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Anyone have experience dealing with the Wisconsin Department of Transportation? They have denied me title to my 1970 mini. I am appealing the decision and could use any help I can get. Of course I know that the Federal NHTSA standards are met by the 25 year exclusion clause. Of course they know that too. However they are saying that since the car was not built to USA standards they can consider it an off-hiway vehicle and there by still require it to meet all Federal safety standards for the year in which it was built. Of course only an idiot would take that stand but the DOT in Wisconsin are apparently of that mind set. Of course for 10 years the minis were driven and licensed here as legal on-road vehicles, but I need more than that to win this argument. Any one have some experience. Anyone have a list of the states where 25 year old or more minis built after the 1967 FMVSS act went into place (1968-1977) can be and are legally titled? I know of them in Illinois, Michigan, california, Texas, New York, Florida, Anywhere else???? Help, I don't want to lose my baby. Thanks, Craig Title it in another state. Illinois gives little hassle and I am sure they Nevada or Alabama would even be easier. Then transfer it over. I think there is a Madison mini club. Find them and ask for help. > Anyone have experience dealing with the Wisconsin Department of > Transportation? They have denied me title to my 1970 mini. I am [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks, > Craig The problem isn't that it came from Canada. the problem is that it was not built to USA motor vehicle standards and does not have a sticker from the manufacturer on the drivers door frame to say that it was. Transferring it from another state will not help as it will go back to the same woman in the same department when the non-standard Vin number hits the computer. In fact the woman who I delt with who is the supervisor told me that because my car has triggered the question, she will be searching the data base and RECINDING titles to other vehicles found that match the parameters of mine. Can you imagine getting that letter? The real maddening part is that she is way off base and is in fact breaking state statutes with this interpretation of the law. But as my State Senetor told me- The DOT has a lot of power and has great latitude in their interpretation of the Statutes. It will be an interesting battle in my appeal. > Title it in another state. Illinois gives little hassle and I am sure they > Nevada or Alabama would even be easier. Then transfer it over. I think [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Thanks, > > Craig Can you take it to another office to transfer it over? We have at least 3 offices in the town where I live and some are more strict than others when it comes to getting tags/transferring/renewing. Sometimes I get a super nice person that doesnt mind that I havent renewed the insurance on the car in years and other times I get idiots that wont take my current insurance card that doesnt have the vehicles VIN that I just told her I transferred prior to driving to the DMV. If you have another office I would try going there... even if you have to go 30 miles away or something. Good luck! > The problem isn't that it came from Canada. the problem is that it was not > built to USA motor vehicle standards and does not have a sticker from the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > Thanks, > > > Craig Sounds nuts... and, yes, maybe you should try Illinois and then transfer it. > Anyone have experience dealing with the Wisconsin Department of > Transportation? They have denied me title to my 1970 mini. I am [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks, > Craig > Anyone have experience dealing with the Wisconsin Department of > Transportation? They have denied me title to my 1970 mini. I am [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks, > Craig Craig, I'm currently going through something similar. I'm in Kansas and went for a VIN inspection for the Mini I bought on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2411514317&ssPageN ame=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 I was rejected because of a brand new VIN tag on my 1973 Mini Saloon. They said something was "fishy"! In Kansas I have to go to court to get a "quiet title" for around $800.00. I see the lawyer Tomorrow. The seller refunded me $800.00 to cover my expenses. He is www.classiccore.com A very nice man to deal with. I regret He had to do this, but court is my only option. It sounds like they're messing with you all right. I was under the impression that the 25 year rule was a National law that exempts any car from both the safety, and emissions rules. I'd check the intent of the law if I were you. As an alternative, you could get a title in another state. You probably just got a grumpy person to deal with, like I did with the angry inspector. If your appeal doesn't work, I'd get an attorney, Good luck my friend, David Goostree BanjoBob@wamego.net And David Goostree was sitting next to Elvis in the spaceship, which I thought was kinda strange, but then they turned to me and said: > I was rejected because of a brand new VIN tag on my 1973 Mini Saloon. > They said something was "fishy"! > In Kansas I have to go to court to get a "quiet title" for around $800.00. > I see the lawyer Tomorrow. > The seller refunded me $800.00 to cover my expenses. > He is www.classiccore.com Several of those cars on that site are definitely late models (twin point injection? - and the Mary Quant Designer model was launched in June '88) The only way to get cars like that to pass the US authorities is to give them a new identity - including new VIN plates. It *is* 'fishy', but the dealer (and, I hope, the customer) know the game they're playing.  Signature(-AD-) <uniqueid 'at' lineone.net> http://website.lineone.net/~uniqueid/ Like a fool I mixed 'em, and it scrambled up my mind.. Don't feel too bad about accepting the $800. The car in the ebay ad is at the very least a 1977 model. It's quite likely that it is later than that since it has the 8.4" disc brakes. Reverse lights and tandem circuit brakes were introduced in 1977 in the UK. I would guess that it also has the twin stalk steering column controls. Cheers, Kelley >Craig, >I'm currently going through something similar. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- >Don't feel too bad about accepting the $800. The car in the ebay ad is >at the very least a 1977 model. It's quite likely that it is later [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Kelley 8.4" Disc brakes and 12" wheels came in the UK in 1984 i think but has no brake servo which i know my dads 1989 city does so could be late mid to late 80s Mini >>Craig, >>I'm currently going through something similar. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >>-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > 8.4" Disc brakes and 12" wheels came in the UK in 1984 i think but has > no brake servo which i know my dads 1989 city does so could be late > mid to late 80s Mini Yep, the servo was added in 1988. SignatureRgds Steve steve@dsnclassics.co.uk www.dsnclassics.co.uk |
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