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > I *know* that Minis pollute the world more than most cars, and such a > > scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. Of course, this whole thread is slightly wasted since the tax is only on new cars. Older cars cannot possibly be taxed on emissions. How could they define the emissions? Old cars will still be taxed on engine size. SignatureRgds Steve steve@dsnclassics.co.uk www.dsnclassics.co.uk What do you mean anti SUV, I had one for a few years. There is no way on this earth a hummer polutes less than my 1275 Mpi Cat, if this was the case, how could so many classic mini`s be trundeling the streets of California? The Mini`s must be set up to meet these tight regs and therefore cannot pollute anymore than a large engined car. As i said before, a 1275cc car using so much fuel over so much time over so much distance will use far less than a car of the same age meeting the same regs but with a 5000cc engine, wether it was a SUV, a sports car or a motorhome. Its just a matter of simple logic, my car uses less fuel over a 100miles, so emits less muck and has some fuel left. A 3500cc sporty number over a 100miles will emit more and have no fuel left, because a large sportscar of 3500cc will be heavier and so would require more fuel usage. I cant be the only one that see`s it this way? Jono -- Barspeed Mini`s - Devoted to the Classic Mini "Persisto Transverbero Adversum" Email - barspeed@hotmail.com The Rover Mini Se7en Register - http://www.geocities.com/minise7en2001/ Barspeed Mini`s - http://www.barspeed.co.uk/ Barspeed Mini`s Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barspeed Barspeed Classic Cars - http://www.geocities.com/barspeed3 If you have received this email in error please click below. http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.php3 > Ah I see anti-SUV. It's not about the size mate. A Mini still pollutes far > more than a Hummer. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > I *know* that Minis pollute the world more than most cars, and such a > > > scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. I nearly wrote this myself a week ago but didn't want to get into an argument about efficiency. You could burn a gallon of fuel every metre in a very efficient way but it still will produce a lot more crap than a car burning a gallon of fuel every 50 miles. One thing that isn't taken into consideration is that the "get a new efficient car" lobby aren't thinking about the production of that car and the environmental damage that THAT entails!! The Muffin Man > What do you mean anti SUV, I had one for a few years. > There is no way on this earth a hummer polutes less than my 1275 Mpi Cat, if [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > > > I *know* that Minis pollute the world more than most cars, and such a > > > > scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. I've always maintained that by restoring or maintaing an older car like mt Mini's I am infact being more of a conservationist that most folk in their new cars....my favourite, and I'm all you have all seen it is the save the whales or similar sticker on the back of some greenies old rusty MK2 Cortina or simialr as it belches and farts down the road....these guys have never heard of a basic tune up I guess > I nearly wrote this myself a week ago but didn't want to get into an > argument about efficiency. You could burn a gallon of fuel every metre in a [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > a > > > > > scheme is likely to dramatically increase your tax. > One thing that isn't taken into consideration is that the "get a new > efficient car" lobby aren't thinking about the production of that car and > the environmental damage that THAT entails!! > > The Muffin Man I heard a couple of interesting statistics about this. If you take a relatively modern well maintained diesel people carrier it would take 10 years of average use to generate the same pollution as it took to build it. And, with all the hype about cars causing problems with the ozone layer, if you filled this people carrier with 7 people, the occupants emit more carbon dioxide (major contributor to the greenhouse effect) than the vehicle! I don't know how accurate these are, but they are mildly amusing anyway! SignatureRgds Steve steve@dsnclassics.co.uk www.dsnclassics.co.uk just 1 cow in a paddock produces more green house gas in 1 year than probably about 100 cars....which is why our govt has just proposed a tax on farmers for every head of stock they have....called by the yokels "The Fart Tax" > > One thing that isn't taken into consideration is that the "get a new > > efficient car" lobby aren't thinking about the production of that car and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I don't know how accurate these are, but they are mildly amusing anyway! Do you get a reduction in tax if you harness the energy?!! Now that conjures up an image! To expand the human breath point. If we all stopped breathing we would save the planet. Even if stopping the exhalation of carbon-dioxide wasn't enough, when the human race dies, the planet would probably happily trundle along without us! SignatureRgds Steve steve@dsnclassics.co.uk www.dsnclassics.co.uk > just 1 cow in a paddock produces more green house gas in 1 year than > probably about 100 cars....which is why our govt has just proposed a tax on > farmers for every head of stock they have....called by the yokels "The Fart > Tax" |
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