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Shaun - 29 Oct 2003 18:56 GMT
My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how well
do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?

My first and last car was a Mini, but I've since relocated to Northern
Michigan. I want another Mini as soon as soon as cashflow allows (I'm
british, afterall), but I'm painfully aware that winter here is a little
more severe (I saw -36F once last winter, and rarely above 0F for most of
jan/feb).

I don't intend on plowing through snowdrifts with one, but I'd like to
dispell my parents' "get a sensible car" if I could ..

Thanks for your time,
 Shaun.
The Muffin Man - 29 Oct 2003 19:38 GMT
If you make it start reliably then they are excellent.  The problem is the
coughing and spluttering if you don't keep the water out of the distributor.

Rocky does warn that you can beach a mini in deep snow and have all four
wheels off the ground.

The Muffin Man

> My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how well
> do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?
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> Thanks for your time,
>   Shaun.
Ray - 29 Oct 2003 22:57 GMT
> My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how well
> do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?

I used my 1989 998cc special on a dialy bases for about 3 years. It never
gave problems in wintertime, just have the water-shield in front of the
ignition, good high voltage leads, good rotor and distributorcap, and make
sure the battery is in good condition. I had a Metro electronic ignition
fitted for the last 1.5 years but the point ignition never gave problems
(just got tired of changing points).

I have even used my 1380cc mini for a few weeks in wintertime. A-block with
non-electronic ignition, but it always started no problem.

I currently drive a 2000 Mpi mini, lets see how its does the coming season.
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David Betts - 30 Oct 2003 08:43 GMT
>My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how well
>do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?

Exceptionally well. All the engine and gearbox weight acts directly on
the front wheels, so plenty of traction. The back of a Mini goes where
the front goes and can be helped around with the handbrake. What more
could you ask for? How do you think they won the Monte Carlo Rally?

Regards, David Betts
davidb@minilist.org
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rickety - 30 Oct 2003 14:54 GMT
> My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how
> well do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for your time,
>   Shaun.

I used to completely cover behind the grill on my mini (even in the UK). I'm
extremely out of date(!) but assuming it is one with a wheel well radiator,
you can cover the grill (realistically in summer too) and this can help keep
slush away from the distributor.

The very cold airflow over the block can keep an engine much cooler than it
needs to be.

I used to have a piece of linoleum (black side forwards) clipped onto the
grill with a few tie wires.

Does anyone do this still or is global warming too effective?

--
Rickety
Graham - 30 Oct 2003 17:13 GMT
> I used to completely cover behind the grill on my mini (even in the UK).

On most Minis, with the side radiator, in cold weather, there is
sufficient airflow up from underneath the motor and box. Obviously with
a front mount radiator there will be no cooling whatsoever.

> ...assuming it is one with a wheel well radiator, you can cover the grill
> (realistically in summer too)

I beg to differ. The Mini cooling system is marginal enough as it is and
struggles in Australian summer temperatures over 30degC. Beyond 35 to 40
you're better off staying at home (or working back late at the office
where it's airconditioned....).
If you block the entire front grille opening, it is unlikely to cope at
all well in a 25degC UK heatwave.
Kelley Mascher - 30 Oct 2003 19:36 GMT
With sufficient anti-freeze you shouldn't have engine problems. An
electronic ignition conversion is a good idea.

Below zero the suspension cones get pretty stiff so it will be a rough
ride until the suspension movement warms the cones.

Snow tires are available but hard to find. You might have to shop
north of the border. Remember they go on the front.

Your biggest problem will be the amount of salt Michigan puts on the
roads in the winter. Does the law still require that a minimum tonnage
be applied to the roads every winter?

Cheers,

Kelley

>My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how well
>do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Thanks for your time,
>  Shaun.
minichicago - 30 Oct 2003 19:43 GMT
MiniChicago wrote:10/30/03 12:36 PM

The biggest question seems to be how do you protect the car against salt
rather than will it run.  Thinner oil will make it easier to start.  It is
hard to hose down a car at 10 below F.

> With sufficient anti-freeze you shouldn't have engine problems. An
> electronic ignition conversion is a good idea.
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>> Thanks for your time,
>>  Shaun.
Shaun - 31 Oct 2003 14:01 GMT
> With sufficient anti-freeze you shouldn't have engine problems. An
> electronic ignition conversion is a good idea.
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>
> Kelley

Salt I shall have to check with the locals. From the colour of what I was
shovelling last winter, I can easily imagine it's a big problem tho.

Every man and his dog drives a truck here .. finding snow tires for 12"
rims could be fun :o)

Shaun
Chris Jones - 31 Oct 2003 04:36 GMT
I had no problems with my 92 cooper, speshly as I'd had the Mini Sport stage
1 fitted. \o/
The only problem was when I slid into a kerb on snow and bent my wheel.
Boo-urns!!
Then again that was in a British winter where if it's -5C people start
dropping in the street...

Get some chains made up if you can, speshly if you're running on 145s...

Don't bother putting pure antifreeze in your coolant system - after 50-50,
it doesn't get any more effective, and actually gums up your water pump.

If you think you might be buying a new battery, then now's the time to do
it.  Go out and buy one with the highest Cold Cranking Amps that you
possibly can.  This is a meaurement of how many amps the battery can put out
in 15 seconds at zero F without dropping below 7.2 Volts.  Anyway, the
higher the number, the better your starting power in the cold.

Nickety's advice of covering up the grill is a good one.  Actually, about a
year ago I saw some rather fancy grill covers in Mini World, and I can't for
the life of me think who made them...

As for -36F - wassat, about -15C?  Hmmm, maybe go for some higher viscosity
oil so it'll get around the engine quicker in the morning.

Anyone know anything about fitting a block heater to a Mini?  That would
probably help. Or if it's garaged overnight, get a little fan heater and
keep your happy friend cosy toasty warm. :)

Chris

> My curiousity arroused by the recent "Winterising a mini" thread, how
> well do Minis (Classic Minis) handle winter?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for your time,
>   Shaun.
Shaun - 31 Oct 2003 13:52 GMT
> I had no problems with my 92 cooper, speshly as I'd had the Mini Sport stage
> 1 fitted. \o/
> The only problem was when I slid into a kerb on snow and bent my wheel.
> Boo-urns!!
> Then again that was in a British winter where if it's -5C people start
> dropping in the street...

Yup, recognise that .. I'm from south lakes, where we'd be lucky to see 6
inches of snow a year. Here we can easily get 6 feet over a weekend ..

> Get some chains made up if you can, speshly if you're running on 145s...
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> year ago I saw some rather fancy grill covers in Mini World, and I can't for
> the life of me think who made them...

Thanks for the details, I'm taking notes .. Right now my primary concern
is finding the money for a Mini in the first place (I got my last for
£60 off the side of the road - Here I'm seeing nothing but 4-5 figure
numbers!), and making sure I'll beable to use it for more than 6 months a
year.

> As for -36F - wassat, about -15C?  Hmmm, maybe go for some higher
> viscosity oil so it'll get around the engine quicker in the morning.

Closer to -38C :o)
http://www.google.com/search?q=-36+fahrenheit+in+centigrade

Thanks for the info,
 Shaun

> Anyone know anything about fitting a block heater to a Mini?  That would
> probably help. Or if it's garaged overnight, get a little fan heater and
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>> Thanks for your time,
>>   Shaun.
Pat Norton - 02 Nov 2003 15:08 GMT
>Closer to -38C :o)
>http://www.google.com/search?q=-36+fahrenheit+in+centigrade

I see that Google changes the term 'Centigrade' to 'Celsius'.
Shaun - 02 Nov 2003 17:15 GMT
>>Closer to -38C :o)
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=-36+fahrenheit+in+centigrade
>
> I see that Google changes the term 'Centigrade' to 'Celsius'.

 I noticed this also when converting to 'british pints', it'd answer with
'imperial pints'. It is of course, correct .. Centigrade was renamed
somewhere around 1950 to avoid language confusions.  "centigrade" means
"100 steps" .. however "grad" in german and swedish, and "grado" in
spanish and italian, mean degree, not step.  To avoid confusion between
angles and temperatures, we got "degree(s) Celcius", named for Anders
Celsius, who first proposed the scale.
 In practise I can never remember which to use, but it'd seem Google does
- smart cookie.
</OT>

Either way it's far too cold for comfort. Several mornings last winter we
couldn't start the car as they hadn't left the tank topped up.  I don't
recall the exact details, a close-to-empty tank and overly cold
nights didn't turn out to be too healthy a combination.

 Shaun
rickety - 03 Nov 2003 22:16 GMT
>>> Closer to -38C :o)
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=-36+fahrenheit+in+centigrade
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>
>   Shaun

I know that you don't need to convert -40!

--
Rickety
The Muffin Man - 31 Oct 2003 17:56 GMT
> As for -36F - wassat, about -15C?  Hmmm, maybe go for some higher viscosity
> oil so it'll get around the engine quicker in the morning.

Surely you mean lower.  Higher viscosity oil at -15C must be like treacle!!

The Muffin Man
Chris Jones - 02 Nov 2003 02:54 GMT
> Surely you mean lower.  Higher viscosity oil at -15C must be like
> treacle!!
>
> The Muffin Man

Heheh. Of course I did.  Just seeing if you were awake ;)

Chris
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